2020-21 NFL Season

[Some Irish Bloke]

It's still a possibility. He's 37 years old. Brady and Manning both played for second teams. Brees ultimately stayed at the Saints for the remainder of his career.

At his age, that continuity is probably worth more to him that moving on. Stay there and finish it out. I just wonder if someone in the AFC will catch his eye.

Fair, I mean it's not like I'm in his inner circle haha, but the things he says vs. what was said about him don't exactly jive.

But, the Pack are in a very, very bad spot cap-wise. There's going to be a lot of tough decisions with the expiring contracts this year, and there's no way they keep the core of its players in tact. There is a chance that he says enough is enough and wants to hit the reset button, but those words haven't come from the man himself.

I just hope they can find a way to get it done with him for his second ring, but the NFC is such a coinflip IMO. TB, LAR, AZ and GB are all on the same level, and the playoffs are always a crapshoot anyways.

 

[Rogue219]

Fair, I mean it's not like I'm in his inner circle haha, but the things he says vs. what was said about him don't exactly jive.

But, the Pack are in a very, very bad spot cap-wise. There's going to be a lot of tough decisions with the expiring contracts this year, and there's no way they keep the core of its players in tact. There is a chance that he says enough is enough and wants to hit the reset button, but those words haven't come from the man himself.

I just hope they can find a way to get it done with him for his second ring, but the NFC is such a coinflip IMO. TB, LAR, AZ and GB are all on the same level, and the playoffs are always a crapshoot anyways.

Most of these guys and their agents always say "I want to stay here" or "I want to retire here." Of course they're going to say that. You get the fans on your side in the P.R. part of it.

I have always thought he's one of the best ever. I have him right up there with Brady, Manning, Brees, Montana and Young. He played on a Super Bowl winning team (note the wording) earlier in his career and is now known more for his playoff losses than that. The small sample size of games gets you every time now.

If they have home field, they should get to the Super Bowl.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Most of these guys and their agents always say "I want to stay here" or "I want to retire here." Of course they're going to say that. You get the fans on your side in the P.R. part of it.

I have always thought he's one of the best ever. I have him right up there with Brady, Manning, Brees, Montana and Young. He played on a Super Bowl winning team (note the wording) earlier in his career and is now known more for his playoff losses than that. The small sample size of games gets you every time now.

If they have home field, they should get to the Super Bowl.

For obvious reasons I hope you're right but that wasn't enough last year as we witnessed geriatric TB12 win his 14th ring, marching right through Green Bay, WI.

I'm teasing with the TB12 jab, honestly what he's been able to do for this long is unbelievable and I respect the hell out of his game. You will never convince me that that man didn't mortgage his soul 4 times over haha

 

[Rogue219]

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For obvious reasons I hope you're right but that wasn't enough last year as we witnessed geriatric TB12 win his 14th ring, marching right through Green Bay, WI.

I'm teasing with the TB12 jab, honestly what he's been able to do for this long is unbelievable and I respect the hell out of his game. You will never convince me that that man didn't mortgage his soul 4 times over haha

I'm honestly very bored with it all and have to laugh that the League that fears little kids are watching at home while millionaire athletes glare at each other "taunting" is the same one that has partnerships with gambling and alcohol companies. Sure, clutch your pearls and think of the children, because that's not total bullshit we haven't been hearing.

To your point, I think the game needs some new blood at the QB position and for their sake I hope they get it soon. Brady, Rodgers and Big Ben are all still taking their teams to the playoffs year after year. Sooner or later those guys are going to stop playing. That void will need to be filled once they're gone, but like somebody else said earlier in the thread, the games are not fun and mostly unwatchable. I think there are multiple transitions going on at once in the sport at once and it is causing the product to suffer in terms of quality of play and entertainment.

These taunting penalties really turn me off and I don't think it is going to gain them any viewers they feel they may have lost.

 

[irishff1014]

The Lions coach is not very good.

 

[ACamp1900]

That Lions/Bears game was one of the best pro football games I’ve ever seen,……………

 

[Rogue219]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/WillBrinson/status/1470155316948049925[/TWEET]

It gives me so much joy to watch this sociopath suffer, and especially in this instance at the hands of Mike Vrabel.

A few weeks ago there were ND fans that actually considered this asswipe a viable option to replace Brian Kelly. Not only has that ship sailed, it burned and the ashes sunk to the bottom of the ocean. They are now covered in plankton and whale shit.

