Nov 22 | Louisville

[BleedBlueGold]

Burning a redshirt with three games left is frustrating. I hope Hayes really comes on strong. It's an unfortunate situation. Look no further than Schwenke. Could've really used that kid this year.

 

[IrishLax]

Burning a redshirt with three games left is frustrating. I hope Hayes really comes on strong. It's an unfortunate situation. Look no further than Schwenke. Could've really used that kid this year.

Excellent point.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I think BK needs to shoot for 75 points tomorrow. Half kidding.

A healthy and mistake-free ND can beat up on UL. However, that is not this teams' M.O. The defense is bruised, battered, and thin. They'll probably have trouble stopping UL offensively. The offense, imo, is their only chance and they need to play mistake free and rack up the points. But it'll be difficult against UL's defense. It's just a bad matchup for this ND team, unfortunately. Can they win? Absolutely. Anything can happen and it's why we love CFB. But I'm not going to hold my breath.

 

[dublinirish]

I think BK needs to shoot for 75 points tomorrow. Half kidding.

A healthy and mistake-free ND can beat up on UL. However, that is not this teams' M.O. The defense is bruised, battered, and thin. They'll probably have trouble stopping UL offensively. The offense, imo, is their only chance and they need to play mistake free and rack up the points. But it'll be difficult against UL's defense. It's just a bad matchup for this ND team, unfortunately. Can they win? Absolutely. Anything can happen and it's why we love CFB. But I'm not going to hold my breath.

I'd actually say the opposite. The O needs to control the game, limit UL's time in possession and basically run Folston down their throats and hope the D can get some stops.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I'd actually say the opposite. The O needs to control the game, limit UL's time in possession and basically run Folston down their throats and hope the D can get some stops.

I can agree with that. It's what I'd do. But do you think BK will? LOL

 

[dublinirish]

I can agree with that. It's what I'd do. But do you think BK will? LOL

Fade to Fuller on 1st play.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Is there not another frosh that's already played who can step in? I feel like burning Hayes redshirt is completely irrational at this point in the season.

 

[dublinirish]

Is there not another frosh that's already played who can step in? I feel like burning Hayes redshirt is completely irrational at this point in the season.

Yeah I'd rather have an Oline guy play DT for a couple of snaps than burn a RS on a promising player :/

 

[wizards8507]

I feel like burning Hayes redshirt is completely irrational at this point in the season.

BK seems to think it's highly unlikely he'd need five years to be NFL-ready so the redshirt is already a waste.

2 games
Season 1
Season 2
Season 3
NFL

versus

Redshirt
Season 1
Season 2
Season 3
NFL

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Is there not another frosh that's already played who can step in? I feel like burning Hayes redshirt is completely irrational at this point in the season.

Cage, Trumbetti and Blankenship are already playing a lot. Hayes, Bonner and Jhonny Williams are the only remaining options. And if you're going to burn someone's redshirt, you might as well pick the guy who's most ready to play.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Has there been anymore comments by Kelly about the absence of Max?

He said previously that his poor play against asu caused him to play drue instead of max.

Following that logic, shouldn't someone be replacing drue?

No way max played worse than drue last week, especially when you scale down the athleticism of northwestern, relative to asu.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

I'd actually say the opposite. The O needs to control the game, limit UL's time in possession and basically run Folston down their throats and hope the D can get some stops.

I'm w/ you on this^

I'd almost rather Gardner be healthy and play vs. Bonnafon. Up tempo & a dual threat QB is a recipe for disaster for even a healthy ND defense. I still get nauseous thinking how Marquise Williams carved up the D.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Has there been anymore comments by Kelly about the absence of Max?

He said previously that his poor play against asu caused him to play drue instead of max.

Following that logic, shouldn't someone be replacing drue?

No way max played worse than drue last week, especially when you scale down the athleticism of northwestern, relative to asu.

