Game of Thrones

[Corry]

Can someone explain what was going on with Tyrion/Varys and that priestess? I couldn't follow that at all.

It looks to me that they hired the Red God PR firm to win the hearts and minds. Probally not a good idea.

 

[phillyirish]

Aaand the CotF created the Others. I'm done.

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I don't know why this is a big deal. Makes sense since they appeared after the Andsl invasion.

Tonight was a great episode cause we finally got a huge major reveal in that, as well as a minor one with Hodor.

Looks like the theory of Bran having a huge impact on the timeline of events that kicked off the series is true. That he was probably the Mad Kings whispers and such.

I've been negative on the last season and a half but these past two episodes have been really good. Finally getting somewhere.

 

[woolybug25]

RIP Hodor. That was powerful.

...and I guess Bran can change the future?

and can a brotha get a sip poured for another dire wolf lost?

 

[IrishLax]

Jesus Christ...

 

[gkIrish]

and can a brotha get a sip poured for another dire wolf lost?

Amen.

I think we are down to 2 (Ghost and Nymeria)

 

[NDVirginia19]

Summer is dead. Winter is here

 

[NDinMich]

Amen.

I think we are down to 2 (Ghost and Nymeria)

Was just about to post this. Yeah, assuming Nymeria is alive, two (also assuming Shaggydog was actually killed and presented to Ramsey B and not an imposter Direwolf...as implausible as that would probably be).

 

[IrishLax]

Aaand the CotF created the Others. I'm done.

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LOL complaining about an extremely popular book theory being confirmed by the show because...?

 

[NOLAIrish]

I thought this was a much stronger episode than last. A few thoughts:

1) It's amazing to see what a turnaround the Bran storyline has taken. It was painful in season 2, and now it rivals King's Landing as the most interesting. Tonight, it was the better of the two, although it looks like it'll be topped next week.

2) So are the direwolves just MacGuffins? They seemed like they were being built up as terrific war hounds for the final battle. Now we're down to two, right? Nymeria and Ghost. We haven't seen Nymeria since the first season. Seems like we're about at the end of their relevance.

3) Tormund doing work

4) Still not loving the Dany storyline. Really didn't think that chat with Jorah worked. But the growing potential for conflict with Tyrion has some promise.

5) I wish they'd cut the Arya plot out of about 3 episodes this season and just pushed them together into the other two. It would feel less stagnant if it wasn't spread so thin.

6) I'd be interested to hear what people think the payoff to the Iron Islands aside will be.

 

[gkIrish]

I'm curious where Jorah will go to get cured. Any theories?

 

[wizards8507]

LOL complaining about an extremely popular book theory being confirmed by the show because...?

That wasn't a complaint. It's just a huge spoiler. I don't blame them, that's where we are in the narrative. But if big endgame things like that are going to start hitting every week, I'm choosing to stop watching.

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[IrishLax]

I'm curious where Jorah will go to get cured. Any theories?

Red Priest like Victarion's arm? Maybe that gets Dany on Team Red?

 

[IrishLax]

That wasn't a complaint. It's just a huge spoiler. I don't blame them, that's where we are in the narrative. But if big endgame things like that are going to start hitting every week, I'm choosing to stop watching.

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Gotcha, that actually makes total sense.

 

[TheRealLynch51]

That wasn't a complaint. It's just a huge spoiler. I don't blame them, that's where we are in the narrative. But if big endgame things like that are going to start hitting every week, I'm choosing to stop watching.

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Good luck protecting yourself from spoilers. Seriously.

 

[phillyirish]

That wasn't a complaint. It's just a huge spoiler. I don't blame them, that's where we are in the narrative. But if big endgame things like that are going to start hitting every week, I'm choosing to stop watching.

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I mean we are passed the books. Everything is gonna be spoiler from here out. Eventually major endgame reveals have to be made, can't just save it all for the final episode. The narrative has to progress.

