[NFL] vBook: Colts vs Patriots (Deflategate)

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Do you think the NFL likes this type of publicity? To me, it's unbelievable that something inconsequential like PSI is now going to end up in Federal court. I can't imagine how the NFL could have screwed this up any more, that's why I think they secretly like all the publicity.

I think they like it because of how unimportant it is. What's a better storyline for the NFL this spring and summer? A deflation cheating scandal or players retiring early due to concussions?
 

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Here is something I will be listening to in the morning. As is pointed out in the piece, pretty much the only reason why this whole thing became a big deal with the public is because of initial leaks out of the League office - reports which were later proven to be erroneous. If the actual facts had come out at the beginning, everyone would agree this whole ordeal is insane. But it is almost impossible to kill the momentum of a public narrative once it gains traction, no matter whether it is proven false later on.

I tend to think of the NFL c-suite as being pretty incompetent, but I have to acknowledge that they have run a pretty impressive smear campaign.

Mortensen to address initial #DeflateGate report on WEEI | ProFootballTalk

Bailed on the show of course.

Mortensen pulls plug on WEEI appearance | ProFootballTalk

Apparently, only 11 of 12 reminders about his WEEI appearance to Chris Mortensen went through.

Mortensen was scheduled to appear on the Dennis & Callahan show at 7:45 a.m. ET, but he has canceled.

“You guys made a mistake by drumming up business for the show and how I would address my reporting for the first time,” Mortensen informed WEEI. “I will not allow WEEI, [Patriots owner Robert] Kraft or anybody to make me the centerpiece of a story that has been misreported far beyond anything I did in the first 48 hours. Maybe when the lawsuit is settled, in Brady’s favor, I hope, we can revisit. Don’t call.”

They tried to call him anyway. No answer.

I like and respect Mort. As Adam Schefter of ESPN said on WEEI on Thursday, Mortensen is a pioneer in this business. But his false report should be the centerpiece of the story. Because without that false report there is no story. More specifically, without that false report, there is no finding of cheating.

The false report instantly changed the narrative from “the NFL checked the Patriots footballs at halftime” to “someone deflated 11 of the 12 the Patriots footballs by two pounds each; what did Brady and Belichick know?” It made another Ted Wells investigation logical, it put the Patriots on the defensive, and it kept the Patriots from responding to the accurate PSI readings by pointing out that, on one of the two air-pressure gauges used, they fall squarely within the range expected by the Ideal Gas Law.

On Thursday, Schefter suggested that Mort was given false information by one or more high-level NFL officials. On Tuesday, the circumstances suggested that Stephen A. Smith of ESPN was given true information by one or more high-level NFL officials to introduce to the public the notion that “Tom Brady destroyed his cellphone.”

This would be a perfect topic for an ESPN Outside the Lines investigation as to how the NFL manipulated the media on multiple occasions for P.R. purposes. If only a couple of prominent ESPN employees hadn’t been pulled into this mess.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/JohnDennisWEEI">@JohnDennisWEEI</a> is reporting that Mike Kensil was the source for this story. <a href="https://t.co/2uQYXqN050">https://t.co/2uQYXqN050</a></p>— Dennis and Callahan (@DandCShow) <a href="https://twitter.com/DandCShow/status/627092455360471040">July 31, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Would also love if the Kensil rumors got some media attention finally.
 

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Mortensen pulls plug on WEEI appearance | ProFootballTalk

Mort saying he hopes the suit is settled in Brady's favor.

"I will not allow WEEI, [Patriots owner Robert] Kraft or anybody to make me the centerpiece of a story that has been misreported far beyond anything I did in the first 48 hours. Maybe when the lawsuit is settled, in Brady’s favor, I hope, we can revisit. Don’t call."
 

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Sometimes the cover up is worse than the offense. Brady should have basically stated he liked his footballs at the lower end of the league spec. The PSI fell slightly under that and could have been due to weather, etc., and through no ill will on his part to gain an advantage. Maybe the NFL throws a small fine at the Pats, closes it out, and Brady's image stays the same.

But the fact that he looked like a liar in his presser, and the fact that he destroyed his cell phone, is poor optics, whether he is guilty of anything or not. He had his chance to clear the air early on... he blew it. Now, he and the NFL has this stupid cloud hanging over their heads.

Bottom line for me is this. The Pats have always pushed the limits on the rules. And crossed the line on an occasion or two. Nothing that comes from this incident will change my mind about the organization or Brady. While he is a first ballot HOF'er and the Pats are a great football dynasty, there will always be that little bug in my ear saying " Yeah... but."

