Post Game Observations (Syracuse '14)...

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Watching the noonkick replay currently.

I listened to the end of the game on the radio in the car after a party, so I didn't get to see the last drive with my own eyes. I was kind of bummed hearing Don Criqui call out CJ Prosise for dropping a sure TD on a corner route. Criqui noted CJ's issues with drops, and then made this "drop" against Syracuse sound particularly egregious.

Watching the actual footage, it's clear that the defender got his hand on it, and CJ made a nice play to even have a chance at the catch.

I've listened to a few games on the radio over the past couple of years, and I've never been particularly impressed with Criqui's knowledge of the roster, nor with his play-by-play call. He often leaves out important info, or clearly gets it wrong based on the context of the current drive/situation.

That's my semi-rant for the day.
 

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Anybody see this fight break out? I was on the lower bowl so I had no idea:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>VIDEO: Man dropped with single punch in brawl at Notre Dame-Syracuse game. <a href="http://t.co/Ci0pDcLytM">http://t.co/Ci0pDcLytM</a></p>— Deadspin (@Deadspin) <a href="https://twitter.com/Deadspin/status/516632141040717824">September 29, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Guy on ISD posted about it before the video came out saying he was in a section where things got wild and complaining about security, etc.... but apparently there were TONS of fights.
 

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Guy on ISD posted about it before the video came out saying he was in a section where things got wild and complaining about security, etc.... but apparently there were TONS of fights.

Damn. Closest thing to a fight by me was when a guy got his fries knocked over and flipped out. Pretty much our whole section (including his fellow Cuse fans) booed him until he sat down.

That extra tailgating time really gets people amped up.
 

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Damn. Closest thing to a fight by me was when a guy got his fries knocked over and flipped out. Pretty much our whole section (including his fellow Cuse fans) booed him until he sat down.

That extra tailgating time really gets people amped up.

And they sold beer in the stadium too, right?
 

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And they sold beer in the stadium too, right?

I'm pretty sure there was a study done that showed that beer being sold in stadiums doesn't lead to more drunks. I'd probably remember where I read it if I wasn't plastered right now.
 

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And they sold beer in the stadium too, right?

yes

but where i was in the lower, they stopped serving at halftime

but in some other areas they served all game (i.e. the suites and boxes)

fantastic tailgate scene, weather was absolutely gorgeous...what a day/night.
 

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No it was a textbook example of a team taking what was clearly being given to them. UGA was clearly overmatched in the trenches and so Alabama took that all day long. UGA was also thin from injuries I believe and got worn down. Again that was just smart game planning on the part of Saban to recognize what was being given to him. It's not different than when a starting corner gets hurt so the QB decides to pick up on the back up. UGA's strength wasn't in run defense, hell it wasn't in defense at all. In fact they were a pretty powerful offense so really "imposing your will" on UGA would have been shutting down their offense cold, which didn't happen.

Honestly (as much I hate saying this) the NCG from that year is a closer example to a team imposing their will than the UGA game. We predicated our gameplans on being able to shut down the run and force teams to the air. But we were overmatched and outschemed by Saban and Co. that year.

Fake girlfriend kind of sucked the soul out of the middle of our defense. If you don't have a mean middle LB filling holes your run defense kind of looks different.
 

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I think that's an overly simplistic way of looking at 1) Alabama's game plan and 2) what a "strength" can be too though.

First, I think it's crazy/insulting to think that Nick "this Div. 3 team is really tough y'all, seriously, aight?'" Saban simply "imposes his will" on good football teams with no strategic logic/reasoning behind it. It's not strength versus strength, its "which reasonably strong portion of our game has the greatest chance of success against a relatively weak portion of your game."

Second, a "strength" can be many different things depending on your offense. And I think that offensive flexibility is one of those. The ability to continuously match your formations against defensive coverages to find the open playmaker until the defensive coordinator cries in the booth is a strength IMO just like a power run game is a strength, or an elite WR core is a strength.

