Missouri Football Players to Strike

[Whiskeyjack]

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It's amazing how much Chappelle borrowed from Eddie.

 

[Woneone]

Beats me. He decided to resign. I'm sure he'll find a job and or retire with his big fat benifits and pension package that conservatives hate.

University of Missouri employee payroll 2014-2015 : News

He's being paid less than $50,000 through the University.

But yea, for such a prestigious, and well paying, position, I'm sure his benefits package will be outstanding...

 

[Monk]

You're making a bunch of assumptions. This guy is going to have another high paying job in short order and the fact that he resigned so easily proves to me that he knows it. How about we revisit this in a month. If dude is slumming it with Sark then I'll buy into the whole "his life was ruined" nonsense.

You guys have a pretty interesting idea of what equates to having ones life being "ruined".

I'm not saying the guys life is ruined, but it is 90% closer to ruined then a minor inconvenience. Also you keep telling everyone they are making assumptions and in the very next line make an assumption for your point. He may or may not get another high paying job. That job may or may not come with the same salary and benefits as the original job. He may or may not be able to sustain his current life style. We have no idea what kind of expenses he has built up with the thought he has this high paying job to pay for them. He will not be on the side of the street, but that does not mean his life and the life of his family was not drastically changed by this situation.

 

[IrishinSyria]

I'm not saying the guys life is ruined, but it is 90% closer to ruined then a minor inconvenience. Also you keep telling everyone they are making assumptions and in the very next line make an assumption for your point. He may or may not get another high paying job. That job may or may not come with the same salary and benefits as the original job. He may or may not be able to sustain his current life style. We have no idea what kind of expenses he has built up with the thought he has this high paying job to pay for them. He will not be on the side of the street, but that does not mean his life and the life of his family was not drastically changed by this situation.

He was in the job for a year after a career of being a tech executive. It's not like he built his career in academia. He'll be fine.

 

[Monk]

University of Missouri employee payroll 2014-2015 : News

He's being paid less than $50,000 through the University.

But yea, for such a prestigious, and well paying, position, I'm sure his benefits package will be outstanding...

University of Missouri employee payroll 2014-2015 : News

I think this is the one you were looking for, or am I mistaken?

 

[woolybug25]

I'm not debating what the students did or did not face. I'm taking issue with the all the hand ringing going on over some rich school president who resigned in the face of criticism. Not exactly Oedipus the King material.

First of all, he's not "rich". His salary may seem high to you, but it's quite possible that he won't be able to make nearly as much now in a different career. He earned the position he had, and now he is unhireable for that position. Just because he can go get a sales gig still, doesn't mean his world didn't get turned upside down. Certainly more so than some rich teenager wanting to make him a sacrificial lamb over his youthful idealism. You said that the kids situation was what was tragic, that is simply untrue. Stealing a man's career from him, one he fairly earned, is the true injustice.

It drives me crazy when people act like it's somehow fair to take things from successful people simply because they are successful. A loss is a loss, regardless.

 

[Bluto]

University of Missouri employee payroll 2014-2015 : News

I think this is the one you were looking for, or am I mistaken?

I think he was looking for the pay scale for the professor who quit.

 

[Monk]

He was in the job for a year after a career of being a tech executive. It's not like he built his career in academia. He'll be fine.

The whole point of the post was that none of use know for sure whether he will be fine or not, but it is much more than a minor inconvenience. Once you get a word like racism associated with your name, rightfully so or not, it is not going to open any doors for you. That is a fact.

 

[Bluto]

First of all, he's not "rich". His salary may seem high to you, but it's quite possible that he won't be able to make nearly as much now in a different career. He earned the position he had, and now he is unhireable for that position. Just because he can go get a sales gig still, doesn't mean his world didn't get turned upside down. Certainly more so than some rich teenager wanting to make him a sacrificial lamb over his youthful idealism. You said that the kids situation was what was tragic, that is simply untrue. Stealing a man's career from him, one he fairly earned, is the true injustice.

It drives me crazy when people act like it's somehow fair to take things from successful people simply because they are successful. A loss is a loss, regardless.

I did not say any of the students situations were "tragic". I have said consistently that this guys situation in my opinion is not. Like I said before if this guy is working at McDonalds in a year I will come back and apologize for my insensitivity and triggering behavior as it relates to the wealthy.

 

[woolybug25]

He was in the job for a year after a career of being a tech executive. It's not like he built his career in academia. He'll be fine.

