'15 FL OLB Te'Von Coney (Notre Dame Early Enrollee)

[arndtjc]

Give me all the linebackers!!!111one

 

[Luckylucci]

Woah there hoss... Nd isn't quite there just yet.

I actually agree with the above sentiment. When you consider how many freshman and sophomore contributors there are on the this team. Then go position by position we are pretty deep right now and its only getting better. If you put KVR, Davaris, and Ishaq on the depth chart it looks even better. Lastly, the glaring hole this team has had for the last few years was at QB and it seems our depth there will be as good as anybody in the country going into next year.

 

[NDdomer2]

I actually agree with the above sentiment. When you consider how many freshman and sophomore contributors there are on the this team. Then go position by position we are pretty deep right now and its only getting better. If you put KVR, Davaris, and Ishaq on the depth chart it looks even better. Lastly, the glaring hole this team has had for the last few years was at QB and it seems our depth there will be as good as anybody in the country going into next year.

This. The only thing getting in the way of elite TE and WR recruiting going forward should be the depth chart. Get the kids on campus and point to the QB group. Where do I sign?

 

[ACamp1900]

IDK, maybe it's just me but we haven't gotten even close to a full cycle with 'ready to go' under classmen... and part of reloading is the winning... otherwise you're just 'loading'... so... ND is in a good spot currently... but it's still in the building phase... very much so.

 

[ACamp1900]

Bama reloads, they win titles, lose players and stay right there in the thick... that's 're-loading' imo... ND ain't there yet.

 

[CanadianIrishFan306]

When our sophomores this season are seniors its gonna be incredible the depth we will have with these classes.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Bama reloads, they win titles, lose players and stay right there in the thick... that's 're-loading' imo... ND ain't there yet.

Not sure if Saban's 'Bama is a realistic bar for "reloading". No one else in the country reloads like they have over the last few years. You could argue their current football dynasty is unmatched in CFB history.

 

[eNDzone]

Not sure if Saban's 'Bama is a realistic bar for "reloading". No one else in the country reloads like they have over the last few years. You could argue their current football dynasty is unmatched in CFB history.

They are also doing it with 20 extra players. That makes it a little less difficult to reload.

 

[Luckylucci]

IDK, maybe it's just me but we haven't gotten even close to a full cycle with 'ready to go' under classmen... and part of reloading is the winning... otherwise you're just 'loading'... so... ND is in a good spot currently... but it's still in the building phase... very much so.

If winning is the criteria, don't you think with Golson at QB we'd have won at least 10 games last year? I have chalked that up to a given. If we do thats 22 games won in 2 years and lets say we get to 11 this year, which looks possible, thats 33 in 3 years. Which would right up there with anybody in the country over that time. So, I understand that people are gun shy here but its pretty clear that this team is capable of winning at every position of the field accept QB in 2013

 

[ACamp1900]

Not sure if Saban's 'Bama is a realistic bar for "reloading". No one else in the country reloads like they have over the last few years. You could argue their current football dynasty is unmatched in CFB history.

I'll ignore the huge overstatement on Bama, but do you feel ND is a program that now just 'reloads, not rebuilds"...? I mean this program has been doing nothing but attempting to rebuild for twenty years... now, without really accmplishing anything of any real merit on the field we suddenly, 'reload'? I don't see it, at all. In fact, I feel like Dan Patrick did today when his staff all insisted they'd rather be Vince Carter than Tim Duncan... it's such a ridiculous point he couldn't believe anyone would stand by it... ha.

Part of 'reloading' imo is doing so from on the field success of a high level. I think this talk is a more than a bit premature. just me.

 

[NDdomer2]

I'll ignore the huge overstatement on Bama, but do you feel ND is a program that now just 'reloads, not rebuilds"...? I mean this program has been doing nothing but attempting to rebuild for twenty years... now, without really accmplishing anything of any real merit on the field we suddenly, 'reload'? I don't see it, at all. In fact, I feel like Dan Patrick did today when his staff all insisted they'd rather be Vince Carter than Tim Duncan... it's such a ridiculous point he couldn't believe anyone would stand by it... ha.