The Ga game looked pretty simple to me.

We ran the ball. Basically told them we were. And they could not stop it.

Sometimes football is not that complex.
 

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Fake girlfriend kind of sucked the soul out of the middle of our defense. If you don't have a mean middle LB filling holes your run defense kind of looks different.

Please don't delude yourself. We got curb stomped. Lennay could've shown up as a ghostly apparition on the 50 yard line and sung the Notre Dame Fight Song with Knute Rockne playing bass. We would've still gotten curb stomped.
 

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Watching the noonkick replay currently.

I listened to the end of the game on the radio in the car after a party, so I didn't get to see the last drive with my own eyes. I was kind of bummed hearing Don Criqui call out CJ Prosise for dropping a sure TD on a corner route. Criqui noted CJ's issues with drops, and then made this "drop" against Syracuse sound particularly egregious.

Watching the actual footage, it's clear that the defender got his hand on it, and CJ made a nice play to even have a chance at the catch.


I've listened to a few games on the radio over the past couple of years, and I've never been particularly impressed with Criqui's knowledge of the roster, nor with his play-by-play call. He often leaves out important info, or clearly gets it wrong based on the context of the current drive/situation.

That's my semi-rant for the day.

YES! This has really annoyed me over the last two days. Not that Criqui got it wrong (I didn't hear that) but that so many ND fans seem to have got it wrong, too. I've seen a lot of people on the ND boards talking about how bad C.J.'s hands are and citing that play as an example. He has had problems with drops this season, no question, but he did not drop that one. It seems like a lot of people failed to catch that replay.
 
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Please don't delude yourself. We got curb stomped. Lennay could've shown up as a ghostly apparition on the 50 yard line and sung the Notre Dame Fight Song with Knute Rockne playing bass. We would've still gotten curb stomped.

You are right, our Heisman runner up all world middle linebacker playing with his head up his ass couldn't have had a negative impression on the game. Not saying we would have won, but you are equally nuts if you think that didn't factor into our flat defensive performance. Bama was good that year and I'm not sure anyone was beating them that night but keep in mind, in the SEC if you lose 42-14 to Bama you move up a few spots in the rankings.

Oh, and we were 10 point underdogs so it was already slim chance in anyone's mind we were winning. As a defensive focused team, we were very poorly equipped to make a come back if we got down early against anyone, let alone the best team in the country that year.
 

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YES! This has really annoyed me over the last two days. Not that Criqui got it wrong (I didn't hear that) but that so many ND fans seem to have got it wrong, too. I've seen a lot of people on the ND boards talking about how bad C.J.'s hands are and citing that play as an example. He has had problems with drops this season, no question, but he did not drop that one. It seems like a lot of people failed to catch that replay.

I agree, took the replay to see it was tipped and pretty impossible to catch. However, that is what happens when you earn a reputation.
 

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I agree, took the replay to see it was tipped and pretty impossible to catch. However, that is what happens when you earn a reputation.

very true; that catch in question was tipped and it wold have been an incredible catch if Prosise could have got it, but I gave him a pass on that play. That being said, if your known to drop passes (fair or not) I can see how some ppl can railroad him on that play (but that play wasn't his fault, it was clearly tipped)
 

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The Ga game looked pretty simple to me.

We ran the ball. Basically told them we were. And they could not stop it.

Sometimes football is not that complex.

That doesn't make it "strength on strength". It means that Saban did the math and liked his odds. You don't play "strength on strength" unless you're a bad coach. Like I said you play "relative strength to relative weakness". I think Saban just gets the reputation as a "strength on strength" coach because Alabama is fortunate enough to have very few areas of relative weakness compared to their competitions relative strength.

There's a reason Brian Kelly turned into a run-first coach when we played Miami. He looked at the size of our lines and said "ok they're not going to stop us unless they completely give up the pass" so he ran it.

My version of football is not complex either, but it's not asinine.
 

