College Athletics Branding - Name Image Likeness Rules

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RDU Irish said:
Pretty sure this is exactly what the founding fathers had in mind for our federal government. No surprise Lindsey Graham is leading the way on this essential expansion of government.
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The founding fathers agreed to the 3/5ths compromise, should we have never changed that?
 
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Irish4life said:
The founding fathers agreed to the 3/5ths compromise, should we have never changed that?
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NCAA is a cabal with government running interference for them. A more apt corollary would be to say we should regulate slavery rather than abolish it.
 
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I saw this snippet from the barstool doofusi about the NIL market resetting this year as the ROI appears to be pretty awful so far, but I haven't seen the article he is referring to, anybody got some scoop?

 
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I wonder how this would apply to FUND which sponsors actual charitable work and isn't purely a shell.
 
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Jiggafini19Deux said:


I'm ready for this.
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lol John Calipari and Kentucky has had the #1 or #2 recruiting class 12 out of the last 13 years.

I guess maybe with NIL he can buy players and get more than the 1 championship he had with the current recruiting domination.
 
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Kentucky BBall players have probably made less with NIL than the guys before them without it.
 
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It’s the way it should be IMO. NIL was supposed to make sure players get compensated (as they should) when a university is making money off of an athlete’s name, image or likeness. No university has made money off of high school seniors. They make money once you’re on the team so you shouldn’t get anything until you’re attending said university.
 
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dad4aa said:
It’s the way it should be IMO. NIL was supposed to make sure players get compensated (as they should) when a university is making money off of an athlete’s name, image or likeness. No university has made money off of high school seniors. They make money once you’re on the team so you shouldn’t get anything until you’re attending said university.
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That might be your opinion, but for most people NIL was meant to allow a player to privately make money off their name/image/likeness the same as any other kid entering college would. I don't know why the University should have the equitable right to make money first.
 
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greyhammer90 said:
That might be your opinion, but for most people NIL was meant to allow a player to privately make money off their name/image/likeness the same as any other kid entering college would. I don't know why the University should have the equitable right to make money first.
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The players are being compensated though, with a scholarship that is not going to be pulled in the first semester under almost any circumstances. You could even guarantee that if it helps. That’s worth more than the vast majority of them will make via NIL.
 
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stlnd01 said:
The players are being compensated though, with a scholarship that is not going to be pulled in the first semester under almost any circumstances. You could even guarantee that if it helps. That’s worth more than the vast majority of them will make via NIL.
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But that completely dodges the question of why the government should outlaw otherwise normal kids from profiting off their likeness. Because the only reason I'm hearing is it because it makes the viewing product better. The University is getting the kid's pledge to play football and attend classes in exchange for the free ride. Trust me when I say the majority of the kids in this system EARN that scholarship money. The kid making money on NIL from outside sources *should have* no effect on that relationship.

The real issue is that the pay for play rules need to actually be enforced and the NCAA (or some other new entity) needs some backing from congress so that they can do their jobs without it being an obvious antitrust issue since the courts are tired of pretending they don't violate current federal law.
 
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greyhammer90 said:
That might be your opinion, but for most people NIL was meant to allow a player to privately make money off their name/image/likeness the same as any other kid entering college would. I don't know why the University should have the equitable right to make money first.
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Who said the university makes money first? Once the university starts making money, part of that should go to the player. I have no idea how a university would make money off a player not enrolled.
 
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IrishLax said:


A rule like this AND no insta-transfer would position ND very well.
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I don't get why it would help ND. Right now most kids can't sign deals when they are in high school, so they have a handshake agreement and sign it once they enroll. This would just put that off for a semester.

I could see it actually hurting ND. The best players might be three and out type guys. If they don't early enroll (which is probably more difficult at ND than our competition), this would take away 1/3 of their seasons from earning anything. It would potentially make the pay for play deals even more important for players for that reason.
 
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A thought I had on how ND could flex it's muscle and start something that I don't think is being done.

Setup the 4 for 40 Fund.

Why
This method of showing the players how investing your money and taking a forward looking approach to their "value". Players overtime will see that the initial gratification of receiving $50K doesn't compete with a $61K (5% ROR over 4 years). Gives players exposure to the financial services industry and give them a taste of what managing your personal finances looks like.

