'16 NJ DT Rashan Gary (Michigan Verbal)

[phork]

How so? Michigan leads the series 24-17-1...

That is true, but in the modern era I believe its either tied or ND is up.

 

[MNIrishman]

How so? Michigan leads the series 24-17-1...

Just like with Ohio State, if you don't count stuff before the existence of the AP poll, it's a different story. Michigan beat up on a lot of teams in the early days before anyone else knew how to play. Since then, they've managed to avoid almost all of our NC teams and haven't won a consensus NC of their own since the Roosevelt administration.

 

[NDohio]

They're feeling pretty good about this one down here in SC.

I really hope to see M crying over this one.

 

[BobbyMac]

I sincerely doubt that Michigan wants to schedule us. Like Ohio State. Natural, but one-sided.

They must be talking. Both sides have mentioned it. They do have Florida '17, Arkansas '18-'19 and Washington & Va Tech in '20-'21. I'll agree, adding ND doesn't make sense in the current system as if you win the B1G with 1 loss you're in. No sense in making your OOC tougher and making that 2nd loss more likely.

Victor Viramontes, who was one of the decommits after a summer commitment after a satellite camp, may be considering Michigan. He is a QB in h.s. But VV was never slated to play there at Michigan. A possible Safety. Room? We'll see.

Victor is going to be too big for safety. This guy is going to be 6-1, 240lbs+. He's a bulldog. Someone is going to get a hell of a football player. Threw for 2000, ran for 1000 in Corona Centennial's league. He even played a little LB last year when he was the entire offense. If I were a program that used a FB, he'd be a must have. This is the type of guy that's in the NFL for 10 years as a FB / special teams player if he doesn't make it as an LB.

 

[TomHaverford]

where is our boy Tom?

right here!

eh, Farrell is a clown. Who calls themselves the godfather of anything? Jesus what a douche.

Two days ago Farrell was saying Gary's all Michigan, then he said 60/40 Michigan a day later, then on that same day he said leaning to Clemson, now he's saying sticking with his original pick of Michigan. Trying to drum up hits to your site, much?

I doubt the guy has any real information.

Gary could wind up at Clemson, never thought he was a lock. I don't believe in locks in recruiting, nothing matters until the LOI is signed and faxed in. I think anybody who follows 'crootin' should know that by now.

It would be a loss to lose him, yeah, but it's not a program killer. He's one player. In a class of 30.

And Jim Harbaugh is still our coach. I might not agree with his recruiting tactics or with some of his weird ass behavior, and let's face it the dude is freaking weird, definitely suffers from some form of autism IMO, but the fact remains he is a HELL of a football coach. Best coach we've probably ever had at Michigan since Yost. Yep, I'm putting him ahead of Bo and Lloyd. I think he's a better coach than either of those guys, and it's not really that close.

 

[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Rashan Gary is on his way to ESPN. In a Limo. Because Signing Day <a href="https://t.co/HsokuUkDhe">pic.twitter.com/HsokuUkDhe</a></p>— ESPNU (@ESPNU) <a href="https://twitter.com/ESPNU/status/694882669772070912">February 3, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[#1rish]

.....Doesn't he have school today?

 

[yankeeND]

.....Doesn't he have school today?

HA!

 

[arrowryan]

I wonder who paid for the limo

 

[phork]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Rashan Gary is on his way to ESPN. In a Limo. Because Signing Day <a href="https://t.co/HsokuUkDhe">pic.twitter.com/HsokuUkDhe</a></p>— ESPNU (@ESPNU) <a href="https://twitter.com/ESPNU/status/694882669772070912">February 3, 2016</a></blockquote>
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But I bet he won't stand in front of the college football hall of fame with his 4 HS championship rings on and guarantee a NC!

 

[Irish#1]

.....Doesn't he have school today?

You never call in sick before? lol

 

[#1rish]

You never call in sick before? lol

Not when I show up first lol that's the outside of Paramus Catholic.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I believe Gary is a game changer for any program. I hope UM doesn't pick him up but it might be worse if he goes to Clemson. When do we play Clemson next?

It's really going to hurt if Michigan picks up big time recruits today.