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Anybody see this fight break out? I was on the lower bowl so I had no idea:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>VIDEO: Man dropped with single punch in brawl at Notre Dame-Syracuse game. <a href="http://t.co/Ci0pDcLytM">http://t.co/Ci0pDcLytM</a></p>— Deadspin (@Deadspin) <a href="https://twitter.com/Deadspin/status/516632141040717824">September 29, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Hahaha. i think that was close to my section. People a few seats from me say they saw a fight down that way, but I didn't see anything.

In my section there was a Syracuse alum who on every third down for the ND offense would stand up, shake his key chain and yell. He took a lot of sh*t throughout the game, because we were on the ND side line, but no fight ever broke out.
 

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That doesn't make it "strength on strength". It means that Saban did the math and liked his odds. You don't play "strength on strength" unless you're a bad coach. Like I said you play "relative strength to relative weakness". I think Saban just gets the reputation as a "strength on strength" coach because Alabama is fortunate enough to have very few areas of relative weakness compared to their competitions relative strength.

There's a reason Brian Kelly turned into a run-first coach when we played Miami. He looked at the size of our lines and said "ok they're not going to stop us unless they completely give up the pass" so he ran it.

My version of football is not complex either, but it's not asinine.

For the sake of argument hammer... I agree with you for the most part. In the game referenced, Ga's defense was their strength. Saban decided that his strength was better. So if you want to say Ga's strength was actually their weakness in this case, then I can buy that.
 

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For the sake of argument hammer... I agree with you for the most part. In the game referenced, Ga's defense was their strength. Saban decided that his strength was better. So if you want to say Ga's strength was actually their weakness in this case, then I can buy that.

It's admittedly mostly semantics, but I don't like the phrase "strength on strength". Saban's a good coach. If he thought airing the ball out would give him a greater advantage then pounding it I'm sure he would. It's just that it often doesn't because of Bama's OL and RBs. "Strength on Strength" sounds like stubborn pride, which I don't think Nick "seriously this D3 team is really soild" Saban has a lot of.
 

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Saban's best kept secret has been exposed by Missouri and TAMU joining the SEC. Defense is largely overrated but Bama is one of the few teams that have had the ability to exploit that fact.
 

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yes

but where i was in the lower, they stopped serving at halftime

but in some other areas they served all game (i.e. the suites and boxes)

fantastic tailgate scene, weather was absolutely gorgeous...what a day/night.

Minnesota has had great success with selling beer in the stadium. Game-day crime rates are down for 2012 | mndaily.com - The Minnesota Daily

The University of Minnesota’s police department has responded to fewer calls on football game days despite the addition of alcohol at TCF Bank Stadium in 2012.

Through three games this season, 21 incidents have been reported. Nineteen were alcohol-related, and 12 involved University students.

In 2011, when beer was not sold at the stadium, University police responded to 37 incidents through the first three games, nearly all of which involved alcohol.
 

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1. Sloppy, sloppy game. Not much to say about the turnovers. I think we all know that they would kill us, against a good team.

2. The thing is; we still don't know how good we are, or aren't. ND has not played anyone of note. Michigan is the biggest name, but they are an absolute dumpster fire right now. We have played two games where we have looked really bad against really bad competition.


3. BVG continues to play a ton of 3-4, moving Jaylon inside with Schmidt. I'm sure that is probably a game plan thing, put in to counter something specific in the opponent's offense. Perhaps the mobile QB, as they played tons of 3-4 against Michigan, as well.


4. The Defense looks to be decent, but again; given the competition that we have played, it is hard to judge.

5. Congrats to Everett Golson (school record for consecutive completions), Torii Hunter, Jr. (first TD), and Corey Robinson (career high in catches, presumably yards, too), on their milestone achievements.

