College Athletics Branding - Name Image Likeness Rules

[Sea Turtle]

Most schools will lose 10-15 kids a year to the portal. The good schools will be replacing them (at least partially) with upgrades. The issue ND has right now is that the transfer portal is the most transactional space right now for NIL and ND both 1) won’t make lump sum payments to players 2) has more restrictions on who they bring in (especially for undergrad!).

ND has got to figure out a way to get ~5 high impact guys a year at positions of need or they are going to get left behind.

Yep

 

[ColinKSU]

Most schools will lose 10-15 kids a year to the portal. The good schools will be replacing them (at least partially) with upgrades. The issue ND has right now is that the transfer portal is the most transactional space right now for NIL and ND both 1) won’t make lump sum payments to players 2) has more restrictions on who they bring in (especially for undergrad!).

ND has got to figure out a way to get ~5 high impact guys a year at positions of need or they are going to get left behind.

Careful. Common sense posts like this will make some users of this board big mad at you.

 

[irishff1014]

Flamming is currently live talking about maintaining the balance of the culture regarding current players, making sure that the talent we have NOW is made whole before we start making moves on recruits like Fiske etc.

Who is Notre Dame’s accountant, lol? I have a headache.

It’s true though. If you don’t make sure Diggs and Morrison get their money you will lose them. And they deserve the money more than Fiske.

 

[Dale]

I’ve been saying for months talent retention is as important for ND (and others) as talent acquisition. Nobody wants to talk about retention as a positive though, only when it is a possible negative.

 

[MacIrish75]

I’ve been saying for months talent retention is as important for ND (and others) as talent acquisition. Nobody wants to talk about retention as a positive though, only when it is a possible negative.

This is sort of analogous to the teacher shortage. Everyone in statehouses and policy making positions are making all these plans to try and stress people who aren’t teaching to enter the profession. What really has been neglected and (in my opinion) is more important is retention of current teachers.

If you want quality and positive culture, retention is equally as important as acquisition, regardless of the arena.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

I’ve been saying for months talent retention is as important for ND (and others) as talent acquisition. Nobody wants to talk about retention as a positive though, only when it is a possible negative.

Well, a lot of these discussions center on NIL as a whole.

The idea that you need to work to keep a guy like Mayer around for his junior season doesn't exist a non-NIL world; so it isn't really viewed as a positive.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

This is sort of analogous to the teacher shortage. Everyone in statehouses and policy making positions are making all these plans to try and stress people who aren’t teaching to enter the profession. What really has been neglected and (in my opinion) is more important is retention of current teachers.

If you want quality and positive culture, retention is equally as important as acquisition, regardless of the arena.

Anybody who has school age kids and has any clue what is and isnt going on at school now days may argue this point with you.

As it pertains to ND football, 100% agree.

 

[stlnd01]

It’s true though. If you don’t make sure Diggs and Morrison get their money you will lose them. And they deserve the money more than Fiske.

Yep, for all the hand-wringing about Fiske (and my hands wrung some too), if he'd come to Notre Dame he'd be like the 15-20th best/most important player on the team, and a one-year rental at that. Are the 14 to 19 guys ahead of him - most of whom we have far more invested in over multiple years - getting taken care of too?

Also, I think we're seeing how NIL can in fact be a positive when it comes to retention, even compared with the pre-NIL world. Hartman would've probably declared for the draft if not for the ability to earn substantial money in college. I wouldn't be surprised if NIL opportunities made it easier for Foskey to stay and play for Notre Dame this season. Could be a factor in why Hart stays, and hopefully Joseph too.

 

[FWIrish4]

Fortuna brought up ND’s recent partnership with Altius for NIL partnership and compliance at the 42 minute mark of the latest Shamrock pod. This is Oliver Luck’s company and basically aligned with all the big hitters.

He said that they signed a deal together and Notre Dame told them they didn’t want it publicized. ND is the only school to tell Altius this.

This is the smallest of things to help prop their public image of NIL and they think publicly announcing a completely legal and great partnership is a step too far?

What are we even doing then if this is where they draw the line?

Let’s just hope to start with the basics with ND publicly marketing the FUND collective. Pat Fitzgerald and freaking Northwestern are advertising theirs in press conferences.

 

[irishff1014]

 

[dublinirish]

McKernan says law firm spent $750,000 to $1M on LSU football NIL this season

In the new, controversial, and exploding world of NIL, there’s been one businessman that’s clearly been the leader when it comes to LSU football - Gordon McKernan.

www.wafb.com

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[Jiggafini19Deux]

When this blows up, it's going to be some Deandre Johnson or Malik Henry situation where a five star dude gets millions up front and winds up at a JUCO for doing something stupid in a bad moment of being a teenager/early 20s football player. Nobody knows how this is going to play out down the line, which is why every piss down the leg negative comment in every 2024 recruiting profile on this board has become incredibly annoying already. NIL is just another aspect of how these recruits are going to look at schools. Somewhere along the line there is going to be a five star kid whose character and values align with what Marcus Freeman is offering at Notre Dame. We may just have to wait for that day to come, and patience is obviously something this fanbase and a lot of people on this board ran out of a long time ago.

We already got a bit of a taste with Spencer Rattler and OU of what a cautionary tale could look like. He was supposed to be the guy. Got endorsement deals and such at OU. Williams took his spot. Now Rattler is at SCAR and Williams is at SC with Lincoln Riley. I don't really want Notre Dame to go down these rabbit holes and wind up in scenarios like this one. What are the odds Dante Moore finishes his career at UCLA and is drafted in the first round into the NFL? How many of you here realistically think that programs like Oregon, Miami and TAMU are going to knock Alabama, Georgia and Ohio State off their perch? Where does Spencer Rattler fit in after college football? UDFA? Practice squad guy?

