Brian Kelly to LSU, per report

[Rockin’Irish]

Yep! And Marcus totally fucked up by not getting a transfer!

Brian Kelly got a transfer at LSU and he’s doing really well with him. This is why you hire a very experienced head coach of Notre Dame and don’t take this kind of gamble.

Do you think that of the QB transfers that were available in the offseason, it is possible there wasn’t an academic fit, personality fit, interest and/or an obvious upgrade (or some combination of those factors)? In other words, maybe the stars didn’t align for a good option? Believe me, I would much rather have a better QB starting for ND right now but the staff did say they combed the transfer wire but didn’t find an option that would work. Of course, it’s possible that the staff dropped the ball but we don’t really know that.

 

[Free Manera]

Do you think that of the QB transfers that were available in the offseason, it is possible there wasn’t an academic fit, personality fit, interest and/or an obvious upgrade (or some combination of those factors)? In other words, maybe the stars didn’t align for a good option? Believe me, I would much rather have a better QB starting for ND right now but the staff did say they combed the transfer wire but didn’t find an option that would work. Of course, it’s possible that the staff dropped the ball but we don’t really know that.

That’s not how the reporting at the time made it sound. It seemed like the coaches liked what they had and didn’t want to upset the apple cart. But look at that the cart now, rotten applesauce all over the joint.

 

[Rockin’Irish]

That’s not how the reporting at the time made it sound. It seemed like the coaches liked what they had and didn’t want to upset the apple cart. But look at that the cart now, rotten applesauce all over the joint.

That’s not how I interpreted the reporting in the spring/summer but the end result is that our QB situation now is far from ideal, that’s for sure.

 

[ND88]

At some point, there is no argument to be won. It’s circular, and the only out is to disengage and get off the treadmill.

We were never a top 5 team, but in no measurement should we be this awful. This team has enough to have only lost one game. MF is a good dude, but has a long way to go to being a good coach. He is learning on the job I guess, but we're not improving at all. I hold out hope for MF, but he needs help, and it starts with a legit OC.

I can appreciate this perspective, in part because it does acknowledge that the hiring of Freeman was not just because he is a nice guy and well liked. Please correct me if I’m wrong. I don’t want to speak for you. But I think you have reasonable hope in that our coach is not just a shell of a person, but has demonstrable coaching talent and competitiveness.

Now, how he navigates this transition in totality is what will ultimately determine his legacy at ND, and we know that in spite of some riches inherited, we also know that certain things are not working out, including a seemingly disjointed coaching scenario between headcoach and offensive coordinator. To be a good man in this world is an intense challenge of balancing priorities and goals. I do believe that Freeman wants to be good and do the right thing morally in a situation that involves another young coach who has demonstrated loyalty to the university, the team, and him. Yet, he will have to make some tough choices, one of which will likely be to let go of that person at season’s end.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

You obviously don’t know how exacting and disciplined Barry Switzer is…..Barry Switzer was far from a players coach. And I would hardly count Dabo or Kirby either.

“Do Better”

Dabo is 100 percent a players coach lol.

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

At some point, there is no argument to be won. It’s circular, and the only out is to disengage and get off the treadmill.

I can appreciate this perspective, in part because it does acknowledge that the hiring of Freeman was not just because he is a nice guy and well liked. Please correct me if I’m wrong. I don’t want to speak for you. But I think you have reasonable hope in that our coach is not just a shell of a person, but has demonstrable coaching talent and competitiveness.

Now, how he navigates this transition in totality is what will ultimately determine his legacy at ND, and we know that in spite of some riches inherited, we also know that certain things are not working out, including a seemingly disjointed coaching scenario between headcoach and offensive coordinator. To be a good man in this world is an intense challenge of balancing priorities and goals. I do believe that Freeman wants to be good and do the right thing morally in a situation that involves another young coach who has demonstrated loyalty to the university, the team, and him. Yet, he will have to make some tough choices, one of which will likely be to let go of that person at season’s end.

Yes, I think he has talent as a coach on the defensive side undoubtedly. Right now he seems unsure of himself and it shows. He is a good dude it seems and I truly want him to succeed, but tough choices will need to be made, will he do it? If we finish 6-6 or so he has to make changes. Any big time program would not make changes, we need to ct like a big time program. Not a training ground for learning on the job (Rees). One guy learning on the job is okay, two is way to much.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Do you think that of the QB transfers that were available in the offseason, it is possible there wasn’t an academic fit, personality fit, interest and/or an obvious upgrade (or some combination of those factors)? In other words, maybe the stars didn’t align for a good option? Believe me, I would much rather have a better QB starting for ND right now but the staff did say they combed the transfer wire but didn’t find an option that would work. Of course, it’s possible that the staff dropped the ball but we don’t really know that.

No actually Freeman set an a press conference that he and Ries decided they didn’t want a transfer they thought the quarterback room was good enough. It had nothing to do with outside candidates had everything to do with their incredibly stupid decision not to get a transfer.