6. I have a hard time watching Notre Dame football, when they are not able to enforce their will on teams, by simply running the ball and moving down the field. I know that College football is changing, but you still have to be able to run the ball. And we are not strong in that area. For all of the talent at TB, we should be running for 250-300 yards per game. The coaches have got to figure this one out, and do it quickly.

Game ball to Corey Robinson. Great game for him, and he has established himself as someone that opponents will have to respect.
I see what you're saying but Fla. State ain't running the ball that great, Arkansas ran the ball real good against Texas A&M and still loss ! Georgia has the best damn RB in the country and had to hang on for dear life against Tennesee, so I"m not geek about the running game. But it can be better, however we CANNOT !!!!! CONSISTENLY KEEP TURNING THE DAMN BALL OVER,because against the better teams we will face, that will come back to bite us in the ass. !
 

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My mother could run the ball well against TAMU. Their defense is turrabull
 

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I see what you're saying but Fla. State ain't running the ball that great, Arkansas ran the ball real good against Texas A&M and still loss ! Georgia has the best damn RB in the country and had to hang on for dear life against Tennesee, so I not geek about the running game but it can be better, however we CANNOT !!!!! CONSISTENLY KEEP TURNING THE DAMN BALL OVER,because against the better teams we will face, that will come back to bite us in the ass. !

We havent consistently kept turning the ball over. We had one game with 5 turnovers, but we only have six turnovers the whole season so far. We can't afford to have another bad game against the likes of a Stanford, FSU or USC, but we just need to get back to taking care of the ball like we did the first three games.
 

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It's admittedly mostly semantics, but I don't like the phrase "strength on strength". Saban's a good coach. If he thought airing the ball out would give him a greater advantage then pounding it I'm sure he would. It's just that it often doesn't because of Bama's OL and RBs. "Strength on Strength" sounds like stubborn pride, which I don't think Nick "seriously this D3 team is really soild" Saban has a lot of.


Keep trying hammer... maybe I won't come back out after the half. Enjoy.
 

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OFD's Eric Murtaugh just posted his breakdown of the Syracuse game:

The game never felt in doubt but a 31-15 win over Syracuse leaves Notre Dame with plenty of room for improvement before Stanford comes to South Bend.

Play-Call of the Game: Golson 13-Yard Pass to Torii Hunter

Must be nice to have your first career catch go for a touchdown. On the previous play Hunter took his first career touch in a Notre Dame uniform on a jet sweep for 6 yards. After being gashed all night on screens of varying degrees, the Irish dialed up a nice fake that sprung Hunter free inside the 10-yard line.

Golson fired the ball on time and major props to Hunter for avoiding a big hit, making a spin move, and trotting into the end zone. That's some big playmaking ability on your first career catch. Also, Irish Connections like this may be Notre Dame's greatest recruiting tool for high school kids.

Armchair Quarterback

Where do you start?

Well, completing 82% of your passes on 39 attempts is outstanding. Having 25 straight completions--even if most of them were short passes--is phenomenal as well. The 32 completions, 362 yards, and 4 touchdowns were all career highs for Golson too. Be happy for that kind of production but it was a sloppy game from Golson. Two interceptions (including a pick six) two fumbles, one of which was lost, and a very mediocre rushing performance prevented this game from getting out of hand and Golson from having one of the best games by an Irish quarterback.

Golson ran for 22 yards on one carry during the first series before losing his first fumble of the game and only finished the game with 21 net rushing yards on 10 carries. Subtract 1 sack and Golson's figures are only boosted to 30 yards on 9 carries. I thought the offense made an effort to get Golson involved a little more in called run plays, which is good, but for as much as we focused on his turnovers we can't have him eating a quarter of the carries and being so mediocre carrying the ball.

For me, not a huge need to criticize Golson for the turnovers because he's proven through his career to be good at protecting the ball. Well, at least where interceptions are concerned. His ball security when running still needs improvement, and honestly, the best thing he can do in the example of his first fumble is just get out of bounds. You've run for 20 yards, you've slowed down and run out of room, just step out.

