Dallas Police Shooting

[woolybug25]

Any word on how the suspect got the gun?

This isn't far from me.

Apparently he stole it from one of the bailiffs he killed. Kinda crazy.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

So because some dude makes a threat, anyone who criticizes Mr. Obama is a racist, or hater...or something. I gotta be missing the point here.

The response to my posts has been very interesting. Most members don't give a shit. A few have called me disturbed, (I didn't think there was any question of that!). One ijdiot actually gave me a negative rep! The funny thing was after all that I had to say, (related to what most reacted to and rejected,) he gave me a negative rep for including Johnson with Eisenhower, and Kennedy, showing an era of good presidency!

I didn't claim that LBJ was a great president. Those that are smart and understand my communication know that I was backhanding Reagan, Clinton, and the Bushes. The fact is LBJ had a pretty darned effective domestic presidency. And that puts him ahead of anyone after him on the list, from Nixon, to Carter to Clinton to Bush. Period. Obviously the guy was a megalomaniac. Which was part of the subtle irony I was trying to draw on. So here it is point blank : I feel that anyone that criticizes the Obama presidency is talking splinters, when complaints against his predecessors clearly constituted planks! It wouldn't even be worth mentioning if W weren't a complete numb-nuts, with the most disastrous eight years since Reagan spent us into national insolvency to defeat Darth Vader and the rest of the menacing red hoard.

Back to the subject : Officer Jay Stalien's argument continues my points, in my humble opinion. There are no sides, other than life and death. How we got here doesn't matter. That we survive and live with quality does.

I used to be so torn inside growing up. Here I am, a young African-American born and raised in Brooklyn, NY wanting to be a cop. I watched and lived through the crime that took place in the hood. My own black people killing others over nothing. Crack heads and heroin addicts lined the lobby of my building as I shuffled around them to make my way to our 1 bedroom apartment with 6 of us living inside. I used to be woken up in the middle of the night by the sound of gun fire, only to look outside and see that it was 2 African Americans shooting at each other.

It never sat right with me. I wanted to help my community and stop watching the blood of African Americans spilled on the street at the hands of a fellow black man. I became a cop because black lives in my community, along with ALL lives, mattered to me, and wanted to help stop the bloodshed.

All lives. Not just family, or those with whom he shared incidental common features.

For those of you who keep track, kind of like today's Gospel Matthew 10:34-11:1

Jesus said to his Apostles, “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.

“For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother,
and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one’s foes will be members of one’s own household.

“Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and whoever does not take up the cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Those who find their life will lose it, and those who lose their life for my sake will find it.

“Whoever welcomes you welcomes me, and whoever welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me. Whoever welcomes a prophet in the name of a prophet will receive a prophet’s reward; and whoever welcomes a righteous person in the name of a righteous person will receive the reward of the righteous; and whoever gives even a cup of cold water to one of these little ones in the name of a disciple—truly I tell you, none of these will lose their reward.”

Now when Jesus had finished instructing his twelve disciples, he went on from there to teach and proclaim his message in their cities.

And any who wants to come to town can ride over with me to talk to Dr. Johnson, his findings are much more comprehensive than what was quoted. I would bet anyone $1000 that he would say the way a piece of his findings were quoted had the danger of being able to be taken out of context, and used as a justification for killing black males, (it really isn't as big of a number as it is made to be seen.)

University of Toledo criminologist Dr. Richard R. Johnson examined the latest crime data from the FBI’s Supplementary Homicide Reports and Centers for Disease Control and found that an average of 4,472 black men were killed by other black men annually between Jan. 1, 2009, and Dec. 31, 2012. Professor Johnson’s research further concluded that 112 black men died from both justified and unjustified police-involved killings annually during this same period.

Here is the best I have ever seen it stated. It isn't about sides, who is right or wrong, but about how each of us conducts ourselves. This guy is not only a hero, but wiser than most I have met. He has had the opportunity to take on an unpopular (but highly moral) position to live his life, and had a chance to realize what happens to his friends and support when he violates their prejudices and beliefs, by having the strength and discipline to live his self-discovered true beliefs.