I don't know that even the coaches who are making seven and eight figure salaries really know how this is going to go. Will it be easier on Notre Dame? Obviously not. Nothing has been for a very long time. Will ND fade into college football oblivion because they're not paying safeties from Texas $2M up front? Probably not. I want to see it play out a little bit more, but what I can probably safely bet to all of you here is that one of these five star cats is going to blow up in someone's face and wind up at Last Chance U, and it will be one of the usual Power Five suspects that did the deed and made a bad calculation on a guy.

 

[jprue24]

This guy doesn't even play and the money his NIL brought him is having a profound impact on his life

 

[notredomer23]

All-America recruiting confidential: Elite '23 prospects discuss NIL deals, photo shoots, best visits

How much of a factor was NIL in the decision-making process? What advice would these prospects give players in the Class of 2024?

theathletic.com

FREE ARCHIVED VERSION: All-America recruiting confidential: Elite ’23 prospects discuss NIL …

What was the largest amount of NIL money discussed with you by a coach or NIL representative?
Player 1: $400K a year. It was surprising, for sure, playing defensive back.
Player 2: I never had money tossed my way in any conversations.
Player 3: Somebody tried to throw $1 million at me on signing day. Somebody called my parents and coaches. My loyalty to the program I signed with isn’t worth a million dollars. I’ll make that in no time.
Player 4: I don’t want to answer that one. It was more than $1 million.
Player 5: (One) school mentioned $3.2 million over four years.
Player 8: Nobody talked NIL with me or threw money at me.
Player 10: Over seven figures. It wasn’t the coaches. It was a guy who did NIL stuff. The closer I got to the commitment, the more and more things went up.
Player 11: You’re going to look at me like I’m dumb. It was $75,000, a car and my own apartment. But I know you are not getting money if you’re bad. The school introduces you to the people who are going to pay you.
Player 12: Numbers didn’t come up, but (a few schools) talked about what I could get. Schools knew that wasn’t going to attract me, though, so they didn’t talk about it much.
Player 13: The biggest amount of money was $3 million over four years. You want to get paid for your results. It played a factor, but not as big as some people think.
Player 14: There were some big numbers, but nothing specific. It was like between $50K and $75K. With the game nowadays, it’s normal. Those prices can range depending on how much of an impact you make with the program.
Player 15: I didn’t have any numbers float my way. I had a bond with the coach and made my decision based off that.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

 

[jprue24]

 

[zelezo vlk]

What does a general manager do?

 

[jprue24]

What does a general manager do?

Dominate.

 

[Dale]

Generic description there.

 

[MacIrish75]

What does a general manager do?

Depends on whether you’re a Jim Irsay or Jerry Reinsdorf type of GM.

 

[Free Manera]

ND already had an NIL manager before but this is probably an upgrade.

 

[notredomer23]

Keon Keeley and Dante Moore in the mud

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

This guy doesn't even play and the money his NIL brought him is having a profound impact on his life

Yeah, he owns her forever.
I do stuff like this all the time for my family and put them in my back pocket for future use.

 

[dublinirish]

 

[CanadalovesND]

He never slowed down on those Popeyes’ buttermilk biscuits, and now look, he’s likely going to get free food for the next few years.

Dreams never die as long as you don’t quit.

 

[Dale]

Ole Miss collective essentially renewing players for compensation - in effect announcing they are not transferring:

 

[Dale]

Not exactly batting 1.000 yet though lol. Maybe don’t let news break about replacing DC on the same day

 

[T Town Tommy]

Alabama Reaches Unique NIL Deal With Sports Marketing Giant - Sports Illustrated

The 15-year agreement will create a hub for NIL activity inside Bryant Denny Stadium.

www.si.com

Notre Dame needs to find a partner and follow suit.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Since these are real dollar payouts that ultimately get "done", there are enough schools with crazy alumni and greedy administrations to buy whole teams of players every year. If your team does not do this, then some of those teams are going to kick your ass every year. Plus, all such teams will be reloaded every year via High School or Portal purchasing.

I don't see any way to stop this separation of the money-gushers from the rest of college football. The only thing that I can imagine happening (other than some outside agency like a combo of NCAA and most University Presidents making drastic and courageous rules --- which will be challenged in court), would be if prospective players can get the money-gushers into serious bidding wars --- I mean multi-million dollar price tags --- so that even they cannot buy whole teams. This would toss the situation into a rough analogy of the NFL, where ultimately money availability runs short even for them. I also wonder what a Salary Cap on college teams would look like.

Also, this sounds like the "Who the Hell ever needs High School?" scenario. What in the world (other than education laws) would ever stop a huge number of potential pro/college (no difference now) athletes from only being parts of Pro-Prep teams without even the illusion of attending school? It is my out-of-date belief that going to school markedly helps certain people with Life and social-integrating skills and a touch of reality. .... but who the hell cares, I guess. Hey, baby, it's MONEY.

 

[GATTACA!]

Also, this sounds like the "Who the Hell ever needs High School?" scenario. What in the world (other than education laws) would ever stop a huge number of potential pro/college (no difference now) athletes from only being parts of Pro-Prep teams without even the illusion of attending school? It is my out-of-date belief that going to school markedly helps certain people with Life and social-integrating skills and a touch of reality. .... but who the hell cares, I guess. Hey, baby, it's MONEY.

Seems like it's trending that direction. First EEing became way more common, now reclassifying is happening more and more often.