The fumbled spike was ridiculously stupid, but again, that will never happen again. That much I know.

Turning Point: 4th & 1 Stop

One of the biggest plays from this game came from the defense in a spot where Syracuse realistically could have mounted a comeback and got right back into the game. Following a touchdown drive culminating in Corey Robinson's catch to make it 21-3 the Orange used 7 plays to get to the Notre Dame 21-yard line.

Knowing about their shaky kicking game and the fact that the Irish offense was moving the ball well all night it was probably a good decision by Syracuse to go for it on fourth down. Even though Bryant would fumble on the next series and Syracuse scored a touchdown off of it anyway, this stop prevented the Orange from putting points on the board with a lot of game left to play.

Surprising Stat: 95 Rushing Yards

Syracuse's punter Riley Dixon rumbled for 42 yards on a fake punt in the second half. Other than that Notre Dame limited the Orange to 95 rushing yards on 28 carries. Granted, the Orange fell behind early and only ran the ball 44% of the time but their bread and butter on offense was largely ineffective for most of the night.

Unheralded Star: Chris Brown

Yes, using the term star is a bit much and doesn't actually apply here. However, it was good to see Brown involved in the passing game while doing a decent job blocking on all those screens. His 6 receptions were a career high and his 57 yards also tied a career high.

Missed Opportunity: Golson's Second Fumble

The last drive before the end of the half had the feel of a field goal attempt at best, but even that couldn't happen when Golson's complete lack of focus led to this wacky fumble on a failed spike. The offense might have had the opportunity for a pair of shots at the end zone and even worse this turnover hurt the red zone efficiency.

Flag of the Game: Romeo Okwara 15-Yard Personal Foul

There is spearing, helmet to helmet contact, and late hitting. Then there's Okwara's personal foul on quarterback Terrel Hunt which was a clean football play. Luckily, nothing came of the drive for Syracuse and it should be pointed out that the Irish drove 95 yards for a touchdown after the Orange downed the ball on the 5-yard line. Still, Okwara absolutely blew up the lineman on this play and looked like Lawrence Taylor for a moment.

Red Zone TD Success: 50%

As noted the fumbled spike ruined the red zone efficiency on the evening. The Irish didn't enter the red zone until that fateful final drive of the first half. On the opening offensive series of the second half Golson found Robinson from the 8-yard line and Hunter's touchdown two drives later also came in the red zone. The final red zone opportunity came on the last drive in which Notre Dame got to the 12-yard line but a sideline interference penalty set the team back on a 2nd and 23 position from which they would ultimately kick a field goal.

Schemes n Such

I thought this was one of the best gameplans of the Kelly era from the perspective of playing to the team's strengths, taking advantage of Syracuse's weaknesses, fixing problems from the last game, and using multiple different looks. How about all that variation throughout the game! We saw some 2-back sets, 2 H-back sets, and plenty of jet sweeps. I hope that we continue to see these formations deployed on a consistent basis. Throughout the Kelly era we've seen nice adjustments for a specific opponent but these variations ultimately fade away into the memory bank.

The only thing I found puzzling was that we got away from these varied looks and reliance on the screen game in the second and third offensive series where the offense bogged down for just 24 yards on 9 plays while punting twice. Other than that, the use of Golson was tremendous against Syracuse's aggressive defense and the run game, while not explosive, was quite effective for most of the game. Here's the third down attempts from the game:

