'15 FL OLB Te'Von Coney (Notre Dame Early Enrollee)

[ThePiombino]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Te’Von Coney suffered a shoulder dislocation against Ohio State that could sideline the freshman linebacker until fall camp.</p>— Irish Illustrated (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/683063698013814784">January 1, 2016</a></blockquote>
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lol we're already without our projected starting WIL LB for spring camp lolololol

Did I mention lololol

 

[BobbyMac]

Sources told Irish Illustrated that Smith suffered at least a torn ACL and LCL. A source also told Irish Illustrated that Coney suffered a shoulder dislocation likely to keep him out until fall camp.
That means Notre Dame’s depth chart at Will linebacker was effectively wiped out in the first half by Ohio State. Jarrett Grace replaced Coney in the game, but he’s out of eligibility. While Kelly wouldn’t commit to Bilal’s position within the linebacker corps just yet, it seems there’s a Smith comparison to be made.
“Asmar Bilal is definitely a guy that shows incredible traits at the linebacker position,” Kelly said. “He’s gonna be a guy in time where we’re all gonna look around and go, ‘Wow, he looks a little bit like that No. 9 guy.’”
Bilal was named Scout Team Player of the Year on defense last month.

That's a nasty dislocation to keep Coney out till the fall. I've had a few of those. Never was shelved more than 6-8 weeks. I can see maybe holding him out of full contact in the spring but out until fall???

Don't be surprised if this is worse than expected.

Paging Dr. Kelly... paging Dr. McCulloch....

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[peoriairish]

Not uncommonly, labral tears accompany shoulder subluxations.

Currently rehabbing a high school wrestler who had this exact thing happen.

 

[stlnd01]

That's a nasty dislocation to keep Coney out till the fall. I've had a few of those. Never was shelved more than 6-8 weeks. I can see maybe holding him out of full contact in the spring but out until fall???

Don't be surprised if this is worse than expected.

Paging Dr. Kelly... paging Dr. McCulloch....

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Assuming he has surgery - which would probably be recommended to prevent a recurrence - he'd likely be out for spring ball. At that point you basically are out until Fall Camp. Probably does team workouts over the summer though right?

 

[BobbyMac]

Not uncommonly, labral tears accompany shoulder subluxations.

Currently rehabbing a high school wrestler who had this exact thing happen.

I had a torn labrum which required repair along with a detached AC ligament and at 36, I was back on the court in 5 months "as good as it's gonna get" condition. This was the culmination of 3 dislocations over 20 years.

It sounds like a labral tear which they have opted not to surgically repair. I wonder if however they scoped it to get this diagnosis? Seems a long time to sit someone if that's not a significant tear at that age.

Side not. That surgery was the worst physical pain I've ever been in for the first two weeks and I had the surgery a day or two before the Pat Dillingham threw the game away vs BC. THAT was top 5 miserable day EVER.

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[Crazy Balki]

I've heard the opposite. That it wasn't serious and he'll be ready for spring. This according to someone close to the family.

I'm not ready to assume the worst. Not enough info yet on the severity of the injury.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Referring to the earlier conversation, don't you think the string of injuries, two years running has more to do with coaching factors than conditioning factors?

It seems to me that there is too wide a variety in injury types, and too many broken bones to be able to lay it on conditioning.

Could it be too much hitting outside of games?

Or two few of players really ready to play? (reps not spread around, enough.)

Or something else I cannot figure?

What say you, oh sage readership?

 

[dang227]

I personally think it's these new Under Armour shoes. Since we have been wearing them there have been an alarming amount of foot an ankle injuries.mm

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Fire longo


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[Booslum31]

Fire longo


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Bring back grass

 

[koonja]

Fire longo


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Being ahead of the times will get you flak, but here I am to say I told you guys so. Called it in 2013. Longo must go.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Referring to the earlier conversation, don't you think the string of injuries, two years running has more to do with coaching factors than conditioning factors?

It seems to me that there is too wide a variety in injury types, and too many broken bones to be able to lay it on conditioning.

Could it be too much hitting outside of games?

Or two few of players really ready to play? (reps not spread around, enough.)

Or something else I cannot figure?