Part of 'reloading' imo is doing so from on the field success of a high level. I think this talk is a more than a bit premature. just me.

we may not be "reloading" yet, but I think ND's past "rebuilding".

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Part of 'reloading' imo is doing so from on the field success of a high level. I think this talk is a more than a bit premature. just me.

I guess it depends on how you define "reloading". I'd argue it means consistently playing at a high level regardless of player turn-over. We just beat* FSU with a two-deep full of sophomores and freshman. And see Lucci's post above about how last season plays out with Golson at QB instead of Rees. So I think it's fair to expect that, as long as Kelly is our HC, we'll have the quality depth necessary to reel off 10+ win seasons pretty regularly. I'd say that's "reloading", but you might define it differently.




*Fvck you, Pat Ryan. We beat those Criminoles.

 

[ACamp1900]

I guess it depends on how you define "reloading". I'd argue it means consistently playing a high level regardless of player turn-over. We just beat* FSU with a two-deep full of sophomores and freshman. And see Lucci's post above about how last season plays out with Golson at QB instead of Rees. So I think it's fair to expect that, as long as Kelly is our HC, we'll have the quality depth necessary to reel off 10+ win seasons pretty regularly. I'd say that "reloading", but you might define it differently.




*Fvck you, Pat Ryan. We beat those Criminoles.

Except neither of those two things bolded actually happened...

Difference in definition is fair, here's my basic thought: Winning at a consistently high level, over a period of time, regardless of attrition, due in large part to your ability to remake your year to year roster with largely the same caliber of players you starting winning with.

 

[koonja]

Guys, can we keep this thread on topic?

 

[arrowryan]

I define "rebuilding" as when a team loses a good/great player and it takes them years for them to get someone of that caliber.

Notre Dame has been reloading tight ends since Fasano, they have been reloading on quarterbacks since Quinn, they replaced Teo with Jaylon, and have been reloading on wide receivers since the Shark (although you could say this year it has been receivers by committee, but Fuller and Robinson are starting to separate themselves).

A good example of rebuilding, IMO, is Texas trying to find their next great QB. They haven't had one since McCoy.

 

[ACamp1900]

Except neither of those two things bolded actually happened...

Difference in definition is fair, here's my basic thought: Winning at a consistently high level, over a period of time, regardless of attrition, due in large part to your ability to remake your year to year roster with largely the same caliber of players you starting winning with.

I define "rebuilding" as when a team loses a good/great player and it takes them years for them to get someone of that caliber.

Notre Dame has been reloading tight ends since Fasano, they have been reloading on quarterbacks since Quinn, they replaced Teo with Jaylon, and have been reloading on wide receivers since the Shark (although you could say this year it has been receivers by committee, but Fuller and Robinson are starting to separate themselves).

A good example of rebuilding, IMO, is Texas trying to find their next great QB. They haven't had one since McCoy.

Fair enough, though I think it can be said with a fair amount of confidence that when most experts, analysts and fans use the phrase 'they don't rebuild, they reload' they mean something quite a bit closer to my definition... no?

 

[Irishman77]

Excellent!!!

 

[arrowryan]

Fair enough, though I think it can be said with a fair amount of confidence that when most experts, analysts and fans use the phrase 'they don't rebuild, they reload' they mean something quite a bit closer to my definition... no?

Sure. But I also consider ND to be in the "reloading" group because when I look at the depth chart, I don't say "Oh shit. What are they gonna do when Golson leaves?" I have all the confidence in the world that Zaire will be ready to go in and win some games.

I don't think there is a position on this team where I really wonder what the staff is gonna do next so there isn't a glaring hole or weakness. I think every position already has a "starter in waiting", I guess you could say.

 

[bobbyok1]

Welcome Tevon! Glad you're Irish!