Very easy to say that now that we know the facts, but the whole story spiraled out of control with the Mort Report story of 11 balls 2+ PSI below regulation. I don't think the public would have stood for an "aw shucks" press conference at the time when the team was scrambling to figure out why the footballs were so deflated. They even received a letter from the NFL stating that the footballs were as low as 10.1....they (and the public) were told they were guilty and told to explain themselves pretty much.
 

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Very easy to say that now that we know the facts, but the whole story spiraled out of control with the Mort Report story of 11 balls 2+ PSI below regulation. I don't think the public would have stood for an "aw shucks" press conference at the time when the team was scrambling to figure out why the footballs were so deflated. They even received a letter from the NFL stating that the footballs were as low as 10.1....they (and the public) were told they were guilty and told to explain themselves pretty much.

I don't think the general public really gave a crap at the time. It was apparent that the deflated balls did little to help Brady in the first half of the game. What hurt Brady and the Pats was a couple of things: 1: They have been caught before cheating and 2: The Brady press conference where he looked every bit the part a liar.

End of the day, it isn't the public perception that counts. Outside the Pat fans, most view them as cheaters or at the very least an organization that plays on the edge. So who really cares what the general public thinks? Fall on the sword, admit maybe you went a little too far on the PSI and maybe didn't consider the weather as a potential factor, and then pay a $25,000 fine and move on. Pretty simple to me.
 

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I don't think the general public really gave a crap at the time. It was apparent that the deflated balls did little to help Brady in the first half of the game. What hurt Brady and the Pats was a couple of things: 1: They have been caught before cheating and 2: The Brady press conference where he looked every bit the part a liar.

End of the day, it isn't the public perception that counts. Outside the Pat fans, most view them as cheaters or at the very least an organization that plays on the edge. So who really cares what the general public thinks? Fall on the sword, admit maybe you went a little too far on the PSI and maybe didn't consider the weather as a potential factor, and then pay a $25,000 fine and move on. Pretty simple to me.

My part of the country definitely was most obsessed with the story, but the general public most definitely cared. Even before the Brady press conference it was a national story. It dominated ESPN but was also one of the lead stories on every national news station. You had every morning talk show covering it, with people saying Brady should be suspended for the Super Bowl. There were more than a few people saying the Colts should go instead (not sports reporters but idiot news hosts). Kravitz, the Indy guy who broke the story original said that Kraft should fire Belichick. This IMO was not a story that was going to go away. Maybe if this were another team it would, but this is the equivalent of a scandal at ND or at Bama. The public wasn't just going to let this go. If he admitted to it, the calls for him to be suspended for the Super Bowl would have been overwhelming.

The Patriots 100% could've handled it better. Brady looked terrible in his press conference. Kraft demanded an apology very vocally. The league clearly felt compelled to act strongly due to that.

The false Mortensen report threw gasoline on the fire completely. Without that, there is no story here, but things spiraled out of control after that tweet with fault on the Patriots side and the NFL side. There was no way in hell this was ever going to result in a 25k fine with the amount of pressure Goodell was under to hammer the Patriots since most think they got off easy with Spygate.

Also, of course he looked guilty as hell with what the false report said and the letter from the NFL stating the footballs were as low as 10.1, I don't know what he could have said. Without the Mort false story, he could have easily gotten through the interview, but he had no chance once everyone assumed that story was true.
 
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Judge Berman takes full control of Brady case | ProFootballTalk

Good rundown on where things stand legally right now:

First, it’s clear that the judge has been studying the case and knows the issues. He probably already has an idea regarding how he would rule on the case; there’s really not much either side can do to change his mind in only 15, double-spaced pages.

Second, he’s determined to get the case settled. By directing the two sides to engage in “comprehensive, good-faith settlement discussions” before the first of not one but two settlement conferences with Judge Berman presiding, he expects the parties to arrive at the first conference with their latest settlement positions clearly established (e.g., NFL at a two-game suspension and an acknowledgement of guilt and Brady at a two-game fine and no acknowledgement of guilt). At that point, Judge Berman will then have two opportunities to pressure the side that needs to be pressured the most (and it possibly will be both sides that need pressure) to resolve the case before he issues a ruling.

Third, the invitation to utilize the services of Magistrate Judge James C. Francis IV to assist in any settlement talks before August 12 isn’t an invitation. If they don’t take Judge Berman up on the offer, he won’t be happy — unless they can settle the case without using Judge Francis as the facilitator/mediator of settlement discussions over the next 11 days.