Who are you to decide that he's "fine"? Life is about more than money, and if it wasn't, he wouldn't have gotten into academia. This entitled attitude of some of you is appalling. Justifying taking a man's chosen career from him is tragic, it doesn't make it less so because of past success. If anything, it ls worse. He chose less money to pursue a passion and it seems like a great deal of people think it's fair to take it from him simply because he can get a different job. It's bullshit and I hope none of you have to have that situation happen to you. I'm guessing you won't discount it and say "I'll be fine" when the shoes are on the other foot.

 

[woolybug25]

I did not say any of the students situations were "tragic". I have said consistently that this guys situation in my opinion is not.

You didn't?

It sucks. But attempting to equate the suckiness of the situation of a fellow who was forced to resign due to his inability to engage with and deescalate the situation between himself and as it turns out a rather powerful group of his black constituents with true "tragedy", which seems to be the narrative here, is rediculous.

 

[Legacy]

The whole ordeal is ridiculous. And I find it funny that those out here on IE who defended this mess are nowhere to be found in the thread. Maybe next time something of this magnitude shows up, people will actually take the time to vet it before lives start to get ruined. And maybe next time, our fellow posters will show back up and call for the resignation of those responsible for the mess.

Just catching up.

TTT,
Seems like you are very critical of those who disagree with you.

As for me, when the football players' strike was over and this thread began getting political overtones about the state of America today with a lot of speculationo, I lost interest. Engage in that if you feel like it.

 

[Bluto]

You didn't?

No you are misreading what I stated. Maybe due to lack of punctuation. Probably should have used a comma after constituents. My point being his situation sucks. It's not tragic and trying to equate a kind of sucky situation with true tragedy (9/11, Emitt Till...for example) is rediculous.

 

[Irish#1]

The schools former president didn't get his life "ruined". It's not like he's doing 25 to life in the federal pen or got kicked to skid row. He resigned from one high paying job and will be in line for another in short order. It's more like he has had to deal with some minor inconveniences.

How old are you, 15? Losing any job is not a minor inconvenience and there are not that many positions available for him to simply "get another job". There are hundreds of people applying for these type of positions. Then there is the salary. What if it is less? Is he and his family positioned to absorb a loss of income? More than likely they'll have to move if he finds another position. That in itself is a daunting task. What about the rest of the family?

 

[kmoose]

No you are misreading what I stated. Maybe due to lack of punctuation. Probably should have used a comma after constituents. My point being his situation sucks. It's not tragic and trying to equate a kind of sucky situation with true tragedy (9/11, Emitt Till...for example) is rediculous.

I don't think it is tragic, either. But, if you are comparing tragic-ness...... you are just as guilty, yourself. The murder of one 14 year old black boy for simply flirting with a white woman is tragic, yes......... but it pales in comparison to 9/11, where 2,996 people lost their lives. 3,000 children lost at least one parent, 1300 of those were orphaned. Trying to equate those two might be just as ridiculous.

 

[Bluto]

Who are you to decide that he's "fine"? Life is about more than money, and if it wasn't, he wouldn't have gotten into academia. This entitled attitude of some of you is appalling. Justifying taking a man's chosen career from him is tragic, it doesn't make it less so because of past success. If anything, it ls worse. He chose less money to pursue a passion and it seems like a great deal of people think it's fair to take it from him simply because he can get a different job. It's bullshit and I hope none of you have to have that situation happen to you. I'm guessing you won't discount it and say "I'll be fine" when the shoes are on the other foot.

So who really took this guys career? It wasn't the students in my estimation. It was the Board of Curators who saw the looming loss of football revenue (along with other previous missteps in regards to graduate and research assistant healthcare and the handling of the schools ties to Planned Parenthood) and threw this guy under the bus. Maybe this guy just kind of sucked at his job and this was the culmination of his bungaling.

 

[NDgradstudent]

He was in the job for a year after a career of being a tech executive. It's not like he built his career in academia. He'll be fine.

So even if his firing was unjust, it is acceptable as collateral damage in the War on Racism.

 

[Bluto]

I don't think it is tragic, either. But, if you are comparing tragic-ness...... you are just as guilty, yourself. The murder of one 14 year old black boy for simply flirting with a white woman is tragic, yes......... but it pales in comparison to 9/11, where 2,996 people lost their lives. 3,000 children lost at least one parent, 1300 of those were orphaned. Trying to equate those two might be just as ridiculous.

I find death at the hands of fanatics to be tragic regardless of scale. I'm not comparing tragicness. I'm stating that this guys current circumstance doesn't even qualify.

