Rumored Violations

[IrishLion]

He said school started three weeks ago, and that "these things" take three weeks to get through... so he thinks it's right on schedule.

 

[gkIrish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>BK on Cowherd: Academic hearings should be happening hopefully this week.</p>— Irish Sports Daily (@ISDUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/ISDUpdate/status/509368711342723073">September 9, 2014</a></blockquote>
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wtf.

 

[#1rish]

If it's right on schedule why did he speculate if he got players back before the Michigan game they would play?

 

[TheChosen1]

Same story as last week.

 

[irishog77]

He said school started three weeks ago, and that "these things" take three weeks to get through... so he thinks it's right on schedule.

Ahh, yes, the magical 3 week time frame for academic investigations.

 

[phork]

The Pentavrit's insidious influence would explain a lot here.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

"The hearings should be happening hopefully this week."

"The hearings should be happening hopefully this week."

"The hearings should be happening hopefully this week."

 

[T Town Tommy]

Does the Admin work overtime at Notre Dame? Maybe they should have skipped the game like the suspended players had to in order to get done with all of this.

 

[IrishLion]

If it's right on schedule why did he speculate if he got players back before the Michigan game they would play?

I don't think he speculated about that. I think he was asked a question by the media about it, and answered it.

 

[Irish#1]

I hear they meet on the second tuesday of this week.

That's weird. I hear they meet on the 3rd Tuesday following the vernal equinox, but only if Mercury and Venus are in alignment with the Sun.

They ought to just simplify things and schedule an annual meeting on February 29th.

You are all wrong. They meet tri-annually at a secret country mansion in Colorado, known as The Meadows.

They are already on "double secret probation".

 

[wizards8507]

Does the Admin work overtime at Notre Dame? Maybe they should have skipped the game like the suspended players had to in order to get done with all of this.

There are three groups involved here. The administration isn't the one causing the holdup. That would be the faculty and the students. The committee itself is made of those folks.

 

[faithfulfan]

I would have assumed that the accused parties would have been made aware of a timeline to get the result of this process. This would have eliminated a lot of confusion for the coaching staff/players/fans/etc. It doesn't sound like that is the case at all. It appears that the only people in the know is the honesty committee itself.

Does anyone know how the players were informed that they were being investigated. Also how were they informed that they were being held out of extracurricular activities?

 

[T Town Tommy]

There are three groups involved here. The administration isn't the one causing the holdup. That would be the faculty and the students. The committee itself is made of those folks.

Thanks. Then put them on OT. Understand it's a process. And appreciate them being thorough in going through it. Just seems that they would have completed by now.

 

[yankeeND]

This is truly another great example of the frustration that is being a Notre Dame fan. However, we just curb stomped Michigan at home on a huge recruiting weekend. Don't let this take away from the amazing game these kids just played. Like I said, I get the irritation that this situation is causing, but we have some great things on the horizon for this team! 31-0 is just so beautiful.

 

[TheChosen1]

I don't think Kelly even knows a timetable, he's going off the info mike Brey have him on Grant.

 

[Domina Nostra]

If it's right on schedule why did he speculate if he got players back before the Michigan game they would play?

Because he would play them, and he hoped to speed up the process.

Doesn't it seem like the reality is some bad crap went down? My TOTAL guess is something along these lines:

(1) the initial wave of good news was a few of the players insisting that they hadn't gotten anyone to write a paper for them.

(2) the next wave of good news was this being "confirmed" by the investigation.

(3) However, the investigation turned up a lot of bad stuff, including at least one of the payers actually cheating and others involved in other honor code violations related to the cheating.

(4) The fact-gathering part of the investigation closed, but a lot of analysis had to be done, because there was a lot going on.

(5) Once it became pretty clear that no one was 100% innocent, and that there was some potentially serious issues to be addressed, ND was not going to expedite the process; the emphasis was looking thorough so they could have a hand in setting their own punishment.

 

[wizards8507]

I would have assumed that the accused parties would have been made aware of a timeline to get the result of this process. This would have eliminated a lot of confusion for the coaching staff/players/fans/etc. It doesn't sound like that is the case at all. It appears that the only people in the know is the honesty committee itself.

The honesty committee didn't even exist when this whole thing started, and that's part of the problem. It's not like there was a committee out there setting the timeline from day one. They had to create that committee in the first place.

 

[gkIrish]

There are three groups involved here. The administration isn't the one causing the holdup. That would be the faculty and the students. The committee itself is made of those folks.

I was with you last week but I'm done defending the university now. We literally heard BK say the same thing like 10 days ago. So either he is badly misinformed, he was lied to, someone is pussyfooting around, or someone is actively holding this up.

 

[wizards8507]

I was with you last week but I'm done defending the university now. We literally heard BK say the same thing like 10 days ago. So either he is badly misinformed, he was lied to, someone is pussyfooting around, or someone is actively holding this up.

