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Amused at the "boos" that come from people when you point out poor coaching is what almost lost this game for us. . . . Lol, some people cannot embrace any differentiation.

It's either bury your head in the sand of the glaring coaching issues or you hate Notre Dame and are a troll. So ridiculous
 

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Nope. It’s not an either/or. Critical discussion is not the issue. This argument about posters thinking Freeman/Rees is the second coming because of being happy about aspects of a performance distracts from the issue at hand. Critical thinking is and should be welcome. Not critical complaining. For example, “pissed at the coaches” is not critical thinking. It’s inflammatory. Differentiate with some thought and the board benefits.
Another inportant piece of this is that there is a huge difference between saying “didnt like that call in such situation, would have liked to see this….or wish the coaches would start using X personnel more, etc rather than the constant “coaches suck, player x sucks” which promotes zero productive conversation.
Those expecting perfection from any players or coaches or coming to trash the team or coaches with a clear agenda, or those who are literally NEVER happy…why watch, and why feel the need to share your misery with the world.
 
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Another inportant piece of this is that there is a huge difference between saying “didnt like that call in such situatiom, would have liked to see this….or wish the coaches would start using X personnel more, etc rather than the constant “coaches suck, player x sucks” which promotes zero productive conversation.
Those expecting perfection from any players or coaches or coming to trash the team or coaches with a clear agenda, or those who are literally NEVER happy…why watch, and why feel the need to share your misery with the world.
Also these are college football players. There are going to be mistakes. If you demand perfection at all times in all aspects of the game, maybe just watch on Sundays. It's boring AF by comparison with the college game, but they all execute very well, or they get fired.
 

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Nope. It’s not an either/or. Critical discussion is not the issue. This argument about posters thinking Freeman/Rees is the second coming because of being happy about aspects of a performance distracts from the issue at hand. Critical thinking is and should be welcome. Not critical complaining. For example, “pissed at the coaches” is not critical thinking. It’s inflammatory. Differentiate with some thought and the board benefits.
I'm sorry, does every post have to be a deep dive into coaching analysis? Are comments such as "pissed at the coaches" not allowed? Should one not be allowed to pissed at the poor coaching without it being a x's and o's detail explanation of why one is pissed at the coaches in later posts?

In my view a comment such as "pissed at the coaches" is acceptable of critical thinking as a high level. If that kind of comment is ALL someone ever posts then I would agree with your assessment of critical complaining. I for one do not engage in ONLY posting high level statements without other detail analysis post of why.
 

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Another inportant piece of this is that there is a huge difference between saying “didnt like that call in such situatiom, would have liked to see this….or wish the coaches would start using X personnel more, etc rather than the constant “coaches suck, player x sucks” which promotes zero productive conversation.
Those expecting perfection from any players or coaches or coming to trash the team or coaches with a clear agenda, or those who are literally NEVER happy…why watch, and why feel the need to share your misery with the world.
Well said. Not every play is going to be a winner. Opposing offenses and defenses are going to succeed at times even if you do make the right call, that's reality. Players will have off games, you don't know what injuries they may be playing through or other factors. If you see a team consistently dropping games they shouldn't or not getting better over the course of a season then it's fair to look at what's going on with the staff or personnel. Got to remember at the college level that you're consistently turning over 1/4 or more of your roster every year between graduation, transfers, the draft, and medical redshirts. Most NFL teams don't go through that much turnover every year unless you're a bottom of the barrel type of team. We also nearly replaced our entire coaching staff in the offseason, a regime change that hasn't happened in 12 years. There were going to be growing pains, especially with some big holes at certain positions. We're getting better though, and the future is bright.
 

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This page sucks,… some of y’all need to be banned
 

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This page sucks,… some of y’all need to be banned
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I miss the simpler times .... like when .... ACamp was still camping.
 

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Hey, are we "others receiving votes" good again yet now?

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Behind both N Carolina and BYU in # of votes. UNC actually 25 in coaches poll.
Guess I need to stop looking at those stupid things
 

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Pyne really did play a great game. I don't recall many, if any, major errors that stood out. The kid is settling in. He made some BIG throws and was going through his reads well.

The commentators (which were often so bad, consistently calling the down and distance wrong), did seem to accurately assess how comfortable Pyne looked. That's good news for the Irish.
 

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Pyne really did play a great game. I don't recall many, if any, major errors that stood out. The kid is settling in. He made some BIG throws and was going through his reads well.

The commentators (which were often so bad, consistently calling the down and distance wrong), did seem to accurately assess how comfortable Pyne looked. That's good news for the Irish.

The tipped-ball-INT was a poor decision. Even had it not been tipped, he was forcing it into double-coverage.

That is suuuuuuuper nit-picking though... I would've been forcing it to Mayer after the first half he had, too.
 

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The tipped-ball-INT was a poor decision. Even had it not been tipped, he was forcing it into double-coverage.

