Another Pointless Brian Kelly Discussion Thread about the NFL

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tom Coughlin has informed his coaching staff that the Giants are making a head coaching change, source tells ESPN.</p>— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/684090400542441473">January 4, 2016</a></blockquote>
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I'm probably in a pissy Monday mood, and feel indifferent to BK leaving. Is there any doubt Swarbrick wouldn't find a stud replacement if BK bolted for the NFL?


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I'm probably in a pissy Monday mood, and feel indifferent to BK leaving. Is there any doubt Swarbrick wouldn't find a stud replacement if BK bolted for the NFL?

Count me among the doubters. Who's available? And of those, who would be willing to come operate under ND's academic and disciplinary restrictions? This would be a really bad time to have to scramble for a HC.
 

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What is the difference between "setting yourself up with a chance at a NC" and getting into the playoff? It's not easier for ND to get into the playoff- we have to be undefeated to get in. Same as the BCS.

The difference is that 1 Loss will get you in most years. The difference is there is 4 teams instead of 2. That alone means chances have increased 100%. Its less hard to get to the playoffs than the BCS Championship, but harder to make and win the Playoff NC.
 

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I'm probably in a pissy Monday mood, and feel indifferent to BK leaving. Is there any doubt Swarbrick wouldn't find a stud replacement if BK bolted for the NFL?


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Yes - a lot of doubt.
 

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Count me among the doubters. Who's available? And of those, who would be willing to come operate under ND's academic and disciplinary restrictions? This would be a really bad time to have to scramble for a HC.

It would be best to let Kelly coach one more year. Jim Tressel's show cause is up next December.....
 

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Count me among the doubters. Who's available? And of those, who would be willing to come operate under ND's academic and disciplinary restrictions? This would be a really bad time to have to scramble for a HC.

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I don't think you could even get Chip Kelly to interview at ND, let alone take the job, IF it were offered to him. The first time you tell Chip Kelly that his starting QB is suspended for the season for cheating on school work, he would stroke out.
 

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Count me among the doubters. Who's available? And of those, who would be willing to come operate under ND's academic and disciplinary restrictions? This would be a really bad time to have to scramble for a HC.

See, I think this is a bad year to be in the market for a new HC. So I'll be very bummed if Kelly leaves.

But I know someone who was on the search committee the last time we looked for a coach, and BK was not only the obvious choice and first choice for ND... but we also had all kinds of agents and coaches calling to inquire about the opening. Couple that with the poll that showed ND as the most desirable destination among Group of Five coaches, and I think it's reasonable that Swarbrick could pull a rabbit out of a hat. Throw $7mil/year at Tom Herman and does he stay at Houston? What about someone like Whittingham who doesn't get along with his AD?

I'd be anxious, but I bet Swarbrick could work some magic.
 

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He may be available, but there's no indication he has any interest in taking on the challenge of running a clean college program in a fish bowl. Not to mention there would be lots of push-back from within ND if Swarbrick decided to seriously chase a guy who fled to the NFL from a "show cause" related to serious recruiting violations.

In short, Chip to ND aint happening. Patterson and Sanford are the only two realistic successors that I'd feel optimistic about. Everyone else is either unavailable, unrealistic for ND, or a clear downgrade from Kelly.
 

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He may be available, but there's no indication he has any interest in taking on the challenge of running a clean college program in a fish bowl. Not to mention there would be lots of push-back from within ND if Swarbrick decided to seriously chase a guy who fled to the NFL from a "show cause" related to serious recruiting violations.

In short, Chip to ND aint happening. Patterson and Sanford are the only two realistic successors that I'd feel optimistic about. Everyone else is either unavailable, unrealistic for ND, or a clear downgrade from Kelly.

While I generally agree with this, I would be very interested in David Cutcliffe as well. I think he is a fantastic coach.
 

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It has often been said that one of Chip's biggest issues is that he doesn't like being around people. No way that personality trait would work at UND.
 

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Count me among the doubters. Who's available? And of those, who would be willing to come operate under ND's academic and disciplinary restrictions? This would be a really bad time to have to scramble for a HC.

I am right there with you. Would be nearly impossible to get a good coach with a proven track record. The best alternative would probably be Kyle Wittingham or Dan Mullen. Outside of those two, the list consists of people like Tom Herman, Jeff Brohm, Matt Rhule, and PJ Fleck who could be great coaches down the line, but would by a serious gamble at this point.
 

