'16 CA LB Caleb Kelly (Oklahoma Verbal)

[BobbyMac]

None of this is verified yet, so please don't jump all over me if this turns out not to be true...but a good friend of mine who is very dialed in with UCLA recruiting just texted me that he heard today that Oklahoma is not going to be re-signing their primary Fresno recruiter, Courtney Viney, who was a grad assistant the last two years. Viney is from Fresno and played at UCLA, so they know him well and there are rumors flying around that he could be looking at joining Mora's staff at UCLA. My buddy also mentioned that he heard that one of the reasons he was not re-signed was that he couldn't close Kelly. Take it with a grain of salt because I can't validate this anywhere online...but if true, this would have to be a good sign for us!

This is not knocking your friend... I remembered reading this about the Fresno -> Norman connection. Just sharing:

Predicting where college football's top 10 uncommitted recruits will play - SBNation.com

"I talk to coach Viney a lot, well of course, he is more of like a big brother he'll call me 'little bro' and stuff like that. He is more of a big brother kind of guy, he'll still do his little recruiting stuff - say certain stuff, it's more words of wisdom and good luck and stuff like that,"

If Viney ends up at UCLA good for him He had a good 4 years here before grad transferring out to purgatory at New Mexico St. After a life in Fresno, with stops in Las Cruces and Norman... I can see why he'd be jumping at the chance to get to Westwood.

...and yeah, hopefully he dropped the ball with Kelly. That would suck so good.

 

[GBdomer]

How can you say BVG doesn't recruit? He's been all over the country. I don't understand this.

He's also the defensive coach that held D Watson and C McCaffery to almost their lowest totals of the year.

Yes - BVG's defense has had 5-8 plays a game that has cost us dearly. But why are you writing that in C Kelly's thread without bringing up the positive?

Honestly BVG is known as being disinterested in recruiting. Sure he does in home visits but he rarely if ever recruits.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Top BVG 3 for me
1 tons of talent and we have had the worst and 7th worst statistical defenses the last 2 years.
2. Doesn't recruit
3. Becoming a costly liability with future recruits

Answered,

1. What good is having all that talent if it's either too young to produce consistently, or on the sideline nursing an injury?

2. Robert Beal

3. Again, Robert Beal

 

[BobbyMac]

Is it known what was said by Cooks that qualified as negative recruiting?

Did he lie about something or was he bringing up things that he sees as deficiencies at ND that don't exist at OU?

Anyone?

 

[GBdomer]

Answered,

1. What good is having all that talent if it's either too young to produce consistently, or on the sideline nursing an injury?

2. Robert Beal

3. Again, Robert Beal

He honestly really had nothing to do with Robert Beal. Pretty sure Booker don wrapped that up, with all the local family ties and everything

 

[Crazy Balki]

Is it known what was said by Cooks that qualified as negative recruiting?

Did he lie about something or was he bringing up things that he sees as deficiencies at ND that don't exist at OU?

Me thinks the former. Kind of hard to justify the criticism of another defensive scheme, when your's did worse against the two common opponent's each team faced.

If I'm Kelly, I'm having just as many questions about the future of OU's defense as I am ND, if not more.

 

[NDdomer2]

Honestly BVG is known as being disinterested in recruiting. Sure he does in home visits but he rarely if ever recruits.

Outside of Bobby D's Ishaq glory it wasn't like he was some big recruiter either. This has been the norm at ND for the DC position since BK has arrived.

 

[BobbyMac]

Me thinks the former. Kind of hard to justify the criticism of another defensive scheme, when your's did worse against the two common opponent's each team faced.

If I'm Kelly, I'm having just as many questions about the future of OU's defense as I am ND, if not more.

Well it could have been the weather sucked, the girls are ugly, it's a total cracker school, it's too hard for you, all the above.... not just football related.

So there is no examples of what he did I take it.

 

[NDgradstudent]

Honestly BVG is known as being disinterested in recruiting.

Isn't that like being a priest who is disinterested in saying Mass? Why is he a college coach?

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Sure injuries played a role but when your best players and most talented players don't understand the defense it's to simplify this. If Kelly chooses OU and then questions he's not sure about BVG and the way the defense is headed I will not be a happy camper

Is it known what was said by Cooks that qualified as negative recruiting?

Did he lie about something or was he bringing up things that he sees as deficiencies at ND that don't exist at OU?

How can you say BVG doesn't recruit? He's been all over the country. I don't understand this.

He's also the defensive coach that held D Watson and C McCaffery to almost their lowest totals of the year.