That is suuuuuuuper nit-picking though... I would've been forcing it to Mayer after the first half he had, too.
The third down miss to MM in the second half,… was catchable but could have been a better throw. He is playing pretty well overall
 

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Pyne really did play a great game. I don't recall many, if any, major errors that stood out. The kid is settling in. He made some BIG throws and was going through his reads well.

The commentators (which were often so bad, consistently calling the down and distance wrong), did seem to accurately assess how comfortable Pyne looked. That's good news for the Irish.
He under threw the ball the Thomas we and got for the touch down and he over threw Mayer open in the endzone.

However he was still pretty good. Made a few first down with his legs that were needed.
 

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The tipped-ball-INT was a poor decision. Even had it not been tipped, he was forcing it into double-coverage.

That is suuuuuuuper nit-picking though... I would've been forcing it to Mayer after the first half he had, too.

Staes was WIDE OPEN, but I'm not sure where Staes ranked in the read progression
 

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Yup would have been double coverage. He likely expected the one LB to pass Mayer off and take Staes and he’d just need Mayer to win over the second guy. Unless there is another WR past Mayer that was intended for.
 

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Or he got bit in the butt for picking the dude he's throwing to before the ball was even snapped. It happens.
 

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Or he got bit in the butt for picking the dude he's throwing to before the ball was even snapped. It happens.
I mean to me it seems pretty apparent he locked onto Mayer and saw he had inside leverage and didn’t even acknowledge the presence of the secondary defender.

Ill-advised, sure. But that’s learning and growing.
 

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Pyne really did play a great game. I don't recall many, if any, major errors that stood out. The kid is settling in. He made some BIG throws and was going through his reads well.

The commentators (which were often so bad, consistently calling the down and distance wrong), did seem to accurately assess how comfortable Pyne looked. That's good news for the Irish.
The adlib with the under hand toss to Diggs while about to be crushed told me he's settled in.
 

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Pyne really did play a great game. I don't recall many, if any, major errors that stood out. The kid is settling in. He made some BIG throws and was going through his reads well.

The commentators (which were often so bad, consistently calling the down and distance wrong), did seem to accurately assess how comfortable Pyne looked. That's good news for the Irish.
A few other nit-picky things:

1) Tyree was wide open on a drag for the 2-point conversion that he locked in on Mayer.
2) Idk if it's a read or QB decision, but on the first half stop at the 2-yard line, he could have pulled the dive and passed to a wide-open Salerno who was motioned across to walk it in.
3) Don't know if it was a miscommunication, but he could have hit Diggs on the slant for a wide-open touchdown. But he threw it outside instead either to Mayer or thinking Diggs was going out. Another one on the pre-snap look he should know Diggs was going to be the throw.
4) There was a play early (first drive maybe) where they motioned Tyree and did a dive with Diggs. It's another one where if he sees the defense at pre-snap, and then as he's handing is reading the defense, he should have pulled and thrown to Tyree. No LB followed and it was one blocker on a DB on the outside. Instead of a no-gain on the play. Not sure if it's an RPO or not, but it should have been.
 
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A few other nit-picky things:

1) Tyree was wide open on a drag for the 2-point conversion that he locked in on Mayer.
2) Idk if it's a read or QB decision, but on the first half stop at the 2-yard line, he could have pulled the dive and passed to a wide-open Salerno who was motioned across to walk it in.
3) Don't know if it was a miscommunication, but he could have hit Diggs on the slant for a wide-open touchdown. But he threw it outside instead either to Mayer or thinking Diggs was going out. Another one on the pre-snap look he should know Diggs was going to be the throw.
4) There was a play early (first drive maybe) where they motioned Tyree and did a dive with Diggs. It's another one where if he sees the defense at pre-snap, and then as he's handing is reading the defense, he should have pulled and thrown to Tyree. No LB followed and it was one blocker on a DB on the outside. Instead of a no-gain on the play. Not sure if it's an RPO or not, but it should have been.
At least on number 3, I will give Pyne credit. He hung in there until the last second. I think it was more on Diggs. He did a nice set up move to get open on the angle route. But, he took too long. He should have known pre snap that he was the hot read and either turn his head quicker or scrap the little double move.
 

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Yup would have been double coverage. He likely expected the one LB to pass Mayer off and take Staes and he’d just need Mayer to win over the second guy. Unless there is another WR past Mayer that was intended for.

I think his target was Mayer, but had it not been tipped it looked like Pyne was putting the ball where it needed to go. Mayer was taking a slant route and Pyne was letting it rip fast as soon as Mayer made his cut. The trailing defender wouldn't have had time to react without the tip and would have been out of position anyway after the change in direction, and the other defender would have probably been too deep still at the velocity Drew was throwing it. It was certainly a tight window and you don't want to throw into double coverage like that typically, but Drew was able to hit Mayer a few times in similar coverage the 1st half.
 

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BYU lost to East Carolina tonight. At home.

Yikes. Winning by one score stinks for us.

Skunk in the barnyard, pew wee
Who put it in there, not me

Or

Inka dinka bottle of ink
The cork fell out and we stink
 
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