 

[gkIrish]

I find the death at the hands of fanatics to be tragic regardless of scale. I'm not comparing tragicness. I'm stating that this guys current circumstance doesn't even qualify.

People have killed themselves over much less serious allegations/situations. I get that you think money solves all problems but I'm guessing reputation & family have little importance to you.

 

[kmoose]

So who really took this guys career? It wasn't the students in my estimation. It was the Board of Curators who saw the looming loss of football revenue (along with other previous missteps in regards to graduate and research assistant healthcare and the handling of the schools ties to Planned Parenthood) and threw this guy under the bus. Maybe this guy just kind of sucked at his job and this was the culmination of his bungaling.

Do you think that some of the students cried wolf, not on the mere existence of racism in and around the campus, but on the extent of it? In some cases, it appears to be clear that allegations and circumstances were completely fabricated.

 

[woolybug25]

So who really took this guys career? It wasn't the students in my estimation. It was the Board of Curators who saw the looming loss of football revenue (along with other previous missteps in regards to graduate and research assistant healthcare and the handling of the schools ties to Planned Parenthood) and threw this guy under the bus. Maybe this guy just kind of sucked at his job and this was the culmination of his bungaling.

You can "chicken or the egg" the situation all you want, but the student group specifically demanded that he resign (in addition to demanding he admit to his "white privilege"). This, after they followed him around campus with angry mobs for a few days. So you can call it being pressured to resign or him just deciding to do so under his own discourse. Either way, the situation would never existed if this group of students didn't publicly demand it.

 

[ACamp1900]

This makes the season premiere of South Park even better... talk about nailing it.

 

[Bluto]

Do you think that some of the students cried wolf, not on the mere existence of racism in and around the campus, but on the extent of it? In some cases, it appears to be clear that allegations and circumstances were completely fabricated.

It's definately within the realm of possibility. What seems to have gotten the ball rolling was this fellows inability to make time to meet with the student body president regarding the issue and things escalated from there.

 

[Bluto]

People have killed themselves over much less serious allegations/situations. I get that you think money solves all problems but I'm guessing reputation & family have little importance to you.

Last I heard this guy hadn't done any of that. Yes having lots of money makes moving and quitting your job much easier. You're right family and reputation mean nothing to me.

 

[Bluto]

How old are you, 15? Losing any job is not a minor inconvenience and there are not that many positions available for him to simply "get another job". There are hundreds of people applying for these type of positions. Then there is the salary. What if it is less? Is he and his family positioned to absorb a loss of income? More than likely they'll have to move if he finds another position. That in itself is a daunting task. What about the rest of the family?

Let's assume that I am. That means you are arguing with a teenager on the internet.

 

[kmoose]

It's definately within the realm of possibility. What seems to have gotten the ball rolling was this fellows inability to make time to meet with the student body president regarding the issue and things escalated from there.

When did he refuse to meet with Head?

So "it's definitely within the realm of possibility" that the Student Body President IS working with the Missouri National Guard to combat the problem of the KKK being on campus? Even though Head himself admitted that the information was false?

 

[woolybug25]

It's definately within the realm of possibility. What seems to have gotten the ball rolling was this fellows inability to make time to meet with the student body president regarding the issue and things escalated from there.

Wolfe met with Concerned Students 1950 on October 26th. He discussed their list of demands specifically. If you're going to paint him as someone that didn't do his job, you should at least know the facts.

Geez man...

 

[Bluto]

Wolfe met with Concerned Students 1950 on October 26th. He discussed their list of demands specifically. If you're going to paint him as someone that didn't do his job, you should at least know the facts.

Geez man...

It is my understanding that this situation had been brewing for several months. When he decided to tackle it head on and take it seriously (what three weeks ago?) it appears to have been too little too late. Sounds like he failed to recognize the gravity of the situation and address it in a timely manner and was left holding the bag. It also sounds like he pissed off a bunch of different stakeholders (that had nothing to do with race) and they formed a coalition to sack him.

 

[kmoose]

It is my understanding that this situation had been brewing for several months. When he decided to tackle it head on and take it seriously (what three weeks ago?) it appears to have been too little too late. Sounds like he failed to recognize the gravity of the situation and address it in a timely manner and got left holding the bag.

If you believe a few people who are known(or highly suspect) liars...

 

[Bluto]

When did he refuse to meet with Head?

So "it's definitely within the realm of possibility" that the Student Body President IS working with the Missouri National Guard to combat the problem of the KKK being on campus? Even though Head himself admitted that the information was false?

I'm not really sure what you're asking me or where you're going with this.