  • 3 & 7- Golson 22 yard rush (fumble)
  • 3 & 5- Folston 14 yard rush
  • 3 & 7- Golson 9 yard sack
  • 3 & 4- Fuller 3 yard pass
  • 3 & 7- Folston 7 yard pass
  • 3 & 4- McDaniel 8 yard rush
  • 3 & 2- Golson 3 yard rush
  • 3 & 6- Fuller 7 yard pass
  • 3 & 2- Bryant 7 yard rush
  • 3 & 5- Bryant 5 yard rush
  • 3 & 1- McDaniel 1 yard rush
  • 3 & 1- Golson 2 yard rush
  • 3 & 1- Bryant 5 yard rush
  • 3 & 5- Golson INT
  • 3 & 23- Prosise 7 yard pass
There are some major black marks on that list (lost fumble, terrible pick six, and the only sack surrendered) but from a running game perspective this was a great effort. Not only did the offense run the ball 8 times on third down--that has to be one of the highest totals under Kelly--but they moved the sticks on each carry. The deep bomb to Fuller and passing efficiency of Golson may be the fireworks of this offense but it's this kind of third down rushing that will be needed to defeat Stanford and Florida State.

Trench Analysis

This was as close to a dominant performance from the defensive line as you're going to see for a team that didn't register a sack and just 4 tackles for loss. They were stout in stopping the run, collapsed the pocket consistently, and dared Hunt to make throws with his own linemen getting shoved into his face. If I were to be more critical I thought the line and defense in general allowed Syracuse's backs to break some tackles or make a guy miss a few too many times. Sheldon Day in particular could have finished with 5 tackles for loss because he beat his man and found himself one-on-one with the ball carrier only to be shaken out of the play on a couple occasions.

Overall, I was pleased with the offensive line. The lone sack looked like a major problem on the right side of the line but they settled down after the shuffled lineup during the bye week and played well. Obviously the short passing game helped in pass protection. Still, they opened holes in the run blocking while the backs left considerable yardage off the stat sheet with some poor vision, bad reads, and poor acceleration through holes.

Freshmen Update

Nyles Morgan, Daniel Cage, Tyler Luatua, Nick Watkins, Drue Tranquill, Kolin Hill, Greer Martini, Jonathan Bonner, Grant Blankenship, and Andrew Trumbetti were the freshmen to see the field on Saturday.

Trumbetti's tackle for loss while chasing down a Syracuse running back on the edge was as impressive of a play we saw all night. After disappearing over the last two games it was nice to see Luatua employed heavily as a blocking H-back.

Final Thoughts

  • If there's been a problem in the passing game this year it's been finding a consistent second receiver. Right now, there is no doubt that Will Fuller is the main target with twice as many catches/touchdowns than anyone else as well as nearly twice as many yards as any other target. On Saturday we saw both Chris Brown and Corey Robinson reach career highs in receptions so we'll see how they progress if DaVaris Daniels never comes back.
  • A third of the regular season is over and we're still waiting for Ben Koyack to break out. Although Saturday wasn't the type of gameplan to take advantage of his receiving (3 receptions for 16 yards) and he is blocking well, he's now dropped down to fourth on the team in yardage. It's been weird not to have a tight end break some long catches as Koyack is sitting at a rather low 8.68 reception yardage average.
  • Remember when everyone was so worried about middle linebacker? I think we're looking at a pair of future defensive captains coming back to patrol the middle in 2015. Feelin' pretty good about that.
  • One of the strangest aspects to this defense so far has been the near absence of a playmaker at the Sam linebacker position. A lot of that is due to playing so much nickel and dime coverage but still, did anyone think we'd be here at 4-0 while giving up 11.5 points per game with James Onwualu sitting at just 5 tackles?
  • First thing to remark on the run game is how even all the carries have been this year. Both Folston and Golson are tied for the lead with 38 rushes while Bryant and McDaniel each have 33 carries. It's pretty amazing that even with a flawed season so far it's still Greg Bryant leading the team with 174 rushing yards.
  • I hope the running backs stay humble because they still have a lot of room for improvement. At some point during the off-season on the site we were debating the best backfields in the country and frankly I don't think our talent is worthy of that discussion right now. I don't think Folston has breakaway speed and we've yet to see that gear from Bryant. They both looked more comfortable on Saturday with better blocking but bouts of poor vision, tap dancing, and a lack of conviction when getting to the second level are holding them back from being special.
  • Austin Collinsworth suited up for the first time this season but was withheld from participation with Brian Kelly saying he was going to be used for emergency situations only. That's going to be quite the interesting dilemma for playing time moving forward as Elijah Shumate has played well in Collinsworth's absence and Max Redfield is beginning to blossom at free safety. With Stanford coming to town this weekend I would bet it'll be a hard decision for the coaching staff to keep the veteran Collinsworth on the sidelines for the bulk of the snaps.
  • I was a little surprised to see Syracuse finish with 429 total yards with the caveat that 42 of those came off of their fake punt. Even still, the Orange racked up a shocking amount of yards in the second half relative to how I was perceiving the defense to be playing. Over Syracuse's final 5 drives all within the second half they put up 277 yards but but they ended with an interception, turnover on downs, touchdown, missed field goal, and turnover on downs.
 