What say you, oh sage readership?

I think most of it is bad luck. Micahel Floyd and Kyle rudolph, two men with bodies well-equipped for football, spent most of their college days injured. Bad luck. Zaire was bad luck. Jaylon Smith was a hit from behind.

But if I were going to chalk it up to something else, I would be curious to see the effects of:

1) less sleep because of more studying/tighter schedules;

2) trying to maximize the weight/speed balance of atheltes by getting them up to "prototypical" position weight, instead of letting them play at a more "natural" weight. I'll explain:

We get the pick of the litter of O-linemen. Heistand picks people with the body-type to be able to handle 305 lbs. Those guys don't get hurt a lot, beyond sprained ankles and such. But I bet if we were in the business of converting diamond-in-the-rough TEs to OTs, there would be more injuries. Guys like Manti can handle his 250, but not a lot of other fast LBs can (think Grace, Councell). When you take a guy like Tranquil and have him running around at 220+ instead of 205, he's more likely to get injured because of the stress on his joints. Under this theory, Alabama has less injuries because they essentially pick first, and they choose the guys that can handle the weight (there aren't very many of them).

But once again, I think MOST, if not all, is bad luck and playing football.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Bring back grass

Jaylon was playing on grass last Friday

 

[T Town Tommy]

I think most of it is bad luck. Micahel Floyd and Kyle rudolph, two men with bodies well-equipped for football, spent most of their college days injured. Bad luck. Zaire was bad luck. Jaylon Smith was a hit from behind.

But if I were going to chalk it up to something else, I would be curious to see the effects of:

1) less sleep because of more studying/tighter schedules;

2) trying to maximize the weight/speed balance of atheltes by getting them up to "prototypical" position weight, instead of letting them play at a more "natural" weight. I'll explain:

We get the pick of the litter of O-linemen. Heistand picks people with the body-type to be able to handle 305 lbs. Those guys don't get hurt a lot, beyond sprained ankles and such. But I bet if we were in the business of converting diamond-in-the-rough TEs to OTs, there would be more injuries. Guys like Manti can handle his 250, but not a lot of other fast LBs can (think Grace, Councell). When you take a guy like Tranquil and have him running around at 220+ instead of 205, he's more likely to get injured because of the stress on his joints. Under this theory, Alabama has less injuries because they essentially pick first, and they choose the guys that can handle the weight (there aren't very many of them).

But once again, I think MOST, if not all, is bad luck and playing football.

Isn't #2 the reason most out here loathed Diaco for? IIRC, he was roundly criticized for his rigid recruiting style of wanting his defensive players to meet certain matrix's before he would offer them.

 

[IrishLion]

Isn't #2 the reason most out here loathed Diaco for? IIRC, he was roundly criticized for his rigid recruiting style of wanting his defensive players to meet certain matrix's before he would offer them.

Diaco's issue wasn't even sticking to his guns on his requirements, so much as it was the fact that he offered almost no flexibility. Rather than dropping the requirements in order to shore up the depth chart, he simply said "we'll get our guy next time," which left glaring holes on the defensive side of the ball.

(And his obsession with CAT linebackers)

 

[Big23Head]

Had shoulder surgery today per II

 

[drake29]

Wonder why they waited so long. Hopefully this doesn't affect him in the Spring. It will already hold up his development in the weight room.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Let us know how it came out. As soon as you hear,

 

[Big23Head]

Wonder why they waited so long. Hopefully this doesn't affect him in the Spring. It will already hold up his development in the weight room.

He's out for the spring by all accounts already, targeting fall practice. Unless something changed once they got a better look at things

 

[Irish#1]

Wonder why they waited so long. Hopefully this doesn't affect him in the Spring. It will already hold up his development in the weight room.

Obviously I have no knowledge, but probably wanted to see if it would heal on its own. If true this tells me it may not be serious and a speedy recover is in the future.

 

[drake29]

Obviously I have no knowledge, but probably wanted to see if it would heal on its own. If true this tells me it may not be serious and a speedy recover is in the future.