 

[Emcee77]

For me, "rebuilding" means taking time to recruit/develop new players to fill the holes left by the old ones. It implies that you were at a certain level, then certain players graduated, and now you have to do work to get back to that level.

"Reload" means you immediately fill the holes with players who are capable of performing just as well as the old ones could. I agree with ACamp that it is virtually always used to describe teams who are elite and can attract such elite talent that they barely need to put any work into recruiting and development.

I might put it like this: We rebuild, not reload -- but we are constantly rebuilding tomorrow's team today, so when tomorrow comes, it seems like we didn't need to rebuild.

 

[Huntr]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Per <a href="https://twitter.com/MsAmyCampbell">@MsAmyCampbell</a> Irish recruiting coordinator Tony Alford is currently taking in newest <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ND?src=hash">#ND</a> commit Te'Von Coney's practice</p>— Anna Hickey (@AnnaHScout) <a href="https://twitter.com/AnnaHScout/status/525379151319285761">October 23, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[NDdomer2]

can someone update the thread title to have his correct name: Te'Von.

 

[Booslum31]

Just got around to checking in today. Fantastic Te'von...welcome! Things are looking good boys!

 

[Irishman77]

Coney > Anzalone

 

[Irish#1]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Per <a href="https://twitter.com/MsAmyCampbell">@MsAmyCampbell</a> Irish recruiting coordinator Tony Alford is currently taking in newest <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ND?src=hash">#ND</a> commit Te'Von Coney's practice</p>— Anna Hickey (@AnnaHScout) <a href="https://twitter.com/AnnaHScout/status/525379151319285761">October 23, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Nice touch Tony. Was he at the announcement?

 

[Me2SouthBend]

can someone update the thread title to have his correct name: Te'Von.

Love the apostrophe. Can never have too many. Edit: Aliz'e Jones anyone?

 

[zelezo vlk]

In fact, I feel like Dan Patrick did today when his staff all insisted they'd rather be Vince Carter than Tim Duncan... it's such a ridiculous point he couldn't believe anyone would stand by it... ha.

They were not talking about the career? I mean, personally I'd prefer to be able to fly through the air like Carter than be the most fundamentally sound player of the era. But career? I want Duncan.

Sorry to continue the off-topic talk.

 

[Irish YJ]

For me, "rebuilding" means taking time to recruit/develop new players to fill the holes left by the old ones. It implies that you were at a certain level, then certain players graduated, and now you have to do work to get back to that level.

"Reload" means you immediately fill the holes with players who are capable of performing just as well as the old ones could. I agree with ACamp that it is virtually always used to describe teams who are elite and can attract such elite talent that they barely need to put any work into recruiting and development.

I might put it like this: We rebuild, not reload -- but we are constantly rebuilding tomorrow's team today, so when tomorrow comes, it seems like we didn't need to rebuild.

I would say we are getting to the point in certain positions where we are reloading. OL, QB, WR,/TE and LB will be reload positions for the next several years given both the youth we have performing now, and the talent level we have coming in. EG, MZ, DK, and BW is a clear reload even if one of the 4 doesn't pan out. Embarrassment of riches IMO. OL is in great shape. LB is now in a crazy good place (who would have thunk?) for several years to come. WR/TE is pretty deep after the youngsters who are already playing.

Still rebuilding the DT, DE, and DB depth IMO but BVG is doing a great job. We have certainly done better in all 3 spots, but there is still too much youth pre-loaded so to speak and a lot of separation between levels of depth. In two years, we'll be reloading here as well. I'd love to get a couple more stud DEs going behind Blank and Trumb, and another monster or two at DT over the next 2 classes. DB is almost there so I can't complain.

 

[NDdomer2]

Love the apostrophe. Can never have too many. Edit: Aliz'e Jones anyone?

Thought it might help with the tehvonn tayvonn dilemma

 

[Irish2155]

BK has this team close to perianal top 5 status. Depth, at all positions...especially the trenches and QB.

If he stays, we'll be the next multiple champion, USC like...without the infractions.