I realized that the very reasons I became a cop, are the very reasons my own people hate me, and now in this toxic hateful racially charged political climate, I am now more likely to die,... and it is still hard for me to understand…. to this day.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Or anybody that saw their health insurance deductibles skyrocket after Obama Care was passed. Had a very, very good health insurance prior to 2010. Our deductible more than tripled since then. Now someone has to lose an arm and a leg before insurance starts helping kick in with the bills. Our family has only met the deductible one year, and that was the year we had a baby /w a NICU stay AND a back surgery. We've had two babies since 2010, and one was diagnosed Autistic and attends therapies/doctor appointments now. That's a lot of damn bills that insurance doesn't lend any help with anymore.

But hey, Obama supporters will tell you Obama Care did not cause health insurance rates to change. I guess deductibles were always jumping by hundreds of dollars like that. Someone once said: “If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's free.”

Truth be told, 12 years of Republican Administration, and the Government was insolvent, and we were poised on the brink; eight years of a despicable Democratic President, the government was again solvent. Eight more years of Republican Presidency and the government was again insolvent and the economy was such a hot mess there was almost no way to prop it up, and improve the position of individual citizens. So I guess it is right that Obama be criticized and blamed for your increase in insurance premiums. Mine haven't. Nor have most of my family and friends. I say most because I don't know anyone who is worse off, insurance, or otherwise. Not really.

For those who are biting a horrible insurance premium increase :
1) Take a look at what you would have, insurance or otherwise if the Bush administration and their policies had been allowed to continue.

a) They were so bad, and it was so clear that Cheney, Bush & Co., hitched their skirts and abandoned their own policies and philosophies behind them over a half-year before their administration was mercifully put to rest with the 2008 election.
b) Changes to the emergency actions taken by the outgoing Bushes were modified and the policies of the new Obama administration were credited for averting the same kind of economic depression our country suffered in the 1930's.
c) A cornerstone of what Obama achieved among these was the saving of Detroit, which was seen as such a success that one serious political contender for a 2016 Presidential nomination, lost all momentum on the basis of his opposition to this plan, when eight years later he was the superior over-all candidate to his parties nominee who did support the plan!​

2) Wait until the plan has a chance to come to balance, check out cost savings of waste, fraud, and monopolistic practices.
3) Remember by looking what the predictions for the plan were before it's implementation.
4) Have a little Christian Charity - With where the economy and foreign affairs were headed. Economic failure, war, ridicule on the world stage, etc., be a little thankful.

For those that want to misconstrue what I am saying I will boil it down : George W. Bush was a far worse president than LBJ. He may have been a worse president that Nixon, with the exception of the fact he was able to remain in office until the end of his term. So was there a worse president than George W Bush? Maybe Warren G Harding. Maybe.

So after eight years on that shit farm, I think it is pretty transparent complaining about Obama's shortcomings; the fact that he couldn't get OBL in less than three years(!); the fact that inflation is low, as is unemployment, the price of gas, the cost of a mortgage. He clearly blew all the successes left to him by previous administrations!

 

[connor_in]

The response to my posts has been very interesting. Most members don't give a shit. A few have called me disturbed, (I didn't think there was any question of that!). One ijdiot actually gave me a negative rep! The funny thing was after all that I had to say, (related to what most reacted to and rejected,) he gave me a negative rep for including Johnson with Eisenhower, and Kennedy, showing an era of good presidency!

I didn't claim that LBJ was a great president. Those that are smart and understand my communication know that I was backhanding Reagan, Clinton, and the Bushes. The fact is LBJ had a pretty darned effective domestic presidency. And that puts him ahead of anyone after him on the list, from Nixon, to Carter to Clinton to Bush. Period. Obviously the guy was a megalomaniac. Which was part of the subtle irony I was trying to draw on. So here it is point blank : I feel that anyone that criticizes the Obama presidency is talking splinters, when complaints against his predecessors clearly constituted planks! It wouldn't even be worth mentioning if W weren't a complete numb-nuts, with the most disastrous eight years since Reagan spent us into national insolvency to defeat Darth Vader and the rest of the menacing red hoard.

Back to the subject : Officer Jay Stalien's argument continues my points, in my humble opinion. There are no sides, other than life and death. How we got here doesn't matter. That we survive and live with quality does.



All lives. Not just family, or those with whom he shared incidental common features.

For those of you who keep track, kind of like today's Gospel Matthew 10:34-11:1



And any who wants to come to town can ride over with me to talk to Dr. Johnson, his findings are much more comprehensive than what was quoted. I would bet anyone $1000 that he would say the way a piece of his findings were quoted had the danger of being able to be taken out of context, and used as a justification for killing black males, (it really isn't as big of a number as it is made to be seen.)