 

[BrownerandFry]

Who said, "I don't know how to describe porn, but I know it when I see it."? I think that's how you have to handle taunting.

I don't care if 7 or 8 players rush to the other end of the field to pose after an INT or something. If looks stupid as F, but it doesn't effect my viewership.

Interesting that you brought up TNF as I was thinking about the glory days of MNF with Cosell, Dandy Don and Gifford. MNF use to hold America captive back then. Why? Sunday night games weren't happening and they hadn't even thought about Thursday night games back then. The NFL has saturated itself too much at this point. They need to drop TNF.

It was Potter Stewart who talked about obscenity as follows, in Jacobellis versus Ohio:

he most famous opinion from Jacobellis, however, was Justice Potter Stewart's concurrence, stating that the Constitution protected all obscenity except "hard-core pornography". He wrote, "I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that."[SUP][9]

the exact quote is seldom used even by lawyers.

Most commonly you hear something like "it's like Potter Stewart said about "obscenity" "I know it when I see it."

Your point about saturation is incisive, as Monday Night Football began even before ESPN was invented.[/SUP]

 

[Irish#1]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/WillBrinson/status/1470155316948049925[/TWEET]

It gives me so much joy to watch this sociopath suffer, and especially in this instance at the hands of Mike Vrabel.

A few weeks ago there were ND fans that actually considered this asswipe a viable option to replace Brian Kelly. Not only has that ship sailed, it burned and the ashes sunk to the bottom of the ocean. They are now covered in plankton and whale shit.

TBH, it doesn't matter what the dude has done in the past, present or will do in the future. As long as he's breathing, there's always going to be some that want him regardless of the odds. He hasn't finished one season yet and Jax fans are ready to get rid of him.

 

[Rogue219]

TBH, it doesn't matter what the dude has done in the past, present or will do in the future. As long as he's breathing, there's always going to be some that want him regardless of the odds. He hasn't finished one season yet and Jax fans are ready to get rid of him.

I have little to no doubt that there is an administration out there, right now, in college football that would still covet him and offer him a job on the spot.

The red flags are there. You probably have to go back to Utah and Bowling Green to find the last fanbase where he was that doesn't think this guy is a total ass.

 

[ab2cmiller]

With Urban's comments being made public, it sounds like he's trying to get fired and collect his big payday and go back to broadcasting.

 

[Henges24]

Urbs looks miserable coaching on the field. His half-assed fist pumps look slothy.

 

[Rogue219]

It would seem to me his firing is inevitable. I'm not sure how he hasn't been fired already.

The clip of the two WR that ran routes where they ended up colliding is all you need to see.

He's blaming everyone else for the failures and not taking responsibility himself. Sign of a truly bad leader.

 

[ulukinatme]

Kinda crazy how some of these very successful college coaches just don't pan out in the NFL. You'd think they could be even moderately fine. Chip Kelly, Saban, Urban, Jim Harbaugh to a lesser extent since he did make it to a SB...but not before ruffling enough feathers he basically lost the locker room and the owners. Maybe he just walked into the right situation for quick success.

 

[Rogue219]

Kinda crazy how some of these very successful college coaches just don't pan out in the NFL. You'd think they could be even moderately fine. Chip Kelly, Saban, Urban, Jim Harbaugh to a lesser extent since he did make it to a SB...but not before ruffling enough feathers he basically lost the locker room and the owners. Maybe he just walked into the right situation for quick success.

Harbaugh went 44-19-1 in the NFL and went to three straight NFC Championship Games, winning one of them. He won two NFC West Divisions. I don't know that I'd lump him in there with those other guys. His timing was very good by the time he took the Michigan job. They went 8-8 and by then he'd totally worn his welcome. I'm thinking multiple NFL fanbases would welcome him in 2022, though. (Chicago in particular?)

It really isn't a big list overall and certainly lacks anyone recently who has done it other than Poodle and Harbaugh. Jimmy Johnson, Dick Vermeil maybe? Bill Walsh, Tom Coughlin. Switzer is kind of "eh". Don Coryell won games at both levels and was an innovator.

It's fun watching NFL games with the sound on because it's like watching October baseball. Everyone bashes analytics and blames it for every play call that isn't executed.