I have very little knowledge myself but Have had several shoulder dislocations/separations that never really properly healed. I wouldn't think it would take 3 weeks to get an MRI and decide if there is substantial damage that may require surgery. I think maybe there was another factor - not that big of a deal but it's 3 weeks he'll never get back.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Wonder why they waited so long. Hopefully this doesn't affect him in the Spring. It will already hold up his development in the weight room.

I thought immediately after the injury they said he wouldn't be full go until fall? Am I conflating a different injury with his?

 

[ResLife Hero]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Irish A-to-Z: Te’von*Coney <a href="https://t.co/tXL8lx7MUW">https://t.co/tXL8lx7MUW</a></p>— Notre Dame on NBC (@NDonNBC) <a href="https://twitter.com/NDonNBC/status/743466437583339520">June 16, 2016</a></blockquote>
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FUTURE POTENTIAL

A lot of this potential is tied up in the recovery of Coney’s shoulder. While we spend most of our time worrying about football players’ knees, shoulder injuries tend to be more difficult to recover from, and the timing of Coney’s certainly wasn’t ideal.

At this point, it’s not fair to assume Coney won’t recover fully from surgery. And if he does, there’s a reason the true freshman was the next man in behind Jaylon Smith. There’s athleticism-a-plenty in Coney and his ability to jump into the two-deep also shows plenty of football acumen.

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CRYSTAL BALL

Athletically, Coney feels like the best fit for the starting job. But inevitably, this will come down to how quickly he gets back in the swing of things and how impactful Greer Martini can be in this defense.

A healthy Coney is a starter in this scheme. But his development as a player was put on hold this offseason. Coney’s still a sophomore who missed half a year in the weight room after just 61 snaps—the majority coming against UMass—so it’s hard to say he’s a better option than Martini, acknowledging that the veteran might be playing slightly out of position.

Still, this staff has a major belief that Coney will be an impact player. I’m just reluctant to think it’ll happen in 2016 until we get more information about his shoulder injury.

 

[arrowryan]

I'm assuming he's #1 on the depth chart going into Fall camp? Who is his competition? Bilal and Barajas?

 

[BobbyMac]

That's a nasty dislocation to keep Coney out till the fall. I've had a few of those. Never was shelved more than 6-8 weeks. I can see maybe holding him out of full contact in the spring but out until fall???

Don't be surprised if this is worse than expected.

Paging Dr. Kelly... paging Dr. McCulloch....

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Ding ding ding ding ding.

I've heard the opposite. That it wasn't serious and he'll be ready for spring. This according to someone close to the family.

I'm not ready to assume the worst. Not enough info yet on the severity of the injury.

It's the one's closest to the family that disappoint us the most.

I'm assuming he's #1 on the depth chart going into Fall camp? Who is his competition? Bilal and Barajas?

Martini. Never shaken, always stirring.

 

[ND Fan Vancouver]

I'm assuming he's #1 on the depth chart going into Fall camp? Who is his competition? Bilal and Barajas?

It's a little unclear as there were injuries in the spring so they moved guys around a bunch, but I believe its such:

WLB- Coney, Bilal
MLB- Morgan,
SLB- Onwaula/Martini (passing downs/situations vs running situations/option teams)

I don't really know who is playing behind Morgan at Mack. I know Barajas played there a bit in the spring and there was discussion that Martini could play Mack if needed, so….That's where things are a little cloudy. I don't think Barajas see's the field this year. He looked really out of position and easily blocked in the spring. I think he needs another year to prepare.

 

[JohnnyJasper]

Love Coney but am I the only one that has seen his snapchat history..?
Sometimes this kid scares me and I hope he stays in the right path and gears his focus to football which, as we all would expect, to be his career someday. He has a tremendous amount of potential.

 

[koonja]

Love Coney but am I the only one that has seen his snapchat history..?
Sometimes this kid scares me and I hope he stays in the right path and gears his focus to football which, as we all would expect, to be his career someday. He has a tremendous amount of potential.

His personal snaps are even worse.

 

[BobbyMac]

Love Coney but am I the only one that has seen his snapchat history..?
Sometimes this kid scares me and I hope he stays in the right path and gears his focus to football which, as we all would expect, to be his career someday. He has a tremendous amount of potential.

More worser than Justin Brent?

 

[BobbyMac]

WKG?