 

[gkIrish]

It's definitely better for him to go to UM. Not only do we play Clemson and not UM, but we want the Big Ten to beat each other up. The better chance Michigan has to beat OSU/Michigan St. in any given year, the better for us.

That being said, I hope he signs with Clemson because fuck Michigan.

 

[TomHaverford]

I wonder who paid for the limo

probably ESPN. I mean he is doing them a favor by announcing on their show, he's the #1 player in the nation and eye balls are going to tune in just to see where he goes.

 

[irishandy]

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And people b!tched how Jimmy Clausen made his announcement...boy how recruiting has changed...it's not about who you are anymore it's about what school you are choosing it seems.

 

[TomHaverford]

I believe Gary is a game changer for any program. I hope UM doesn't pick him up but it might be worse if he goes to Clemson. When do we play Clemson next?

It's really going to hurt if Michigan picks up big time recruits today.

I don't think any one single player is a game changer for any program. As great as Gary is, and he is great, it takes a team to win a championship in football. It's not like basketball where you can win 6 on the back of a Michael Jordan. Takes all 85 guys.

I've really only seen two players in my entire time of watching college football that could pretty much change a program almost by themselves and take a team on their backs and will them to victories. Vince Young at Texas and Michael Vick at Virginia Tech, but they were QB's that touched the ball every play on offense and guys like that just don't come around often. Only been two in the last 30+ years.

 

[irishroo]

I don't think any one single player is a game changer for any program. As great as Gary is, and he is great, it takes a team to win a championship in football. It's not like basketball where you can win 6 on the back of a Michael Jordan. Takes all 85 guys.

I've really only seen two players in my entire time of watching college football that could pretty much change a program almost by themselves and take a team on their backs and will them to victories. Vince Young at Texas and Michael Vick at Virginia Tech, but they were QB's that touched the ball every play on offense and guys like that just don't come around often. Only been two in the last 30+ years.

I think Tebow has to be on that list as well.

 

[irish4ever]

I believe Gary is a game changer for any program. I hope UM doesn't pick him up but it might be worse if he goes to Clemson. When do we play Clemson next?

It's really going to hurt if Michigan picks up big time recruits today.

2020 at Home as it stands now. Anyway, muck Fichigan ... hope he picks Clemson!!!

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I don't think any one single player is a game changer for any program. As great as Gary is, and he is great, it takes a team to win a championship in football. It's not like basketball where you can win 6 on the back of a Michael Jordan. Takes all 85 guys.

I've really only seen two players in my entire time of watching college football that could pretty much change a program almost by themselves and take a team on their backs and will them to victories. Vince Young at Texas and Michael Vick at Virginia Tech, but they were QB's that touched the ball every play on offense and guys like that just don't come around often. Only been two in the last 30+ years.

I understand what you are saying and I don't necessarily disagree. What I'm attempting to say is a roster that has difference makers at various positions have a much better chance to win.

We like to point to Tuitt as he was a game changer for us, when he showed up. Defensive linemen can really alter the game so quickly by giving the OL fits and altering the timing for the offense.

No player is more important than the other 85, etc. etc. I don't disagree with that but Gary is one of those players that will be responsible for a couple wins/year due to a huge play that shifted momentum or sealed the game.

Whoever gets Rashan will have a transformed defensive line. He'll command double teams every singe snap so if any other players can create pressure, you'll have an immediate numbers advantage. The offense will have to keep a RB in the backfield to chip on the DEs or help clog up blitzers.

Rashan gives you a great deal of leverage with your defense.

 

[TomHaverford]

I think Tebow has to be on that list as well.

does he?

The first title Florida won, he was a role player who got snaps here and there.

The second title Florida won, it's not like he didn't have a shitload of help. Percy Harvin was honestly a better college player than Tebow IMO. I was at the Oklahoma-Florida national title game, and Percy Harvin is to this day the most impressive athlete on a football field that I have ever seen in motion other than Barry Sanders. He took that game over as both a runner/receiver. Guy just had a bounce in his step and moves and speed like very few have ever had. Not trying to take anything away from Tebow, who was a great player, but to me he's a good step below Vick, Young, and Cam.