Maybe. I'm just saying it's more likely that it's the group of faculty and students rather than administrators. I'm not saying "everyone is innocent," but rather trying to steer any blame towards the folks actually pulling the strings with this particular process.

 

[Booslum31]

I am just amazed at how eerily quiet it has been. Nobdy close to the process is clarifying what the status is. Nobody close to somebody involved in the process is speculating on things. Nobody, far away from the process is guessing what's going on anymore. No updates on what the (5) are doing with their time. Early "sources" have been proven wrong so they've gone quiet. Phillip's tweets are all that we have gotten...what they mean is anyone's guess. It's too quite...which I equate to bad news on the horizon.

 

[D-BOE34]

I'll be in the arcade not coming close to any high scores. I have ran out of vFucks to give.

 

[Irish#1]

The honesty committee didn't even exist when this whole thing started, and that's part of the problem. It's not like there was a committee out there setting the timeline from day one. They had to create that committee in the first place.

Now we know why it's taking so long. They had to find honest people and interview them. After narrowing it down, they hired a PI firm to run background checks, check their credit score and submit them to polygraph tests before extending an offer to be on the committee.

 

[wizards8507]

I am just amazed at how eerily quiet it has been. Nobdy close to the process is clarifying what the status is. Nobody close to somebody involved in the process is speculating on things. Nobody, far away from the process is guessing what's going on anymore. No updates on what the (5) are doing with their time. Early "sources" have been proven wrong so they've gone quiet. Phillip's tweets are all that we have gotten...what they mean is anyone's guess. It's too quite...which I equate to bad news on the horizon.

Maybe people just stopped caring to some extent? We whooped on Michigan without these guys and at this point we don't really need them until October 4 at the earliest. This thing could go three more weeks and there's really no football impact.

 

[koonja]

Maybe people just stopped caring to some extent? We whooped on Michigan without these guys and at this point we don't really need them until October 4 at the earliest. This thing could go three more weeks and there's really no football impact.

Then that's complete BS.

 

[faithfulfan]

The honesty committee didn't even exist when this whole thing started, and that's part of the problem. It's not like there was a committee out there setting the timeline from day one. They had to create that committee in the first place.

I totally understand that. I still would think that the accused parties would be told "once the committee is formed, expect it to take 3 weeks to hear your fate". Then I would also expect for them to at least let the accused know that the committee has been formed and that the clock is ticking on the timeline we presented you with. Just judging by the impatient tweets by the Daniels family (don't recall seeing from the other 4) that they know as much as we do on when this will be resolved.

I don't post much, but have followed/read these forums for several years. This topic was one that drew me to post.

 

[gkIrish]

Maybe. I'm just saying it's more likely that it's the group of faculty and students rather than administrators. I'm not saying "everyone is innocent," but rather trying to steer any blame towards the folks actually pulling the strings with this particular process.

Not saying you are doing this, but I would encourage you not to "double down" on your defense of the administration. That position is becoming nearly indefensible.

 

[ThePiombino]

I'm so over this. One can simply no longer defend the university on how this is being handled. If this is all part of the established process THEN FUCKING CHANGE IT AND GET WITH THE TIMES!!!

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Because he would play them, and he hoped to speed up the process.

Doesn't it seem like the reality is some bad crap went down? My TOTAL guess is something along these lines:

(1) the initial wave of good news was a few of the players insisting that they hadn't gotten anyone to write a paper for them.

(2) the next wave of good news was this being "confirmed" by the investigation.

(3) However, the investigation turned up a lot of bad stuff, including at least one of the payers actually cheating and others involved in other honor code violations related to the cheating.

(4) The fact-gathering part of the investigation closed, but a lot of analysis had to be done, because there was a lot going on.

(5) Once it became pretty clear that no one was 100% innocent, and that there was some potentially serious issues to be addressed, ND was not going to expedite the process; the emphasis was looking thorough so they could have a hand in setting their own punishment.

This strikes me as the last plausible scenario that doesn't involve either malice or incompetence. If the investigation turned up a lot of cheating, to the extent that the Honor Committee is in uncharted territory, then the fact that 5 football players have been caught up in it is simply an unfortunate footnote in a much larger scandal. This delay is forgivable if they're having to craft a novel solution to an unprecedented problem. But if that's not the case, I'm at a loss to justify it.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Obviously I'm assuming a LOT here but don't the earlier "leaks" suggest some students were already involved in the process earlier but the recent silence suggest that whatever is taking place is being handled by higher-ups?

EDIT: I think this is bolstered by the fact that nobody seems to be informed of timelines. The normal process should be somewhat predictable, no? So I'm not ready to assume the normal process itself is generating this current timeline.

 

[IRISH in MT]

The longer these things take usually means more and more dirt keeps getting discovered. IF the players (or even just a few) are innocent and having to miss these games, I would be fuming at the time this took to be resolved.