Yes - BVG's defense has had 5-8 plays a game that has cost us dearly. But why are you writing that in C Kelly's thread without bringing up the positive?

First, as GB says for any that prescribe to that three point list, you all forgot there was a number 4. The defensive backfield, and the 'leader' of the defense were a f*u*c*k*ing mess!

No one could play any safety position, with the level of skill required, after Tranquil was hurt. Sebastian hadn't made it through one complete season at Cal; why did anyone think that would be different at ND. And people want to give him another year!

Cole Luke was great at corner, in my opinion, but KeiVarae Russell will turn out to be the defensive Everett Golson. Mark my words. Todd Lyght was a rookie coach, and how many DB coaches have there been since the fifth years began?

Even if Joe Schmidt was all BVG's fault, that won't happen again. I don't think it was all BVG because they all looked polished and shined all the way up to Jack Swarbrick. Did you ever listen to the Joe and Jack show? They could be Bobsey Twins!

And the way Mike Elston's recruiting structure works is that BVG makes most talent evaluations, and goes out with others in tandem. Now if you say that it is because he is gauche, or even uncouth, so be it. But the fact of the matter he is the staff's resident hard-ass! He works well on the visits as the say it like it is guy. The authority figure in the background.

What I want to know is how anyone thinks recruiting did anything but greatly improve from last year to this! Do you understand how crazy not acknowledging that is?

And for one, I think the chafe is going to separate from the grain. The bullshit is going to fade away. And when the stench clears, I think we gwen have a really excellent class!

 

[irishandy]

He honestly really had nothing to do with Robert Beal. Pretty sure Booker don wrapped that up, with all the local family ties and everything

Let's hope we can hang onto Beal.

 

[greyhammer90]

Nothing like trash talking your DC on a five star recruit's thread on the night you know that five star recruit is making up his mind on where to go...

Let's hope Kelly doesn't ever google his own name

 

[irishandy]

Honestly BVG is known as being disinterested in recruiting. Sure he does in home visits but he rarely if ever recruits.

Did BVG ever make an in home visit for Kelly? If you were one of the top LB's in the country and you didn't get a visit from your possible future DC wouldn't you be pissed??

 

[Bogtrotter07]

EVERYBODY! Please listen to Grey!

I know his prose often comes off as a bit sophisticated. BUT. Try to understand and comprehend.

Thanks to you all!

 

[johnnycando]

I say those words with pride. I love our purple-faced mick bastard.

 

[dad4aa]

Nothing like trash talking your DC on a five star recruit's thread on the night you know that five star recruit is making up his mind on where to go...

Let's hope Kelly doesn't ever google his own name

BVG trashing seems to end up in WAAAAYYYY too many threads.

 

[connor_in]

BRILLIANT

 

[gkIrish]

Nothing like trash talking your DC on a five star recruit's thread on the night you know that five star recruit is making up his mind on where to go...

Let's hope Kelly doesn't ever google his own name

I understand that recruits do indeed read message boards but if they are going to make a decision the night before signing day because of what random internet posters say then good luck at another school. Not going to work out at a place like ND.

 

[Mavericknyc1980]

I one time had a heated disagreement about Chris Brown's dad on here, it turns out later it was Chris Browna dad lol.

 

[zelezo vlk]

If Lucky Charms tasted like shit it might make a difference.

I just bought some Lucky Charms yesterday. Now I'm hungry for some.

 

[greyhammer90]

I understand that recruits do indeed read message boards but if they are going to make a decision the night before signing day because of what random internet posters say then good luck at another school. Not going to work out at a place like ND.

If you think that's what I was implying then you really think I'm stupid. Of course he's not going to pick OK over ND purely based on that. There's so many other reasons. It's so much easier to go to OK, in almost every way.

But when an 18 year old kid is on the edge and questioning whether or not to commit to something much harder than the easier path, it certainly doesn't help for him to come online and be given a powerpoint presentation by our local naysayers on why he should probably go to Oklahoma.

Will it make a difference? I don't know. Maybe it will just make the the board more bearable in general? I'm going to call that a win-win.

 

[longliveautrydenson]

If you think that's what I was implying then you really think I'm stupid. Of course he's not going to pick OK over ND purely based on that. There's so many other reasons. It's so much easier to go to OK, in almost every way.

But when an 18 year old kid is on the edge and questioning whether or not to commit to something much harder than the easier path, it certainly doesn't help for him to come online and be given a powerpoint presentation by our local naysayers on why he should probably go to Oklahoma.