Fourth, and as surmised on Friday, Judge Berman expects Goodell and Brady to appear in court for both conferences on August 12 and 19. Whoever resists showing up on either of those days does so at his own peril.

For Brady, it will mean missing two days of work. Although the team’s training-camp schedule hasn’t been announced beyond August 3, August 12 comes one day before the preseason opener against the Packers, at Gillette Stadium. On August 19, the Patriots will be in the middle of a three-day visit to West Virginia, for joint practices with the Saints.

For Goodell, it will mean shuffling whatever schedule he already has in place for those days. The NFL’s lawyers will likely tell him that nothing is more important than showing up for the conferences with Judge Berman.

Fifth, it’s clear that Judge Berman won’t be inclined to keep any documents under seal, based on this sentence: “I always have considerable difficulty approving any sealed documents, given the keen public interest in these matters and the public’s right to know.” In other words, the full transcript of the Tom Brady appeal hearing eventually will be released, if the case isn’t settled.

That’s a win for the NFLPA and Brady. Although the NFL would say that the parties agreed to seal the transcript, a source with knowledge of the situation tells PFT that the NFLPA agreed to seal the transcript at the insistence of the NFL.

The best way to keep the transcript from ever being released to the public (barring a leak) would be to settle the case before the judge has to decide whether to approve the filing of the transcript under seal. And Judge Berman knows that. And now the NFL and NFLPA know that he knows that.

I’m tempted to think the case could settle this week, without Goodell and Brady having to appear before Judge Berman. But if the two sides are at an impasse over whether a settlement would include a suspension of any duration, it won’t be easy to break that log jam without getting an idea of how Judge Berman feels about what amounts to an all-or-nothing proposition decision in court.

Eventually, Judge Berman may have to privately inform the side against which he’s inclined to rule that it will either accept the best deal it can get, or it will get nothing and like it.
 

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The whole transcript from Brady's appeal is out now. I'm sure there will be some good summaries tomorrow, but it doesn't make Goodell look great from the excerpts I've seen floating around. Curious how strongly ESPN will cover it though...
 

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Goodell and his lawyers are idiots for making that obvious of a mistake. That's pretty inexplicable for what should be top-notch lawyers that the NFL employs. Also, there's no way the other NFL owners are happy this is still dragging out and now the appeal hearing is out there for everyone to see. There are also emails from the Ravens and Colts included, which I'm sure annoys those owners (hey John Harbaugh, I thought you guys didn't talk with the Colts at all before the AFC Championship game?), and there's no way this transcript makes the NFL look good at all in the public eye which is probably why the league asked to have it sealed.

The NFL was definitely winning the PR-war up until Kraft decided he had enough and IMO there's been a definite shift. Most people decided day one if the Pats were guilty or innocent, but the media seems to have slowly caught up to Goodell's game the past week. I think Goodell is one more big eff-up away from finally losing his job. I know the NFL is making more money than ever, but these owners must realize anyone can be Commissioner and the league will keep making more and more money.

Whether you're a Pats-hater or not, complete scum move by the league to leak the Brady phone story to Screamin A. Smith (the only person who would hear that news and run to a camera as opposed to vetting the source), then lead the upheld appeal letter with the destroyed phone evidence (which Wells said Brady wouldn't be penalized for not handing over), and not even include Brady's reasoning for replacing his phone.
 
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It Is What It Is » SI legal expert Michael McCann on D&C: After reading Tom Brady appeal transcript, ‘I don’t understand why he’s being suspended’

Believed this whole time he wouldn't serve any suspension, and I am more confident of that now than ever.

This is from SI's Michael McCann:

After seeing the transcripts of Brady’s appeal hearing that were released Tuesday, McCann said he has altered his thinking and now can’t make sense of why Brady is facing a four-game suspension.

“I don’t understand why he’s being suspended, at the end of the day,” McCann said. “And I say that because, let’s look at the testimony. He categorically denied any wrongdoing. So from that you have the fact that the standard is preponderance of evidence more likely than not, you have his denial. Then you have the absence of evidence contradicting him. Some people said, ‘€˜Oh, he was a little evasive.’ Well, if you ask someone the same question 12 times they’re going to come up with slightly different answers and you might contend that they’re somehow being evasive because their answers aren’t the same each time. Well, that’s human nature, our answers are never the same each time.

“I look at this testimony and I say for all the failing the NFL has, the bizarre process they use, at the end of the day where is the evidence Tom Brady participated in a ball-deflation scheme? I don’t see it. Then you’re left with, OK, was he cooperative? Well, Ted Wells found him sufficiently cooperative. You have Ted Wells saying he is. Why would that would even warrant a suspension if he isn’t as cooperative as he should have been? This doesn’t add up to me.”

