'23 TX S Peyton Bowen (Oklahoma Signee ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)

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You know what's tiresome... Not grasping that 5 stars like Keeley, Moore, Bowen equate to more wins, which brings in more money full stop.
Tell that to aTm. They paid tens of millions for their last few recruiting classes, and just watched most of them transfer out. What’s the ROI on that investment?
4 for 40 is a pro, just not one for a team that competes for titles. How long does an ND grad have to work for 1-2 mil?
Many fewer years than the average grad from Georgia, OSU or Bama.
4 for 40 is your excuse to accept and justify why we don't sign these 5 stars. Or sell them to ND.
Not an excuse. But it’s core to ND’s mission. If you sneer at that, you don’t get NDFB.
That's not my view and don't forget that without ND Football the University wouldn't be anywhere close to where it is today.
ND has self-sanctioned multiple times in its history. Football is crucial to its identity, but you seem to have nothing but contempt for its values.
Academically they don't crack the top 20, but they could be Champions again on the Football program. But go ahead and hide behind that BOT 4 for 40 curtain. I understand Notre Dame just fine. Bunch of Monk Malloys on here don't
USN&WR ranks us 18th currently. Malloy did huge damage to the program, which is why we should all be grateful for Jenkins (at least as far as football is concerned).

You’re talking to a guy with two degrees from ND who purchased a share in an NDFB message board. I want another ‘ship as bad as anyone. But your “4 for 40 is a joke; fuck the BoT; money, money, money” shtick is insulting. You don’t understand ND at all.
 

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Holy fuck, NIL is literally gambling for the ultra elite. There is no "Here's da thing ND makes money, money to kids, money to school, profit", NIL works because the people don't give an F what happens as long as their team wins.

Some O&G overlord from Texas isn't expecting a 1.8 GPA kid to buy into the marketing pitch for whatever shell corp they are paying them out of.

There is no business sense in NIL @arahop
 

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NIL is basically pro sports for people who can't buy a pro sports team. They're trying to buy wins ==> buy happiness.

Big picture: all the horror stories you've heard for decades about how a few asshole boosters run Auburn football and that's why the program is such a bipolar shit show? It's going to be like that but worse at a lot of places.
 

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Haha, fucking Driskell.
MFW when an O’Driscoll shoots his mouth off.

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Kindly stfu.
Bro you said their margin is 12%. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Tell that to aTm. They paid tens of millions for their last few recruiting classes, and just watched most of them transfer out. What’s the ROI on that investment?

Many fewer years than the average grad from Georgia, OSU or Bama.

Not an excuse. But it’s core to ND’s mission. If you sneer at that, you don’t get NDFB.

ND has self-sanctioned multiple times in its history. Football is crucial to its identity, but you seem to have nothing but contempt for its values.

USN&WR ranks us 18th currently. Malloy did huge damage to the program, which is why we should all be grateful for Jenkins (at least as far as football is concerned).

You’re talking to a guy with two degrees from ND who purchased a share in an NDFB message board. I want another ‘ship as bad as anyone. But your “4 for 40 is a joke; fuck the BoT; money, money, money” shtick is insulting. You don’t understand ND at all.
Keep riding that high horse.
BOT Nah Fuck em. They're always behind the times reactive and not progressive.
We have our toes half in the water, just because we aren't at the extreme end of it, doesn't make it any more honorable. It's what the landscape and cost of business is. Congratulations on your 2 degrees and owning some of this site.

It's not amateur sports anymore and hasn't been for a long time But hey, we can always fall back on 4 for 40 and " We don't play "that game" .... But we do just half ass.explain to me how that undermines the mission? Some of those 5 stars would most likely take value from those 2 degrees though. So the Degrees will have plenty of shine.
 

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Not sure the graphics department can handle a deepfake with the GF, Arnold, Dan Lanning, and Jimbo
Basically an old Batman movie poster type thing would be perfect. Bowen is Batman. GF is Harley Quinn. Arnold is Joker. Lanning is Riddler, and Jimbo is, of course, Penguin.
 

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Now consider how annoyed he may be at the person and affiliated team that did that. This is why ISD (and a lot of other professionals) "sit" on rumors versus report them.
Yes.

The reason I asked for confirmation on if Driskell had changed his pick or not earlier was because I had a feeling that when he realized sticking with his pick for ND while everyone else was flipping made him look ridiculous, if his leaking of the NIL was to counter the backlash.