Here is the best I have ever seen it stated. It isn't about sides, who is right or wrong, but about how each of us conducts ourselves. This guy is not only a hero, but wiser than most I have met. He has had the opportunity to take on an unpopular (but highly moral) position to live his life, and had a chance to realize what happens to his friends and support when he violates their prejudices and beliefs, by having the strength and discipline to live his self-discovered true beliefs.

Quick question...soooooooo you are saying your feelings = fact ?

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

I tend to prefer to want to keep the money i work hard for as opposed to handing it all over to fund government programs and handouts. Ive had a hard time explaining to my kid that he worked hard and studied his ass off and got an awesome grade in class, but unfortunately he had to share that grade with the lazy kid next to him who didnt study or work hard for it...and so now instead of him getting an A and the other kid getting an F, they both share a C and he is selfish and doesnt care about others because he is not happy sharing his grade he worked his butt off to get. I guess we're a republican family.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

Oh and we own a successful small business so are responsible for our own health insurance. We pay $1700 a month which does NOT include dental, with a deductible of another $6k. Do the math, we pay $26,400 out of pocket before insurance picks up a thing and even then it pays 80%. It was less than half that a month before Obama care...yea he's a great president if your a minority or destitute. The rest of us have been railed for 8 years.

 

[Rizzophil]

MLK,Jr: "I have a dream.....one day live in a nation... not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

 

[NDdomer2]

Minneapolis police leave security posts at Minnesota Lynx game over protest shirts

Thoughts?

 

[woolybug25]

Hey dickheads. Take the Obamacare talk to another thread.

Fack

 

[Legacy]

There's a Heathcare thread.

 

[phgreek]

Apparently he stole it from one of the bailiffs he killed. Kinda crazy.

seems like a jail break by all accounts...not that the loss of life is any better, but good hell, I thought we were looking at motivations other than escaping custody...

can't absorb too many more potentially racially charged shootings...

 

[Irish#1]

Minneapolis police leave security posts at Minnesota Lynx game over protest shirts

Thoughts?

No intent to speak about the slain officers, tells me their focus is too narrow.

 

[NDdomer2]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/browns-irate-after-unacceptable-isaiah-crowell-instagram-pic-124940631.html

 

[NDgradstudent]

The NYT editorial board is appalled by Rudy Guiliani pointing out that blacks commit violent crimes at a much higher rate than whites. I wonder when the members of the editorial board will disclose the demography of their zip codes and of their children's schools, so we can see how "diverse" their worlds are?

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Quick question...soooooooo you are saying your feelings = fact ?

No.

I am saying these are my feelings about a fairly incontrovertible set of facts.

 

[NDdomer2]

Minneapolis police leave security posts at Minnesota Lynx game over protest shirts

Thoughts?

Lynx players not wearing 'Black Lives' shirts in Texas

 

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

I tend to prefer to want to keep the money i work hard for as opposed to handing it all over to fund government programs and handouts. Ive had a hard time explaining to my kid that he worked hard and studied his ass off and got an awesome grade in class, but unfortunately he had to share that grade with the lazy kid next to him who didnt study or work hard for it...and so now instead of him getting an A and the other kid getting an F, they both share a C and he is selfish and doesnt care about others because he is not happy sharing his grade he worked his butt off to get. I guess we're a republican family.

Are you over exaggerating? I know of like the bell curve, like top score is 90% so teacher will add 10% to ev1. Is his teacher literally averaging out scores. Is this county wide tactic for you? Just 1 teacher? Can't possibly be legit, that would kill school and teacher ratings would it not?

 

[Bishop2b5]

Manhunt, Arrests in Alleged Plot to Kill Baton Rouge Cops

And now we've got this crazy crap. May get a lot worse before it gets better.

 

[BGIF]

Minneapolis police leave security posts at Minnesota Lynx game over protest shirts

Thoughts?

The headline should have been honest and note "Off-Duty" Minneapolis Police Leave Security Posts. As I understand the situation this was a private hire between the Minnesota Lynx and those individuals NOT between the Lynx and City of Minneapolis PD.