Ownership structure
It would be a private investment fund that would be managed by a group of trusted ND affiliated advisors that the school would sign off on. Each recruiting class would be "gifted" a subscription of units to the fund and be entitled to receive distributions from the fund as they are earned (dividends/interest/CG's). A small portion of the fund would be set aside for ownership by the management entity so that some gains can be channeled back up to maintain the fund.

What happens with transfers
The players will recognize their full subscription value in tranches over the course of their career, each year they will receive 25%/33% depending on degree progression. This incentivizes completing your degree.

Funding structure
Like any PE fund it will be managed by the fund manager. The manager will obtain financing for the recruiting class before the first day of fall classes and then gift in kind it too the fund on behalf of the recruiting class. The total value of the contribution will be evenly split between the players and represent their ACB of their fund ownership.

Example - Total funding received for the 2025 class valued at - ~$50K a recruit, so $1.25M needs to be raised. I'm not sure how attainable that is, but just a random number used. Then, a chunk of money put into the fund to cover trading/audit/professional fee costs contributed by the manager.

Appeal to recruits
You know you're going to get at least your $50K, so will help keep depth pieces in the fold longer and guarantees a minimum for all players. The parents will love it as it gives them at least some security in knowing their kids have someone looking out for their financial interest and be able to view statements showing the fund performance.

Appeal to ND
Not a strict acquisition fee payment, incentivizes getting your degree, can flex it's donor base and gives them a unique offering. Can have alumni volunteer their time or provide insight on investments.


Who knows if this even makes any sense or could actually be done in practice.
 
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TorontoGold said:
A thought I had on how ND could flex it's muscle and start something that I don't think is being done.

Setup the 4 for 40 Fund.

Why
This method of showing the players how investing your money and taking a forward looking approach to their "value". Players overtime will see that the initial gratification of receiving $50K doesn't compete with a $61K (5% ROR over 4 years). Gives players exposure to the financial services industry and give them a taste of what managing your personal finances looks like.

Ownership structure
It would be a private investment fund that would be managed by a group of trusted ND affiliated advisors that the school would sign off on. Each recruiting class would be "gifted" a subscription of units to the fund and be entitled to receive distributions from the fund as they are earned (dividends/interest/CG's). A small portion of the fund would be set aside for ownership by the management entity so that some gains can be channeled back up to maintain the fund.

What happens with transfers
The players will recognize their full subscription value in tranches over the course of their career, each year they will receive 25%/33% depending on degree progression. This incentivizes completing your degree.

Funding structure
Like any PE fund it will be managed by the fund manager. The manager will obtain financing for the recruiting class before the first day of fall classes and then gift in kind it too the fund on behalf of the recruiting class. The total value of the contribution will be evenly split between the players and represent their ACB of their fund ownership.

Example - Total funding received for the 2025 class valued at - ~$50K a recruit, so $1.25M needs to be raised. I'm not sure how attainable that is, but just a random number used. Then, a chunk of money put into the fund to cover trading/audit/professional fee costs contributed by the manager.

Appeal to recruits
You know you're going to get at least your $50K, so will help keep depth pieces in the fold longer and guarantees a minimum for all players. The parents will love it as it gives them at least some security in knowing their kids have someone looking out for their financial interest and be able to view statements showing the fund performance.

Appeal to ND
Not a strict acquisition fee payment, incentivizes getting your degree, can flex it's donor base and gives them a unique offering. Can have alumni volunteer their time or provide insight on investments.


Who knows if this even makes any sense or could actually be done in practice.
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I’m in for $25 donation and a subscription to the Wall Street Bets subreddit. When can you start it?
 
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NDpendent said:
I have a good idea for a NIL Fund at Notre Dame. We arguably have the largest and most spread out fanbase in college sports, anywhere there is a Catholic Church in the US there are ND fans. We also have the most spread out athletes in college football.

We should partner with Catholic Charties and which is in pretty much every diocese in the US and have our players on commercials for their local areas. The athletes would be helping their local community and Notre Dame would be increasing their brand in those areas.

Example, the collective would pay Braylon James 100,000 to run a Catholic charities ad for Austin.
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This is definitely not a terrible idea.

I know a guy that was doing the marketing work for either the Catholic Charities or diocese directly. Gotta pitch him this to get our boys paid!
 
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