None of the ND beat writers are going to have the sack to ask BK. Most are ND alums. None of them want their access limited. It'll probably be addressed after the game when he's trying to explain why Louisville was able to hang half a hundred on the D.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Burning a redshirt with three games left is frustrating. I hope Hayes really comes on strong. It's an unfortunate situation. Look no further than Schwenke. Could've really used that kid this year.

Hayes is supposedly a better prospect than Schwenke right? I don't know if Hayes is on the level of Nix/Tuitt or he's just trying to justify to himself & staff that it's a good move to play him. At this point, I'm wanting to limit the embarrassment as much as possible, so throw him out there if he can make an impact. If they still get boatraced, Kelly will obviously be in spin mode telling us that there's two additional games to get him more reps and avoid wasting the RS.

 

[dublinirish]

Cage, Trumbetti and Blankenship are already playing a lot. Hayes, Bonner and Jhonny Williams are the only remaining options. And if you're going to burn someone's redshirt, you might as well pick the guy who's most ready to play.

Mokwuah too.

 

[zelezo vlk]

I know that the depth is awful this year on the D line, but man, next year is gonna be great.

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[gkIrish]

Didn't Hayes early enroll? If so, this makes even more sense to me.

 

[Luckylucci]

Didn't Hayes early enroll? If so, this makes even more sense to me.

No he didn't.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Cage, Trumbetti and Blankenship are already playing a lot. Hayes, Bonner and Jhonny Williams are the only remaining options. And if you're going to burn someone's redshirt, you might as well pick the guy who's most ready to play.

Mokwuah too.

And Dickerson.

The staff is obviously in a pinch w/ DL. Can't really blame them for plugging gaps with the guy who's most ready. I just hate the situation.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Hayes is supposedly a better prospect than Schwenke right? I don't know if Hayes is on the level of Nix/Tuitt or he's just trying to justify to himself & staff that it's a good move to play him. At this point, I'm wanting to limit the embarrassment as much as possible, so throw him out there if he can make an impact. If they still get boatraced, Kelly will obviously be in spin mode telling us that there's two additional games to get him more reps and avoid wasting the RS.

I think you missed my point.

Kona played his freshman year. Perhaps out of necessity, perhaps not. Regardless, he potentially could've been playing on this year's DL as a 5Y senior. Burning redshirts this late in the season could potentially screw the pooch a few years from now IF the DL is in dire straights again. I hope that's not the case. But you get my point.

 

[dublinirish]

And Dickerson.

The staff is obviously in a pinch w/ DL. Can't really blame them for plugging gaps with the guy who's most ready. I just hate the situation.

Dickerson at UCLA?

 

[BleedBlueGold]

BK seems to think it's highly unlikely he'd need five years to be NFL-ready so the redshirt is already a waste.

2 games
Season 1
Season 2
Season 3
NFL

versus

Redshirt
Season 1
Season 2
Season 3
NFL

I agree. Obviously you want OL/DL to take a year. But if they're good enough to contribute, you unleash them and get four years out of them up front, rather than take the chance on them not coming back for a 5th. If BK really felt Hayes was as good (for a true frosh) as he's claiming now, then Jay should've been playing all along. Just my opinion.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Dickerson at UCLA?

Marquis Dickerson. Preferred walk-on. Is he still on the roster? Is he not able to be a stop-gap in combination with the freshmen who have already played?

Clearly the staff isn't throwing in the towel on the season. And I'm not suggesting they should. Playing Hayes in this desperate situation is what they should be doing. I just hate that it's come to this, this late in the season and hope it doesn't come back to bite them down the road.

 

[PANDFAN]

Marquis Dickerson. Preferred walk-on. Is he still on the roster? Is he not able to be a stop-gap in combination with the freshmen who have already played?

Clearly the staff isn't throwing in the towel on the season. And I'm not suggesting they should. Playing Hayes in this desperate situation is what they should be doing. I just hate that it's come to this, this late in the season and hope it doesn't come back to bite them down the road.

still there...jay was very close seeing the field earlier in the season as per BK and we didn't need him to burn it before but now the injuries force this...games are limited and we need the best out there...these 2 last games are not easy ones...can't afford to lose 3 games in a row or risk the recruiting class

 

[IrishLion]

I'm just really confused about what's bad enough where you get to dress... but you don't get to start... but you do get to play... but not much.