Will it make a difference? I don't know. Maybe it will just make the the board more bearable in general? I'm going to call that a win-win.

Caleb, if you're reading this thread, you already know. Notre Dame's fan base has a few negative nancies. Don't you worry though, those negative nancies are pulling in six figures a year and would love to give you a job some day making 6 figures too.

In the interest of full disclosure, Oklahoma's fan base has a few negative nancies too. And from what I hear, their negative nancies will sneak you a free frosty if you get to the Wendy's before their manager arrives.

 

[johnnycando]

^lmfao!!!

 

[Booslum31]

First, as GB says for any that prescribe to that three point list, you all forgot there was a number 4. The defensive backfield, and the 'leader' of the defense were a f*u*c*k*ing mess!

No one could play any safety position, with the level of skill required, after Tranquil was hurt. Sebastian hadn't made it through one complete season at Cal; why did anyone think that would be different at ND. And people want to give him another year!

Cole Luke was great at corner, in my opinion, but KeiVarae Russell will turn out to be the defensive Everett Golson. Mark my words. Todd Lyght was a rookie coach, and how many DB coaches have there been since the fifth years began?

Even if Joe Schmidt was all BVG's fault, that won't happen again. I don't think it was all BVG because they all looked polished and shined all the way up to Jack Swarbrick. Did you ever listen to the Joe and Jack show? They could be Bobsey Twins!

And the way Mike Elston's recruiting structure works is that BVG makes most talent evaluations, and goes out with others in tandem. Now if you say that it is because he is gauche, or even uncouth, so be it. But the fact of the matter he is the staff's resident hard-ass! He works well on the visits as the say it like it is guy. The authority figure in the background.

What I want to know is how anyone thinks recruiting did anything but greatly improve from last year to this! Do you understand how crazy not acknowledging that is?

And for one, I think the chafe is going to separate from the grain. The bullshit is going to fade away. And when the stench clears, I think we gwen have a really excellent class!

Good post Bogs...especially the last sentence. Not sure where Gwen fits in but you are right about the great class.

 

[greyhammer90]

Caleb, if you're reading this thread, you already know. Notre Dame's fan base has a few negative nancies. Don't you worry though, those negative nancies are pulling in six figures a year and would love to give you a job some day making 6 figures too.

In the interest of full disclosure, Oklahoma's fan base has a few negative nancies too. And from what I hear, their negative nancies will sneak you a free frosty if you get to the Wendy's before their manager arrives.

But free frosties tho.

 

[Irish#1]

This thread is about as nervous a thread as any we've had in a while. lol

 

[Booslum31]

This thread is about as nervous a thread as any we've had in a while. lol

No doubt! Maybe we should start praying?

 

[johnnycando]

No doubt! Maybe we should start praying?

Nah!!

Pray for hungry children. Impoverished nations. Diseased people's.

For the Irish rejoice.

Without Kelly we're doing great. With him even better.

 

[gkIrish]

If you think that's what I was implying then you really think I'm stupid. Of course he's not going to pick OK over ND purely based on that. There's so many other reasons. It's so much easier to go to OK, in almost every way.

But when an 18 year old kid is on the edge and questioning whether or not to commit to something much harder than the easier path, it certainly doesn't help for him to come online and be given a powerpoint presentation by our local naysayers on why he should probably go to Oklahoma.

Will it make a difference? I don't know. Maybe it will just make the the board more bearable in general? I'm going to call that a win-win.

People saying nothing but nice things about BVG sounds about as unbearable to me as anything you described so to each his own.

 

[sportallyr]

Not saying you're lying, because I appreciate that you're just repeating info, but that makes no sense to me.

Admittedly I'm an "outsider" when it comes to how recruiting really works on a day-to-day basis, but the idea of a graduate assistant (as in, the kind of guys Brian Kelly has no problem beating up on National TV) being put in charge of a five star recruit, much less the Fresno area, for Oklahoma seems at best a stretch. That's a pretty big job for guys who are glorified film rats. Even more of a stretch to me is that this GA would then be let go because he couldn't sign a single recruit. Even MORE of a stretch to me is that this info implies that Kelly has already made up his mind, the OK coaching staff has heard this from Kelly, and that enough time has passed that they have informed this GA that he will not be signed as a result of this development.

Yeah Grey, I totally get it. I have a hard time believing the bolded part too. I do believe that, if Viney has decided to leave OK for UCLA, it could help influence Kelly's decision though so I'm holding out hope. I'm waiting to hear back from my buddy to see if there is anything linked about this or if it's just message board chatter.