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Preseason predictions have the Irish at 8-9 wins. Then we lose our starting QB & RB before we even work up a sweat. We narrowly miss the playoffs with a depleted roster, then get rewarded with the best bowl game match-up outside of the playoffs. We lose more players and send some walking wounded in on the DL to stand up against a solid running team. Then we lose the best LB in the country early in the game.

Is there room for improvement? Of course, but given the hand dealt, I think BK and staff did alright this year.
 

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See, I think this is a bad year to be in the market for a new HC. So I'll be very bummed if Kelly leaves.

But I know someone who was on the search committee the last time we looked for a coach, and BK was not only the obvious choice and first choice for ND... but we also had all kinds of agents and coaches calling to inquire about the opening. Couple that with the poll that showed ND as the most desirable destination among Group of Five coaches, and I think it's reasonable that Swarbrick could pull a rabbit out of a hat. Throw $7mil/year at Tom Herman and does he stay at Houston? What about someone like Whittingham who doesn't get along with his AD?

I'd be anxious, but I bet Swarbrick could work some magic.

This is my thinking. I don't want Kelly to leave but I put my faith in Swarbrick. Either he'll find a way to keep everyone intact or he'll find a suitor. I just hope our class stays intact. We are building a very strong roster and it keeps looking better, we have loads of talent and experience.
 

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I'm probably in a pissy Monday mood, and feel indifferent to BK leaving. Is there any doubt Swarbrick wouldn't find a stud replacement if BK bolted for the NFL?


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Count me among the doubters. Who's available? And of those, who would be willing to come operate under ND's academic and disciplinary restrictions? This would be a really bad time to have to scramble for a HC.

Yes - a lot of doubt.


I don't think Kelly is perfect, but I feel strongly that he shouldn't be replaced unless the University is CERTAIN that someone exceptional is available and would take the slot. It would be a huge mistake to dump Kelly and then replace him with the guy from Duke or some defensive coordinator from Outer Slobovia. He's way better than any of the options I'm aware of being possibly available (haven't heard that Herman would leave, eg).

Anyway, I think we're engaged in an academic discussion; Swarbrick has no interest in firing and then trying to replace a coach who was one win away from the playoffs.
 

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Preseason predictions have the Irish at 8-9 wins. Then we lose our starting QB & RB before we even work up a sweat. We narrowly miss the playoffs with a depleted roster, then get rewarded with the best bowl game match-up outside of the playoffs. We lose more players and send some walking wounded in on the DL to stand up against a solid running team. Then we lose the best LB in the country early in the game.

Is there room for improvement? Of course, but given the hand dealt, I think BK and staff did alright this year.

I agree that Kelly did a good job but most preseason predictions had us better than 8-9 wins. We were ranked #11 in both AP and Coaches poll and SI had us in the playoffs. Most here thought 10 wins was the floor with talent we had coming back.
 

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Wasn't sure whether to post this here or in the "ND Quick Hits" thread:

I hope we get field turf

And, a stadium expansion (with suites and a mega screen)

I doubt Chris Martin plays a down for ND

Before he goes, can we finally get a thread together to determine if Kelly REALLY is a good coach?

I am certain that Jon Gruden will be his replacement (almost guaranteed since his Dad was an assistant at Notre Dame)

I am thinking of taking up reading: has anyone heard of the compilation of books titled "Song of Ice and Fire"?

Oh and BTW, New Year's Eve I met this girl....and I was hoping to get some advice on relationships from a bunch of anonymous posters on a message board....
 

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He may be available, but there's no indication he has any interest in taking on the challenge of running a clean college program in a fish bowl. Not to mention there would be lots of push-back from within ND if Swarbrick decided to seriously chase a guy who fled to the NFL from a "show cause" related to serious recruiting violations.

In short, Chip to ND aint happening. Patterson and Sanford are the only two realistic successors that I'd feel optimistic about. Everyone else is either unavailable, unrealistic for ND, or a clear downgrade from Kelly.

Lame Kitten??? Seems he's turning the corner under Satan. OK, maybe I just want to see Layla in a blue and gold short dress.