McCann noted that Judge Richard Berman’s job is to determine if the league overstepped its authority or mismanaged the situation, not if it penalized Brady too harshly. But after seeing the appeal transcript, McCann said Berman likely will have some concerns to address with the league when the sides get together for settlement talks.

“Initially my expectation was that he would tell Tom Brady in essence, ‘€˜Look, this may not be fair, but the CBA gives Roger Goodell wide latitude. And even if I’m not sure about the allegations against you, it looks like the league has discretion.’ But after reading the testimony, I’m really leaning in the other direction. I’m think the judge is going to tell the NFL this was a kangaroo court. You have the cross-examiner also involved with the preparation of the so-called independent report that clearly wasn’t independent. You have categorical denials by the person who’s alleged to have done the wrongdoing. You have the lack of evidence contradicting those denials.

“I just don’t see, as deferential as the court will be to the NFL, where’s the actual evidence? What is the reasoning that led the NFL to suspending Tom Brady? And if I’m a judge, I’m going to have some hard questions for the NFL.”

McCann predicts Brady ultimately will end up with no more than a one-game suspension.

“I think there’s a good chance it will get settled in a couple of weeks. I don’t think it’s going to go to a [judge’s] decision,” McCann said. “I think right now they’re probably negotiating between a fine and one game, and there’s probably an argument over that. Before I thought maybe Brady would maybe agree to a two-game suspension, but after reading this transcript I’m of the belief that Brady should hold out until he gets it down to a fine.”
 

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What really surprises me, is that the NFL doesn't treat the game balls the same way the treat the "K" balls for the kickers. In 1999 the "K" balls came into play because kickers liked to add pressure to make them explode more. A few years back Manning and Brady petitioned the league to allow teams to use their own balls. The NFL decided to allow this. I'll bet the league and Brady both wished they had never changed the rule.
 

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This whole thing is a mess. I don't think I believe a word anyone (NFL or Patriots or Wells) says anymore.
 

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This whole thing is a mess. I don't think I believe a word anyone (NFL or Patriots or Wells) says anymore.

I agree. I'm biased and I think the issue is so trivial that I don't mind the Patriots/Brady being sketchy about covering up some things considering the media sh!tstorm that broke out, but this league is just ridiculous. It's amusing to me the NFL wanted the appeal hearing sealed while Brady/Kessler asked for the records released the very day of the appeal...then the NFL leaked to a NFL reporter that Brady wanted them sealed when they thought that they would never be made public.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Unsealing of Brady hearing is a mushroom cloud for THE Roger Goodell. He’s done, as far as credibility. Will not recover.</p>— Sally Jenkins (@sallyjenx) <a href="https://twitter.com/sallyjenx/status/629126917099253760">August 6, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Then there is this: If I came off as stupid as the <a href="https://twitter.com/NFL">@NFL</a> I’d want to seal all transcripts too.</p>— Sally Jenkins (@sallyjenx) <a href="https://twitter.com/sallyjenx/status/629135616509390849">August 6, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NFL didn’t know balls deflate in weather, Goodell willfully distorted Brady testimony, Wells cited client privilege. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Transcriptdisaster?src=hash">#Transcriptdisaster</a>.</p>— Sally Jenkins (@sallyjenx) <a href="https://twitter.com/sallyjenx/status/629271014548078592">August 6, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Regardless of what ends up happening in terms of reducing or eliminating Brady's punishment, I feel like enough has come out and been exposed at this point that Brady and the Pats have basically been exonerated to anyone that is paying attention and open to such a conclusion. And anyone that isn't, there was nothing Brady and the Patriots could have done about that so not worth time thinking about it. Basically no objective journalist or expert has supported what the NFL has done, and the list of those that have criticized the process and acknowledged that Brady and the Patriots were screwed is growing every day.

I just wish they had fought spygate this hard, which was an even bigger joke than this ballghazi thing. Instead, they laid down and took their medicine, trying to be the good organization and take one for the team. And they've been rewarded with a decade of people throwing it in their face and continued baseless accusations and rumors and innuendo. Of all the unfathomable things about this situation, maybe the hardest for me to understand is how Kraft made the same mistake again of laying down for the incompetent Commissioner and his staff who clearly had as a priority to take down the Patriots for absolutely nothing. At least Brady has had the balls to fight, and he's been rewarded with unimpeachable legend status and unflinching support in New England.
 