Then by worrying about his own reputation he's likely ensured Bowen doesn't come to ND.

Subscribe to that? Not in a billion.
 
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So let me get this straight

About 1 month ago Driskell warned his viewers that rumors/hate/fake news would be popping up as signing day approaches. He warned them not to fall for it.

Now, Driskell (per Bowen) falsely shares a story about Oregon?

I am shocked that he'd do something so naïve and hypocritical. He needs to listen to his own pod more....
 

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Tbh it “appears” OSU plays by the “same” NIL deals as us and it appears their recruits have bought in to the play and then get paid philosophy. All ND needs to do is win and players will see that. As much as a “success” this season was by saving the down fall. We will always lose to some pay for play recruits, but I have a feeling that these schools are not going to produce and you will be seeing a lot more of what happened to aTm in the near future.
Regardless of what happens, I think a lot of this has to do with like others have said, GF, friends, coaches pulling him to OU. Kid has to follow his heart and do what HE wants to do. Even if we went 12-0 this year still think we are in the exact same scenario as we are in now with Bowen.
 

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So let me get this straight

About 1 month ago Driskell warned his viewers that rumors/hate/fake news would be popping up as signing day approaches. He warned them not to fall for it.

Now, Driskell (per Bowen) falsely shares a story about Oregon?

I am shocked that he'd do something so naïve and hypocritical. He needs to listen to his own pod more....

And for the IB crowd here. This isn’t anything new.
 

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Tbh it “appears” OSU plays by the “same” NIL deals as us and it appears their recruits have bought in to the play and then get paid philosophy. All ND needs to do is win and players will see that. As much as a “success” this season was by saving the down fall. We will always lose to some pay for play recruits, but I have a feeling that these schools are not going to produce and you will be seeing a lot more of what happened to aTm in the near future.
Regardless of what happens, I think a lot of this has to do with like others have said, GF, friends, coaches pulling him to OU. Kid has to follow his heart and do what HE wants to do. Even if we went 12-0 this year still think we are in the exact same scenario as we are in now with Bowen.
Ohio St athletic dept literally said they will need 10-15 mill per year of NIL to be competitive
 

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Ohio St athletic dept literally said they will need 10-15 mill per year of NIL to be competitive
Look at what some of their recruits have said on Twitter. Also from my understanding that is for once they get on campus/ all sports. The university as a whole, like ND can be all about pay once you play. The fans/ alumni can do what ever they want.

FYI just saw Zach smith starting a NIL fund for OSU. Despite their fans annoyance, the university as a whole is pretty good (not ND good, but also not southern school bad). I believe that the university wants to do it the correct way, similar to ND. Now we will see what happens in the future, but that’s the way I’m seeing things now, coming from an Ohio resident.
 

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Tbh it “appears” OSU plays by the “same” NIL deals as us and it appears their recruits have bought in to the play and then get paid philosophy. All ND needs to do is win and players will see that. As much as a “success” this season was by saving the down fall. We will always lose to some pay for play recruits, but I have a feeling that these schools are not going to produce and you will be seeing a lot more of what happened to aTm in the near future.
Regardless of what happens, I think a lot of this has to do with like others have said, GF, friends, coaches pulling him to OU. Kid has to follow his heart and do what HE wants to do. Even if we went 12-0 this year still think we are in the exact same scenario as we are in now with Bowen.
There was an article today about how they bid $500k for a player and that wasn’t enough for them as they got outbid at $800k/year.
 

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There was an article today about how they bid $500k for a player and that wasn’t enough for them as they got outbid at $800k/year.
Whelp stand corrected. Now I’m informed lol. So much for local sports talk radio.
 

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I mean I don't by that the rumors aren't true why have Oregon and Texas A&M even visit for an in home? It's just a slap in the face you don't see any of our other commited guys entertaining other schools.
 

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I mean I don't by that the rumors aren't true why have Oregon and Texas A&M even visit for an in home? It's just a slap in the face you don't see any of our other commited guys entertaining other schools.
Agree. Any school doing an in home visit this close to signing day is a serious contender
 

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Tom says, as of last night..

Freeman was not going to be going in-home


Kid is scared to decommit. Probably that simple in the end. He’s scared to decommit. Scared to have the talk. Look Freeman in the face. All of it. I get it, he’s a kid, but a kid that is about to make a boat load of money, time to make some decisions.
 
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