I tend to agree with LAX and others that it's a (questionable) coaching decision.

But to play devil's advocate, and to cite an example that worries me in terms of Redfield for some reason being in BK's doghouse, I'll cite Marcus Barnett, a receiver during BK's time at UC.

Here are his stat lines from 2007-2009, the three years BK was at UC:
2007 - 62 rec - 862 yards - 13 TD's
2008 - 30 rec - 277 yards - 1 TD
2009 - 10 rec - 95 yards - 1 TD

As a true freshman in 2007, as part of a veteran and very nice receiving corps, he killed it, and looked like another great to line up alongside Mardy Gilyard. Those are incredible numbers for a freshman.

However, as a sophomore and junior, he basically disappeared. He dressed and played sparingly, just as we are seeing with Redfield now, but never climbed out of the hole he was in. There was never any reason given, and BK always talked positively about him when asked about the situation, but it was clear from people close to and within the program that Barnett had done something that irritated BK. Even though he was maybe the second best receiver on the team as a sophomore and junior, he didn't play much.

So, whatever he did was just like what you referenced with Redfield. He did something, but it wasn't bad enough to keep him from dressing, and he played, but only a little bit.

Again, just playing devil's advocate. Redfield obviously didn't make a Barnett-like impact before getting this bench treatment, but the sudden and confusing decline is similar to what I witnessed back in BK's time at UC, which worries me.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

I think you missed my point.

Kona played his freshman year. Perhaps out of necessity, perhaps not. Regardless, he potentially could've been playing on this year's DL as a 5Y senior. Burning redshirts this late in the season could potentially screw the pooch a few years from now IF the DL is in dire straights again. I hope that's not the case. But you get my point.

No, I got it...I think u missed mine

My point is that Schwenke wasn't a likely bet to leave for the NFL w/ one year of eligibility remaining so we could've definitely used him had the RS not been burned late in the season (Tuitt suspension necessitated that IIRC). But BK is trying to say that he doesn't think Hayes will be around for that. He thinks Hayes would likely leave a year early for the draft so why not get him on the field now & maximize his time at ND? That's the way I read it anyway.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

No, I got it...I think u missed mine

My point is that Schwenke wasn't a likely bet to leave for the NFL w/ one year of eligibility remaining so we could've definitely used him had the RS not been burned late in the season (Tuitt suspension necessitated that IIRC). But BK is trying to say that he doesn't think Hayes will be around for that. He thinks Hayes would likely leave a year early for the draft so why not get him on the field now & maximize his time at ND? That's the way I read it anyway.

If that's the case, BK should've been playing him sparingly all season. If you think you'll only get 4 years at best from a kid, and you think he's good enough to contribute in some fashion even as a true freshmen, then he should play.

I get that it's a tough call to make. You'd prefer to redshirt a DL or OL, but they've raved about this kid for awhile. And if BK really thinks he'll bolt to the NFL at first chance, then it's my opinion he should've been playing all along. It's not a secret that the DL hasn't been great this year.

 

[koonja]

BK has to play someone, there's just no one left. Using the NFL is a good reason to justify it to Hayes/media. It's not a perfect excuse, but what is BK supposed to do? Say we're screwing this kid over? I think it's good he's putting a positive spin on the situation.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

BK has to play someone, there's just no one left. Using the NFL is a good reason to justify it to Hayes/media. It's not a perfect excuse, but what is BK supposed to do? Say we're screwing this kid over? I think it's good he's putting a positive spin on the situation.

I totally get it. I'm not knocking BK for playing Hayes this weekend. I just wish it didn't play out this way. Obviously the staff would prefer to redshirt him. It just didn't work out. The good news is that it seems Hayes is a good one to plug in there.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I know that the depth is awful this year on the D line, but man, next year is gonna be great.

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Yeah that's what you say now...wait till the next academic or off the field scandal happens before fall 2015.