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Regardless of what ends up happening in terms of reducing or eliminating Brady's punishment, I feel like enough has come out and been exposed at this point that Brady and the Pats have basically been exonerated to anyone that is paying attention and open to such a conclusion. And anyone that isn't, there was nothing Brady and the Patriots could have done about that so not worth time thinking about it. Basically no objective journalist or expert has supported what the NFL has done, and the list of those that have criticized the process and acknowledged that Brady and the Patriots were screwed is growing every day.

I just wish they had fought spygate this hard, which was an even bigger joke than this ballghazi thing. Instead, they laid down and took their medicine, trying to be the good organization and take one for the team. And they've been rewarded with a decade of people throwing it in their face and continued baseless accusations and rumors and innuendo. Of all the unfathomable things about this situation, maybe the hardest for me to understand is how Kraft made the same mistake again of laying down for the incompetent Commissioner and his staff who clearly had as a priority to take down the Patriots for absolutely nothing. At least Brady has had the balls to fight, and he's been rewarded with unimpeachable legend status and unflinching support in New England.

Agree with everything here, but especially with Spygate. The casual NFL fan doesn't even know what Spygate entailed. The name itself makes no sense which is annoying, it's literally just filming a sideline in an area where you're not allowed to. There was no spying involved, the guy was filming the sideline for the whole world to see.

I don't think a repeat of 2007 is possible, but assuming Brady misses 1 game at the most, I think they will have a special season like the 16-0 year. I am envisioning an awful lot of blowouts this season from an angry team.
 

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You's guys...

I wish you could see yourselves in an outsider's perspective and see how fanboy you are all being.
 

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You's guys...

I wish you could see yourselves in an outsider's perspective and see how fanboy you are all being.

After seeing the transcript from the Brady appeal, I would love to hear a legitimate argument for how Brady was guilty, and/or for how the NFL gave him a fair appeal.
 

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After seeing the transcript from the Brady appeal, I would love to hear a legitimate argument for how Brady was guilty, and/or for how the NFL gave him a fair appeal.
After seeing the transcript from the Brady appeal, I would love for you to see how fanboy you all are still being.
 

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You's guys...

I wish you could see yourselves in an outsider's perspective and see how fanboy you are all being.

After seeing the transcript from the Brady appeal, I would love for you to see how fanboy you all are still being.

This... haha

Forget deflating balls,... we certainly know now who is responsible for fluffing Brady's balls around here... ;)
 

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This... haha

Forget deflating balls,... we certainly know now who is responsible for fluffing Brady's balls around here... ;)

Eh, you're almost weird if you're from New England and you wouldn't fluff his balls.
 

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Here is what I would say. The NFL so botched this thing from the beginning (having two different needles and not being sure which was used, incorrect data given out, not understanding the science behind it, leaking things, hiring an "independent" investigator who is not independent, and an appeal hearing that was laughable) that the NFL needs to just fine Brady and move on. Is there a possibility that they were breaking the rules, sure, but it is impossible to know after the way that the NFL bungled it.
 

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You's guys...

I wish you could see yourselves in an outsider's perspective and see how fanboy you are all being.

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Honestly, I am very open to hearing a well reasoned argument from the other side because I am really struggling to understand it. From where I sit, what I see is no evidence of an actual underlying "crime" and a bunch of mouth breathing football fans being manipulated into a lather by a league office that has been exposed for executing a concerted smear campaign against an unpopular franchise in a desperate attempt to distract and rebound from repeating failings by an overwhelmed and under siege commissioner.
 

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Honestly, I am very open to hearing a well reasoned argument from the other side because I am really struggling to understand it. From where I sit, what I see is no evidence of an actual underlying "crime" and a bunch of mouth breathing football fans being manipulated into a lather by a league office that has been exposed for executing a concerted smear campaign against an unpopular franchise in a desperate attempt to distract and rebound from repeating failings by an overwhelmed and under siege commissioner.

I would also like to hear any argument. Even if the NFL says the circumstantial evidence is convincing (it isn't), they still didn't follow protocol with their decision. The "rule" that Brady is being charged with violating is one that only applies to teams and not to players. The "tampering" rule is in a handbook given to only teams and is something that is not handed out to players. Troy Vincent in the appeal even admitted that this handbook is not given to players and that he never received it as a player in the league.

In other words....even if Brady is guilty, the rule he broke doesn't apply to players and never has in the past. There is no way in hell the NFL is going to win this case in court for a myriad of reasons, but that's just one of them for the people who will be forever convinced that Brady is guilty.
 
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