 

[ND88]

Yes, I think he has talent as a coach on the defensive side undoubtedly. Right now he seems unsure of himself and it shows. He is a good dude it seems and I truly want him to succeed, but tough choices will need to be made, will he do it? If we finish 6-6 or so he has to make changes.

I agree. He has to regain his confidence and it is going to be at the behest of his own decision making, which will have to toughen up. I think his hiring of Al Golden was a comparatively smart decision, but he will need even greater experience on the offensive side of the ball to achieve incredible things at ND. Right now, he is coaching like he is entirely stuck under Rees’ guidance, which is distracting him from attending to the finer details on the defensive side of the ball. That’s a lot of power for an OC.

 

[Rockin’Irish]

No actually Freeman set an a press conference that he and Ries decided they didn’t want a transfer they thought the quarterback room was good enough. It had nothing to do with outside candidates had everything to do with their incredibly stupid decision not to get a transfer.

it was reported that they specifically talked to Kedon Slovis, not sure why that didn’t go anywhere. They may have made those statements about the QB room to give the group confidence after there was no traction in the portal. Nonetheless, I did ask for your opinion so I appreciate your thoughts.

 

[anarin]

Man, alot of "you are ignoring content by this member" over the last 2 pages.

Hot tip, if you ignore the trolls, the board is fun to read.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

He was NOT a player’s coach.

Switzer was very much like Kelly / exacting, controlling and could be mercurial - that book title is just a book title.

Watch him in 30 for 30 on Marcus Dupree.

Switzer is everything that Marcus is not. Decisive / tough and accountable on his players and also like Kelly he could be aloof and arrogant.

Switzer certainly was tough and accountable on his players:

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[TNUtoNotreDame]

I agree. He has to regain his confidence and it is going to be at the behest of his own decision making, which will have to toughen up. I think his hiring of Al Golden was a comparatively smart decision, but he will need even greater experience on the offensive side of the ball to achieve incredible things at ND. Right now, he is coaching like he is entirely stuck under Rees’ guidance, which is distracting him from attending to the finer details on the defensive side of the ball. That’s a lot of power for an OC.

Yes, Rees has to go I believe for MF to truly succeed. He needs control and the ability to make tough decisions. Rees is an alum, tied to the last staff and his dad works for ND. That makes it very difficult I imagine for MF.

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

Dabo is 100 percent a players coach lol.

Yeah, I live in the shadow of Clemson he is a players coach. He can be tough on them though.

 

[SoIll]

You’re living up to your screen name.

Off the top of my head:

Barry Switzer (the ultimate players’ coach)
Pete Carroll
John Robinson
Mack Brown
Dabo Swinney
Kirby Smart
Mark Richt
Josh Heupel

Kirby

it was reported that they specifically talked to Kedon Slovis, not sure why that didn’t go anywhere. They may have made those statements about the QB room to give the group confidence after there was no traction in the portal. Nonetheless, I did ask for your opinion so I appreciate your thoughts.

JT Daniels**

 

[IRISHDODGER]

You obviously don’t know how exacting and disciplined Barry Switzer is…..Barry Switzer was far from a players coach. And I would hardly count Dabo or Kirby either.

“Do Better”

LOL. Learn your history. Switzer was the ultimate Players Coach. Switzer was dancing on the tables at bars just as much if not more than his players. He’s the “Bootlegger’s Son” for Pete’s sake. Good luck trying to sell the lie that Switzer was some strict disciplinarian…you’ll be far outnumbered by those who disagree. He had as many outlaws as the U and that’s just the ones that made the press b/c he covered up for anything he could. You don’t remember Charles Thompson…their starting QB who got caught dealing coke? He was on the cover of SI being cuffed & stuffed w/ a Duke hat.

 

[yankeehater]

We were a "top five" team that had lost its QB, best RB and best WR, that went 11-1 last year without beating anyone actually good, and then lost its starting quarterback in the second game. Also despite our top five preseason ranking most experts had us going something like 9-3, which should tell you what preseason rankings are worth.

The difference is that BK inherited a team with a fair bit of talent that had underperformed under the prior coach (also Kelly went 8-5 each of his first two seasons), while Freeman inherited a team with some big holes that has probably overperformed the last few years.
That's a credit to Kelly, but also leaves Freeman with some things to figure out.

Really??

They start two true freshmen on the Oline. Their TE is a freshman as is one of their top linebackers. They also crushed it in the transfer portal something ND does not really participate in like the other major programs. Jayden Daniels is obviously a transfer, but so are five DB's coming from the likes of Ohio State, Okla State and Arkansas among others. Kelly and his staff saw needs on the roster and addressed them. Now that the team seems to be turning around, I can see players lining up to play at LSU.

 

[stlnd01]

Really??

They start two true freshmen on the Oline. Their TE is a freshman as is one of their top linebackers. They also crushed it in the transfer portal something ND does not really participate in like the other major programs. Jayden Daniels is obviously a transfer, but so are five DB's coming from the likes of Ohio State, Okla State and Arkansas among others. Kelly and his staff saw needs on the roster and addressed them. Now that the team seems to be turning around, I can see players lining up to play at LSU.