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Wow, I didn't notice Bonner, Watkins or Morgan out there. I thought we might try to preserve a 5th year for at least the first two. Guess not.

Btw, Kelly said yesterday that Morgan may play a bit this weekend because Stanford isn't likely to try to spread the D out, which means it is less important for the Mike to make the proper calls and get the D lined up properly, which means we can give Schmidt a break now and then. I will be really excited to see Nyles get some quality reps.
 

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All those swing passes and screens that we ran last night were just extensions of the running game. The "running game" isn't just defined lining up in the power I and pounding it up the gut. The inside zone read draw where we faked it to GB(?) and then hit Cam on a little swing pass outside is about the same thing as a run in my mind. Why does matter if we physically hand the ball off or use an "extended hand off" via a shovel pass or a swing pass? I thought the point was to isolate the defense and get your athletes into space? I'm not sure what the obsession with a traditional "ground and pound" run game is over.

Football has changed and is continually changing since the man in your avatar was photographed. Several pro football teams as well as college football teams successfully implement a short passing game to supplement deficiencies in their traditional run game. BK throughout his coaching career has never been a run based guy and only did the "ground and pound" "we want to be like Alabama" routine in 2012 out of necessity.

Like you said balance is about a 50/50 split, it's about being able to run or pass when necessary. I'm confident in BK's ability to find ways to get our athletes the ball in space.

This is the post to read about the issue of the running game-right to the point and in my opinion on the mark. You don't have to have balance but when you must run you can bet your #$@ you better run with authority and malice. In its essence running sends a message that we can simply run the ball down your throat
 

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For the sake of argument hammer... I agree with you for the most part. In the game referenced, Ga's defense was their strength. Saban decided that his strength was better. So if you want to say Ga's strength was actually their weakness in this case, then I can buy that.
Bull. UGA was not and is not a defensive team. Their strength was on offense where they were averaging 37 points a game. That vaunted UGA defense gave up 44 points to Tennessee, 35 points to USCe, 32 points to Alabama, and 31 points to Nebraska. UGA's defense was pretty crappy that year giving up over 20 in 8 games.

At least argue your point honestly. UGA's defense was not their strength, their offense was and your defense didn't do it's job for the most part and got bailed out at the end of the game because Richt gonna Richt and Murray gonna Murray.
 

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I see what you're saying but Fla. State ain't running the ball that great, Arkansas ran the ball real good against Texas A&M and still loss ! Georgia has the best damn RB in the country and had to hang on for dear life against Tennesee, so I"m not geek about the running game. But it can be better, however we CANNOT !!!!! CONSISTENLY KEEP TURNING THE DAMN BALL OVER,because against the better teams we will face, that will come back to bite us in the ass. !

You aren't going to worry about the running game, but you ARE going to worry about some completely made up "consistently turning the ball over"? We had a terrible game, in terms of turnover, against Syracuse. But, other than that, ND's ball security has been OUTSTANDING! The only turnover, prior to the Syracuse game, was a fumble in the Purdue game. So where is this "consistently turning the ball over" that you refer to?
 
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