Preseason predictions have the Irish at 8-9 wins. Then we lose our starting QB & RB before we even work up a sweat. We narrowly miss the playoffs with a depleted roster, then get rewarded with the best bowl game match-up outside of the playoffs. We lose more players and send some walking wounded in on the DL to stand up against a solid running team. Then we lose the best LB in the country early in the game.

Is there room for improvement? Of course, but given the hand dealt, I think BK and staff did alright this year.

This... IIRC, I feared getting run out of the thread when I predicted 10 wins last preseason.... For the record, I don't think BK is "elite", but I do think he's about as good as ND is going to get. EVER. And I do think he's the best chance for an ND natty in the next 5-6 years. The stars will need to align, we'll have to luck out with a few five star southern boys on the recruiting trail, need some luck on the field, and a new defensive scheme (where DLs don't drop back, and DBs and LBs can play without understanding astrophysics), but it can be done IMO with BK.
 

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I don't think Kelly is going to the NFL this offseason, given his various comments last week. But if he were, as much as I respect Swarbrick, I think he would have a hard time finding a good replacement. It's just too late in the cycle for most college coaches. And what NFL-type coach - aside from maybe maybe Chip Kelly - would even consider the job?
You'd have to hire a retread or throw money into breaking a contract for someone like Herman (and then scramble to build a staff late). Neither are good situations.
 

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“I really feel like I’m at the level,” Kelly said. “I know the NFL gets that notoriety because it’s professional sports, but it doesn’t mean necessarily it has it right in all facets. I think college football has it right for me, because for me it’s coach centric where I control the scholarships. I control the roster. Not that I’m a control freak, but this is my 25th year as a head coach.

“So doing it for so long, I like to be able to know what’s going on in the front office. Those are my biggest concerns sometimes. There’s so much turnover in the NFL. There’s the lack of continuity. In every great business there has to be some change, but continuity is important and I’ve always liked the continuity. And at Notre Dame we’ve got great structure. Great continuity. Great athletic director. Great president. So that’s why there’s no need to go chase anything else. I’m in a great situation at Notre Dame.”

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“Let’s go back to the basics of playing team sports,” Kelly said. “Let’s go compete. Let those two guys go compete and see who the better guy is. We know they’re both great competitors. They’re great kids. They both can play at a high level, but we’re gonna go let them compete and find out who the starting quarterback can be.

“There’s no question both of them can help us win, and if it means that we play both of them, well, maybe that’s what happens. But we’re gonna let them both go compete.”

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“I really feel like I’m at the level,” Kelly said. “I know the NFL gets that notoriety because it’s professional sports, but it doesn’t mean necessarily it has it right in all facets. I think college football has it right for me, because for me it’s coach centric where I control the scholarships. I control the roster. Not that I’m a control freak, but this is my 25th year as a head coach.

“So doing it for so long, I like to be able to know what’s going on in the front office. Those are my biggest concerns sometimes. There’s so much turnover in the NFL. There’s the lack of continuity. In every great business there has to be some change, but continuity is important and I’ve always liked the continuity. And at Notre Dame we’ve got great structure. Great continuity. Great athletic director. Great president. So that’s why there’s no need to go chase anything else. I’m in a great situation at Notre Dame.”

Was watching at lunch as he stated this. I do feel the Eagles thing was an exploration interview for him and he didn't like what he found. BK will be here a few more years IMO.
 

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Was watching at lunch as he stated this. I do feel the Eagles thing was an exploration interview for him and he didn't like what he found. BK will be here a few more years IMO.

I don't know if it was exploration or he didn't hear what he wanted to hear, but regardless, I think it at least validated where he's at as the right place to be for now. I agree that he'll stick around for a while.
 

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I can see how the fact most teams arent going to turn over personnel decision in full until you have proven yourself, coupled with reality that you might not even get the chance to prove yourself past 1-2 years, isn't something you wanna do after 25 years as a coach.

Eagles didnt have the most salary effective roster at the time either.

Another couple years at ND, who knows what situations will be available to him.

Hopefully ND will keep him as long as he wants to be here, IMO.
 

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I think Kelly knows he is close now to having a team capable of winning a title. I think he will be here until he wins a title or is told his services are no longer needed.

And I really don't see the animosity any of you hold for him. I grew up with ND getting pounded by pretty much any good team. That is not the case anymore. Frankly, I am not entirely sure Meyer or Saban or anyone would do much better here.
 
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