Keepin' it real. Real dumb.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Kinda crazy how some of these very successful college coaches just don't pan out in the NFL. You'd think they could be even moderately fine. Chip Kelly, Saban, Urban, Jim Harbaugh to a lesser extent since he did make it to a SB...but not before ruffling enough feathers he basically lost the locker room and the owners. Maybe he just walked into the right situation for quick success.

Maybe a key factor is whether they've had any previous NFL experience as an assistant or coordinator (or even as a player). I know we've seen some guys go to the NFL from college and do pretty well, but most who've never experienced the NFL before tend to bomb. It's a very different approach to coaching in many ways. I'm probably biased, but I don't think Saban bombed at Miami. He was about .500 in a rebuilding phase without an NFL caliber QB and was only there two seasons. That's not the 2nd coming of Lombardi, but it's not bombing either.

 

[Rogue219]

The Chicago Bears need to fire their coach, and the fact that they haven't yet is rather alarming. I know NFL teams generally don't do this before end of season with coaches, but at this point does it really make a difference?

Absolutely horrible.

 

[zelezo vlk]

The Chicago Bears need to fire their coach, and the fact that they haven't yet is rather alarming. I know NFL teams generally don't do this before end of season with coaches, but at this point does it really make a difference?

Absolutely horrible.

If Nagy had been fired who would have coached the game? They had multiple coordinators out with COVID I thought

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[Irish#1]

Maybe a key factor is whether they've had any previous NFL experience as an assistant or coordinator (or even as a player). I know we've seen some guys go to the NFL from college and do pretty well, but most who've never experienced the NFL before tend to bomb. It's a very different approach to coaching in many ways. I'm probably biased, but I don't think Saban bombed at Miami. He was about .500 in a rebuilding phase without an NFL caliber QB and was only there two seasons. That's not the 2nd coming of Lombardi, but it's not bombing either.

Yeah, you're biased. lol

He's a "it's my way or the highway" guy and quickly found out you can't be as demanding and controlling with NFL players. To his credit, and unlike Urban Meyer, he quickly realized this and rather than try to force things he made the right decision to move on.

 

[Rogue219]

If Nagy had been fired who would have coached the game? They had multiple coordinators out with COVID I thought

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Anyone but him? He's an idiot.

 

[Irish#1]

Antonio Brown lol.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Antonio Brown lol.

AB is what he is. There are some things you can't change. I don't think many people really expected it to end much differently. It wasn't a matter of if he'd AB, but when. He's likely burned his last bridge in the NFL and will never get another chance.

 

[Rogue219]

AB is what he is. There are some things you can't change. I don't think many people really expected it to end much differently. It wasn't a matter of if he'd AB, but when. He's likely burned his last bridge in the NFL and will never get another chance.

He was never a distraction like that Kaepernick fella.

 

[ulukinatme]

Antonio Brown lol.

There's a dude that just can't get out of his own way. You'd think after all the trouble he had to go through to get reinstated and find a team...then you go and fuck it up again! Some people don't like getting paid millions of dollars I guess.

 

[irishff1014]

There's a dude that just can't get out of his own way. You'd think after all the trouble he had to go through to get reinstated and find a team...then you go and fuck it up again! Some people don't like getting paid millions of dollars I guess.

Some people are stupid and AB is one of them.

 

[Rogue219]

Everything he has ever done was looked past until he decided he didn't want to go back into a game.

Really says a lot.

 

[Rogue219]

Mike Tomlin has never had a losing record and just made the AFC Playoffs with half a corpse at QB1.

If he's not the best coach ever, he's got to be close.

 

[Bishop2b5]

I watched AB on an episode of Undisputed with Sharpe and Bayless from a few years ago when AB was still with the Steelers. Shannon was pretty hard on him, but AB had one implausible excuse after another for bad behavior he was being called out for. It sounded just about exactly like a 13-year-old with a million and one stupid excuses for why they brought home a bad report card or got in trouble at school. Dude's an immature, self-centered moron.

 

[ACamp1900]

AB cares more about his social media and ‘brand’ than football

 

[Wild Bill]

Everything he has ever done was looked past until he decided he didn't want to go back into a game.

Really says a lot.

Thought he was released repeatedly based on behavior but I really don't follow.

My old man used to tell my older brother that he better be exceptional in whatever he does for a living b/c nobody is going to deal with his mouth for less than perfection. He was right, and same applies to this guy.