The Lynx players exercised their right to free speech as they saw it and the security personnel exercised their right to free speech as they saw it.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

Are you over exaggerating? I know of like the bell curve, like top score is 90% so teacher will add 10% to ev1. Is his teacher literally averaging out scores. Is this county wide tactic for you? Just 1 teacher? Can't possibly be legit, that would kill school and teacher ratings would it not?

Haha took me too literal my man. Just meant I'm having a hard time explaining to my kid the concept of all these government programs where far too many (although not all) people just leach off the system and take handouts paid for by those who work hard for what they have.

 

[GoIrish41]

Brilliant tribute!

President Obama's entire Dallas police memorial speech - CNN Video

 

[NDdomer2]

The headline should have been honest and note "Off-Duty" Minneapolis Police Leave Security Posts. As I understand the situation this was a private hire between the Minnesota Lynx and those individuals NOT between the Lynx and City of Minneapolis PD.

The Lynx players exercised their right to free speech as they saw it and the security personnel exercised their right to free speech as they saw it.

As pointed out in the follow up article, they are "off duty" but still in uniform and expected to withhold standards given to that uniform.

I can understand disagreeing with the shirts, and their request to no longer do the games. But....I don't agree with leaving thousands of innocent citizens at a higher risk by walking away from your duties.

Just my opinion.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

I think in some ways thats the point...if youre going to disrespect those who protect you, or support those who comdemn and disrespect those who protect you then they just wont protect you anymore...as it should be. Why should officers put themselves out there to protect people who dont appreciate or value what they do for them. Its about time people start earning it in this country with hard work, values, respect and making good choices. You should feel entitled to police protection no matter what kind of poor decisions deliberately make just because you were born and exist.

 

[NDdomer2]

I think in some ways thats the point...if youre going to disrespect those who protect you, or support those who comdemn and disrespect those who protect you then they just wont protect you anymore...as it should be. Why should officers put themselves out there to protect people who dont appreciate or value what they do for them. Its about time people start earning it in this country with hard work, values, respect and making good choices. You should feel entitled to police protection no matter what kind of poor decisions deliberately make just because you were born and exist.

Not saying I disagree in concept, however, there are alot of people that attended that game that didn't wear those shirts and deserved those officer's protection.

How would you had felt if you needed an officer or your child needed an officer at that game but didn't get service because they walked out?

 

[phgreek]

Not saying I disagree in concept, however, there are alot of people that attended that game that didn't wear those shirts and deserved those officer's protection.

How would you had felt if you needed an officer or your child needed an officer at that game but didn't get service because they walked out?

pissed at those whose politics drove the cops out of a basketball arena...

Play basketball and STFU. I for one don't pay to see ball players make political statements...I pay to watch them play the damned game.

Wanna make a statement...do that on your own time through social media, public service announcement...whatever. I think its stupid to make a statement that potentially sets half the crowd in a pissed off mood...don't care which half. And it borders reckless doing shit to piss the cops off...just dumb as hell.

 

[Irish#1]

This idiot tried to kill a police officer at his home. Shot up his house while his wife and child were sleeping.

Man threatened to kill Indy officers' families, police say

 

[ulukinatme]

Brilliant tribute!

President Obama's entire Dallas police memorial speech - CNN Video

Sure started out a nice tribute, but brilliant is hardly what I'd call it. He should have focused on Dallas, but he got away from that in the middle of the speech.

BREAKING: Obama HIJACKS Dallas memorial with sick message... - Allen B. West - AllenBWest.com

After former President George W. Bush delivered elegant, heartfelt commentary and words of sympathy for the five Dallas police officers brutally assassinated last week at a memorial in Dallas today, it was our current Dear Leader’s turn.

He spent the first few moments describing each of the victims, providing details about their lives and their families.

And then he pivoted.

Not surprisingly, President Obama used this “bully pulpit” to return to his favorite themes of racism, discrimination and police brutality.

At one point, it really felt as though he was justifying the Dallas attack.

“If we are to honor these five outstanding officers, then we will have to act on the truths that we know… we’re going to have to be honest with each other and ourselves…

We…know that centuries of racial discrimination and slavery and subjugation and Jim Crow, they didn’t simply vanish at the end of lawful segregation. They didn’t just stop when Dr. King made a speech…"

But America, we know that bias remains. WE know it. Whether you are black or white or… we have all seen this bigotry in our own lives at some point… if we’re honest, perhaps we’ve heard prejudice in our own heads… we know that. And while some suffer far more under racism’s burden, some feel to a far greater extent discrimination…none of us is entirely innocent. No institution is entirely immune. And that includes our police departments. We know this."