Also, I'm guessing that the fleeing Greyjoys, Theon and his sister, are gonna be Team Jon now?? Don't reall know where else they'd run to.

Also looks like Brieene might be prime for another run in with the Hound if she's headed to Riverrun. Might be a trap or at the very least misleading info if it came from Littlefinger. My guess is that they some how team up, or he helps her when he hears about Sansa.

 

[zelezo vlk]

I mean, did nobody else think the Hodor thing was...weak? I actually was fine with not knowing though.

Where the heck are they gonna go though? Seemed to me like that door was coming down. Did I miss something? I also am a bit leery of how they're going to treat Bran going forward.

 

[Wild Bill]

Great tits on tonight's episode.

 

[BeauBenken]

Fuck Bran. He's worse than Ramsey. At least Ramsey is inherently evil and you expect him to be unlikeable. Bran just fucks up hardcore because he lacks any patience or understanding.

RIP Hodor.

 

[BeauBenken]

Great tits on tonight's episode.

But for real. Had to do a double take.

 

[Emcee77]

2) So are the direwolves just MacGuffins? They seemed like they were being built up as terrific war hounds for the final battle. Now we're down to two, right? Nymeria and Ghost. We haven't seen Nymeria since the first season. Seems like we're about at the end of their relevance.

I have this idea that Arya becomes a true Faceless Man, a true "no one," and then she encounters Nymeria somewhere and it brings her back to herself. Not a prediction exactly; I just would love to see it go down like that.

 

[IrishLion]

That episode broke my heart into tiny pieces, stomped those into even smaller pieces, and then pissed on them for good measure.

Summer sacrificed to Winter. Hold the Door. That was the most intense ending of the series, maybe.

Bran warging within a warging? I guess it's inevitable that he's going to change the past... but does that mean the end of the series is a bunch of terrible events, stuck in a loop, because Bran tried to stop it all, only to set it all in motion?

Also, this episode very clearly drew the lines for the final battle, or else is being very subtly misleading. Dany is gonna need to get her Dothraki across the sea, so she's gonna use Euron's ships. She's gonna team up with the Red Priestess after Jorah is cured by fire, because fire.

Across the way, Sansa and Jon Snow are gonna end up being team Ice, because Bran is gonna be like, "the White Walkers can't help their existence. It's our fault, because people are inherently a shitty species, and dragons wreck the balance of nature. Winter is Coming to pwn that dragon ass. Oh, and the Night's King is our great-great-great-great-great uncle, so he's cool either way. We gotta stop the Dragon lady."

That leaves us to figure out how A Girl and all the players in King's Landing fit in.

EDIT: This also leaves the question of how Melisandre and her counterpart reconcile their beliefs about Azor Ahai.

 

[mgriff]

If you're watching this and you know we are past the books, how can you complain? I mean, they've been hitting major plot points the entire series, did you think they were going to create their own story for the last three seasons? If you don't want to be spoiled, don't watch the show.

GRRM is a sci-fi writer by nature. His Thousand Worlds universe explores a lot of the overarching themes of ASoIaF. I'm not surprised with a sci-fi twist being thrown in here, but they have to handle it properly so it's not a gaping plot hole. This could be the butterfly's wings drastically altering history, but Bran also tries to talk to Theon and Ned in the books. Is this his warning that messing in the past can have dire consequences for people? What if he can change all the misfortune in the world by acting in the past? I hope they get it right.

CotF created the White Walkers. Theory confirmed. But what is the WW's purpose? Murdering their creators? On the Behind the Scenes Dan says he's the embodiment of evil. I did not think they'd be so black and white as a zombie death cult. This series has been about the gray in everyone. Perhaps they are just the Dragons of the Ice side, but they can clearly think, plan, and have motivations. I hope they aren't reduced to trying to cover the world in ice and zombies.

I think I'm a hard man, I even try to act like it. But that Hodor scene got me. I was reviewing Hodr from Norse mythology trying to figure out how he'd play that role. The show gave us nice foreshadowing though.