I was referring to Notre Dame’s 2010 team.

 

[notredomer23]

I was referring to Notre Dame’s 2010 team.

Yup, ranking wise, moreso than Freeman especially on the offensive side. The 2010 team’s best classes were juniors and seniors as well. The 2022 team’s best classes are freshman and sophomores. In fact, the 2010 team on the offensive skill side of the ball had 10 players go on to get drafted before their career was done.

Biggest difference is Freeman inherited a winning culture with a lot of systems in place that Kelly either had to change or was crucial in getting implemented. While the 2010 team had a ton of talent, they were soft and knew nothing about winning.

 

[Irish#1]

Stop blaming Freeman for our pre-season ranking. We all know pre-season rankings are bullshit, and that we had lost our QB, our best RB and our leading receiver. Most of us predicted 9-3 or 10-2 - which is not top five, more like #10 - based on an assumption that our new quarterback would be good and not get knocked out for the season in the second game. But now here we are.

Don't you know it's Freeman's fault there wasn't a consensus All American quality QB, RB & WR just sitting on the bench waiting for their turn?

 

[Irish#1]

You’re living up to your screen name.

Off the top of my head:

Barry Switzer (the ultimate players’ coach)
Pete Carroll
John Robinson
Mack Brown
Dabo Swinney
Kirby Smart
Mark Richt
Josh Heupel

You forgot the king, Urban Liar.

 

[Irish#1]

You obviously don’t know how exacting and disciplined Barry Switzer is…..Barry Switzer was far from a players coach. And I would hardly count Dabo or Kirby either.

“Do Better”

You obviously don't realize that you can be tough on your players and still be a players coach.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Man, alot of "you are ignoring content by this member" over the last 2 pages.

Hot tip, if you ignore the trolls, the board is fun to read.

I found the same.

Also found that Brian Kelly has clearly moved on from ND so I have moved on from him.

 

[NDdomer2]

I found the same.

Also found that Brian Kelly has clearly moved on from ND so I have moved on from him.

There's one I can't keep up with the number of user IDs they create/use.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Yeah, I live in the shadow of Clemson he is a players coach. He can be tough on them though.

Dabo will sit his players that aren't doing as expected. Can't say that about this staff, though.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Switzer certainly was tough and accountable on his players:

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Watch The Best That Never Was 30 for 30.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Switzer was a players coach off the field and demanding on the field. They both can be true.

Fun story. On a visit, he once went through the garbage of a prized recruits home and found empty Pearl beer cans. He then rang the door bell and the visit started. The dad shook his hand and said "can I get you beer?'. Switzer smiles and says 'only if it's a Pearl'. Dad beamed and said 'hey, I love this guy!' And of course he sealed the deal that night.

 

[IrishLax]

You obviously don't realize that you can be tough on your players and still be a players coach.

To add on to this: a "player's coach" is someone who emphasizes relationships and player performance as the keys to success. A "system coach" is about having interchangeable parts where the team > individual and they often go out of their way to intentionally strip individuality from players. They also often deemphasize relationship building or look at it as a form of fraternization.

Guys like Saban, Meyer, Belichick are quintessential "system" guys. It's about team oriented processes.

Guys like Dabo, Pete Carroll, Jimmy Johnson are quintessential "player's coaches". It's about player-oriented success driving team success.

A lot of guys fall somewhere in-between those two categories. There have been many "system" guys who have flamed spectacularly (Addazio, Chip Kelly, etc.) because no one has their back when things go south. Same for "player's coaches" like Jimmy Lake, Lane Kiffin (USC edition), etc. who let the "inmates run the asylum" and don't have enough accountability in the program.

Acting like there is one "correct" style that works is crazy and anti-factual. You have to be authentic and then you have to balance hundreds of other variables that lead to either success or failure.

 

[NDIrish1988]

Do you think that of the QB transfers that were available in the offseason, it is possible there wasn’t an academic fit, personality fit, interest and/or an obvious upgrade (or some combination of those factors)? In other words, maybe the stars didn’t align for a good option? Believe me, I would much rather have a better QB starting for ND right now but the staff did say they combed the transfer wire but didn’t find an option that would work. Of course, it’s possible that the staff dropped the ball but we don’t really know that.

Daniels’ teammates at ASU hated him so much they helped pack up his locker after he entered the portal.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Daniels’ teammates at ASU hated him so much they helped pack up his locker after he entered the portal.

Why did they hate him?? He was their QB

 

[Irish#1]

Switzer was a players coach off the field and demanding on the field. They both can be true.

Fun story. On a visit, he once went through the garbage of a prized recruits home and found empty Pearl beer cans. He then rang the door bell and the visit started. The dad shook his hand and said "can I get you beer?'. Switzer smiles and says 'only if it's a Pearl'. Dad beamed and said 'hey, I love this guy!' And of course he sealed the deal that night.

Hard to find these days, but pretty good stuff IMO.