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Notable lack of applause from police behind Obama after remarks re: race relations w/ law enforcement <a href="https://t.co/S9nyl8zlyy">pic.twitter.com/S9nyl8zlyy</a></p>— Brian Ries (@moneyries) <a href="https://twitter.com/moneyries/status/752944132746870784">July 12, 2016</a></blockquote>
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“Study after study shows that whites and people of color experience the criminal justice system differently… when moms and dads… still fear that something terrible may happen when their child walks out the door… kids being stupid.. .might end in tragedy… more than 50 years after the passage of the civil rights act, we cannot simply dismiss those engaged in peaceful protests as troublemakers, or paranoid. As a symptom of political correctness, or reverse racism."

“To have your experience denied like that… again and again and again, it hurts. Surely we can see that. All of us."

So we’re ALL guilty for the deaths of those policemen in Texas. All of us. We might as well have pulled the trigger. Because we’re all racists.

And then – remember he was speaking in Dallas, at a memorial for five slain officers in Dallas — Obama actually eulogized the two men shot last week in Minnesota and Louisiana, Philando Castile and Alton Sterling, saying , “Even those who dislike the phrase Black Lives Matter should be able to relate to stories about Alton Sterling, who always cooked enough for everyone, or Philando Castile, a gentle soul, “Mr. Rogers with dreadlocks.”

Never mind the fact that Sterling was also a registered sex offender with a 20-year rap sheet and Castile may have been a suspect in an armed robbery.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mr. Rogers with dreadlocks? Please tell me President Obama did not say that.</p>— toddstarnes (@toddstarnes) <a href="https://twitter.com/toddstarnes/status/752946088630448128">July 12, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Many folks seem to feel this was just the finest speech President Obama has ever given. But we’ll just leave you with this commentary from our side of the aisle.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">President Obama brought shame to the White House today -- absolute shame.</p>— toddstarnes (@toddstarnes) <a href="https://twitter.com/toddstarnes/status/752946651199840256">July 12, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[NDgradstudent]

Brilliant tribute!

President Obama's entire Dallas police memorial speech - CNN Video

The NYT reported that Obama "told his aides to collect statistics demonstrating racial bias in the criminal justice system." No mention of the far more relevant statistics, such as these:

[From 1980 to 2008] the [homicide] offending rate for blacks (34.4 per 100,000) was almost 8 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000). (pg. 3).

And

While young black males have accounted for about 1% of the population from 1980 to 2008...by 2008, young black males made up about a quarter of all homicide offenders (27%). (pg. 16).

Obama is not interested in actual data that reflect what police (and everyone else) have to deal with on a daily basis. In fact, for some mysterious reason, his administration no longer publishes this data, but that doesn't change reality.

Blacks commit crimes at a much higher rate than whites. That explains the "disparities" in the justice system.

 

[Legacy]

I always have a problem with generalizations. If the bad cops - and I'm sure there are some - in Dallas only worn signs and which protesters identified themselves as peaceful, life would be easier. I'm sure you can also have peaceful black protesters who exercise their rights with open carry at rallys in Texas. But those black young men in inner city gang wars screw the stats up for those law-abiding ones who are acting in self-defense.

Blacks commit crimes at a much higher rate than whites. That explains the "disparities" in the justice system.

For statisticians among us, do black police officers have more violent encounters with citizens than white police officers? If they do not - or do - what does that explain?

 

[ACamp1900]

The NYT reported that Obama "told his aides to collect statistics demonstrating racial bias in the criminal justice system." No mention of the far more relevant statistics, such as these:



And



Obama is not interested in actual data that reflect what police (and everyone else) have to deal with on a daily basis. In fact, for some mysterious reason, his administration no longer publishes this data, but that doesn't change reality.

Blacks commit crimes at a much higher rate than whites. That explains the "disparities" in the justice system.

He's never been interested in anything but his narrative, stirring emotions, and dividing people... on any issue... you can say he is just another bullshit politician but he won election, in part, on a platform of unity, post-political and post-racial leadership and change... he's been the exact opposite of all of these. He's by far the number one reason the country is so polarized currently and it's among his greatest failures imo... anyway, just wait until this espn bullshit drops... I can smell the stench already.