 

[GATTACA!]

I mean, did nobody else think the Hodor thing was...weak? I actually was fine with not knowing though.

Where the heck are they gonna go though? Seemed to me like that door was coming down. Did I miss something? I also am a bit leery of how they're going to treat Bran going forward.

The theory I've heard floating around that I really like is that the nights king is going to purposely let Bran go. Now that he is marked as soon as he crosses under the wall it will break the magic protecting it and the white walkers will be able to cross/destroy it finally.

 

[ThePiombino]

This is really shaping up to be a Bran comedy of errors lol

 

[wizards8507]

Fuck Bran. He's worse than Ramsey. At least Ramsey is inherently evil and you expect him to be unlikeable. Bran just fucks up hardcore because he lacks any patience or understanding.

RIP Hodor.

How did Bran fuck up? What time travel and/or skinchanging rules did Bran violate that he should have known would cause Hodor to have a seizure 30 years in the past that fucked up his brain? That scene made no fucking sense.

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[wizards8507]

That episode broke my heart into tiny pieces, stomped those into even smaller pieces, and then pissed on them for good measure.

Summer sacrificed to Winter. Hold the Door. That was the most intense ending of the series, maybe.

Bran warging within a warging? I guess it's inevitable that he's going to change the past... but does that mean the end of the series is a bunch of terrible events, stuck in a loop, because Bran tried to stop it all, only to set it all in motion?

Also, this episode very clearly drew the lines for the final battle, or else is being very subtly misleading. Dany is gonna need to get her Dothraki across the sea, so she's gonna use Euron's ships. She's gonna team up with the Red Priestess after Jorah is cured by fire, because fire.

Across the way, Sansa and Jon Snow are gonna end up being team Ice, because Bran is gonna be like, "the White Walkers can't help their existence. It's our fault, because people are inherently a shitty species, and dragons wreck the balance of nature. Winter is Coming to pwn that dragon ass. Oh, and the Night's King is our great-great-great-great-great uncle, so he's cool either way. We gotta stop the Dragon lady."

That leaves us to figure out how A Girl and all the players in King's Landing fit in.

EDIT: This also leaves the question of how Melisandre and her counterpart reconcile their beliefs about Azor Ahai.

Bran can't change the past. This isn't Dynamic Timeline time travel (Back to the Future) or Multiverse time travel (JJ's Star Trek). It's fixed timeline time travel. Anything Bran would go back in time to do, it is already the case that he was there doing it the first time around.

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[wizards8507]

The theory I've heard floating around that I really like is that the nights king is going to purposely let Bran go. Now that he is marked as soon as he crosses under the wall it will break the magic protecting it and the white walkers will be able to cross/destroy it finally.

I'd wager good money that Coldhands, aka Uncle Benjen, shows up next episode.

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[gkIrish]

I'd wager good money that Coldhands, aka Uncle Benjen, shows up next episode.

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So during that entire last scene my heart was racing even fast because I though Benjen was going to show up and save the day.

 

[wizards8507]

So during that entire last scene my heart was racing even fast because I though Benjen was going to show up and save the day.

Have we been watching the same show? You thought they'd end an episode with a triumphant rescue rather than a fan-favorite simpleton being devoured by zombies?

On that note, odds have to be pretty high that we see wight-Hodor at some point, right? And that he's damn powerful? Otherwise, what was the point of all that "he could have been the finest warrior in the seven kingdoms blah blah blah"?

 

[gkIrish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GoT?src=hash">#GoT</a> season feels like "Lost." Turns out last night's ep. was directed by same guy who did "The Constant" <a href="https://t.co/9iDRLQCTmt">https://t.co/9iDRLQCTmt</a></p>— J.A. Adande (@jadande) <a href="https://twitter.com/jadande/status/734729377896759296">May 23, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That explains a lot...