Oh and not to mention the guys coach happened to be Urban Meyer, who is easily one of the elite college coaches of all-time and has a very proven, effective offensive system that has worked for him everywhere he's been. No disrespect to Frank Beamer and Mack Brown, but they are not on that level and Vick/Young put them on the map, not the other way around. Urban was already on the map before Tebow.

One guy I forgot about, CAM NEWTON. He only spent 1 year in college, but oh man was that year spectacular. He was right up there with Vick and Young. Just an imposing, physically dominating player. Size, speed. Couldn't stop him no matter what you tried.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

does he?

The first title Florida won, he was a role player who got snaps here and there.

The second title Florida won, it's not like he didn't have a shitload of help. Percy Harvin was honestly a better college player than Tebow IMO. I was at the Oklahoma-Florida national title game, and Percy Harvin is to this day the most impressive athlete on a football field that I have ever seen in motion other than Barry Sanders. He took that game over as both a runner/receiver. Guy just had a bounce in his step and moves and speed like very few have ever had. Not trying to take anything away from Tebow, who was a great player, but to me he's a good step below Vick, Young, and Cam.

Oh and not to mention the guys coach happened to be Urban Meyer, who is easily one of the elite college coaches of all-time and has a very proven, effective offensive system that has worked for him everywhere he's been. No disrespect to Frank Beamer and Mack Brown, but they are not on that level and Vick/Young put them on the map, not the other way around. Urban was already on the map before Tebow.

One guy I forgot about, CAM NEWTON. He only spent 1 year in college, but oh man was that year spectacular. He was right up there with Vick and Young. Just an imposing, physically dominating player. Size, speed. Couldn't stop him no matter what you tried.

I'd add Reggie Bush to this list. He was a lot of fun to watch.

 

[TomHaverford]

I'd add Reggie Bush to this list. He was a lot of fun to watch.

Never saw Reggie live in college, saw him live for the Detroit Lions but he wasn't the same guy, injuries had taken a toll on his body by then.

USC was a verifiable All-Star team when Reggie was there, so it's hard to say he was the guy or the reason why they won so much, but I'd agree with you. He's right up there with Cam, Vick, and Young in my opinion. Reggie in college as a runner, returner, and receiver was the best utility/all-around weapon that I've ever seen in the college game.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Never saw Reggie live in college, saw him live for the Detroit Lions but he wasn't the same guy, injuries had taken a toll on his body by then.

USC was a verifiable All-Star team when Reggie was there, so it's hard to say he was the guy or the reason why they won so much, but I'd agree with you. He's right up there with Cam, Vick, and Young in my opinion. Reggie in college as a runner, returner, and receiver was the best utility/all-around weapon that I've ever seen in the college game.

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[Veritate Duce Progredi]

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[dublinirish]

 

[IrishLion]

I believe Gary is a game changer for any program. I hope UM doesn't pick him up but it might be worse if he goes to Clemson. When do we play Clemson next?

It's really going to hurt if Michigan picks up big time recruits today.

It's definitely better for him to go to UM. Not only do we play Clemson and not UM, but we want the Big Ten to beat each other up. The better chance Michigan has to beat OSU/Michigan St. in any given year, the better for us.

That being said, I hope he signs with Clemson because fuck Michigan.

ND wouldn't see Rashan Gary as a Clemson Tiger unless it was in the playoffs. Gary would need to stick around for a 5th year in 2020 to play against ND. Not happening lol.

EDIT: I also now realize how insane it sounds that ND has signed players today that will be on the team in the year 2020. Holy balls.

 

[connor_in]

Wow...way to spoil the kids moment dude

 

[Legacy]

That is true, but in the modern era I believe its either tied or ND is up.

Yes. Since touchdowns became six points and the forward pass became legal, the record is 16-16 with one tie.

31-0 is a nice topping.

Michigan may never play us again. You never hear any interest from Michigan fans or the athletic department on playing ND. We can be gracious, though.

 

[connor_in]

Yes. Since touchdowns became six points and the forward pass became legal, the record is 16-16 with one tie.

31-0 is a nice topping.

Michigan may never play us again. You never hear any interest from Michigan fans or the athletic department on playing ND. We can be gracious, though.

I have heard from UM fans that they wouldn't mind playing us again because they have Harbs and they are not going to lose any more games during his 100 year tenure