Keith Arnold on the burden of being a white DE from New Jersey

[BobbyMac]

Irish A-to-Z: Andrew Trumbetti | Inside the Irish


"Until we get a look at Trumbetti coming off the edge, there are going to be questions about his top-end athleticism. That might be part of the burden of being a white defensive end from New Jersey, but Trumbetti’s going to have every opportunity to dispel those stereotypes quickly."

Wow.

Don't get me wrong... I say shiite like this all the time but to see it on a national website kinda made me go... saywhaaaaaa?

I guess I would ask Mr. Arnold... Didn't the former 2 star kid from Wisconsin answer the question already... you know that Watt kid who seems to be doing ok down in Houston?

Also... what burden does Corey Holmes have as have as a black wide receiver from Florida? Does that make him automatically faster than a white WR from Arizona like Devon Allen?

Something just seemed outta whack on this one...

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[Irishnuke]

Lol. WTF? There are things that run through our heads that should never be said or printed.

 

[notredomer23]

So he was honest and not politically correct. Good for him

 

[stlnd01]

Of 247's top 25 rated strong side defensive ends (Trumbetti's position as a recruit) in the 2015 recruiting class, 21 are African-American (one of the four who isn't is Hawaiian), 16 are from the South (18 if you count Missouri and East St. Louis). Just two are from the Northeast (both from Pennsylvania). The same basic figures hold true for WDEs and DTs.

It may not be PC, and there will always be under-rated kids who turn out to be studs like JJ Watt, but elite defensive line recruits don't tend to be white guys from the north. That's just the way it is. And for those who are, that will naturally bring questions about their "athleticism." Not gonna give Keith Arnold a hard time for pointing it out. Especially when we like to crow about going and getting "SEC-type" D Line talent like Tuitt and Nix.

 

[greyhammer90]

I don't see how this is a big enough deal to warrant its own thread. Not saying you shouldn't have, just that I wouldn't have.

Also ESPN wrote a story a few years back talking about how white running backs weren't getting an even shot and how they were all being told to go play linebacker even though they had similar measurables. So this isn't new.

 

[connor_in]

I don't see how this is a big enough deal to warrant its own thread. Not saying you shouldn't have, just that I wouldn't have.

Also ESPN wrote a story a few years back talking about how white running backs weren't getting an even shot and how they were all being told to go play linebacker even though they had similar measurables. So this isn't new.

Linebacker Cam McDaniel?

 

[SoJerseyIrish]

I am more pissed that they brought NJ into this......WTF?? Good DEs don't come from NJ??

I don't quite understand why people get upset with the term black or white. I have a lot of black friends and none of them have ever said I can't call them black. Heck they call themselves black, I call myself white and we make fun of each other and we laugh together about it.......I think this country is getting to sensitive.

 

[zelezo vlk]

I am more pissed that they brought NJ into this......WTF?? Good DEs don't come from NJ??

I don't quite understand why people get upset with the term black or white. I have a lot of black friends and none of them have ever said I can't call them black. Heck they call themselves black, I call myself white and we make fun of each other and we laugh together about it.......I think this country is getting to sensitive.

I take offense to that. I'll be waiting for your apology.

I like Keith. Pointing out that Trumbetti is a white defensive end from NJ will not change that.

 

[wizards8507]

Lol. WTF? There are things that run through our heads that should never be said or printed.

That's exactly his point. He's illustrating that people DO have those thoughts running through their heads and it's unfair. He's not saying "white DEs are slow," he's saying "people ASSUME white DEs are slow, and that ain't right."

People who follow recruiting see this all the time with the classification of quarterbacks as either "pocket passers" or "dual threat."

 

[gkIrish]

Koon got banned for saying basically saying the same thing except he said something about black players from Texas being athletic.

 

[IrishLion]

Looks like we need to ban Keith and his content from IE.

#FreeKoon

 

[wizards8507]

Koon got banned for saying basically saying the same thing except he said something about black players from Texas being athletic.

I love koon but that's different. Again, Arnold isn't saying that white DEs are less athletic, he's saying that people (not him) ASSUME white DEs to be less athletic, therefore it's an obstacle of perception to overcome.

 

[wizards8507]

Looks like we need to ban Keith and his content from IE.

#FreeKoon

Wait was this recently? Is Koon CURRENTLY banned?

#FreeKoon
#FreeIrishPat

 

[gkIrish]

I love koon but that's different. Again, Arnold isn't saying that white DEs are less athletic, he's saying that people (not him) ASSUME white DEs to be less athletic, therefore it's an obstacle of perception to overcome.

I guess that's true. But Koon "said what [many] people were thinking" in the same way I would argue.

And no this wasn't recent.

 

[IrishLion]

Wait was this recently? Is Koon CURRENTLY banned?

#FreeKoon
#FreeIrishPat

Sorry, it was a retroactive #FreeKoon.

 

[goldandblue]

I love koon but that's different.

Why?

 

[wizards8507]

Why?

I wrote why in the rest of my post that you deleted when you quoted me.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

I love koon but that's different. Again, Arnold isn't saying that white DEs are less athletic, he's saying that people (not him) ASSUME white DEs to be less athletic, therefore it's an obstacle of perception to overcome.

Why?

I wrote why in the rest of my post that you deleted when you quoted me.

lol a perfect snap shot of internet discourse

 

[Bogtrotter07]

My daughter (oldest) and I were talking last night, about just this. "African-American" versus "black," is a classist identifier. Our conversation was, how ironic is it that the "PC petunia's," sensitive term A-A is developing a derogatory reputation, much more so that "black," a term it was designed to replace.

People in the burbs, use A-A, where people in town, and from the most integrated neighborhoods, use white/black with little or no stigma. People (white) in the burbs, (where there are still less blacks), use A-A to each other, all the time. People from regular (more middle class) neighborhoods use white or black. Her point is there is more stigma starting to attach itself to A-A because it is used more often, and mostly when people go out of the way to make a distinction.

Where white-black is used simpler, with no fuss, where people are describing a visual distinction, less a distinction based upon a value judgment; vis-à-vis distinction based upon looks, not race. A-A is being viewed as a condescending descriptor.

I can only hope this exposed hypocrisy, extends and eventually includes people making real and honest comments, not being labeled more racist than those that avoid a word, so they don't get trapped in a distinction that they always make and do not acknowledge!

 

[wizards8507]

My daughter (oldest) and I were talking last night, about just this. "African-American" versus "black," is a classist identifier. Our conversation was, how ironic is it that the "PC petunia's," sensitive term A-A is developing a derogatory reputation, much more so that "black," a term it was designed to replace.

People in the burbs, use A-A, where people in town, and from the most integrated neighborhoods, use white/black with little or no stigma. People (white) in the burbs, (where there are still less blacks), use A-A to each other, all the time. People from regular (more middle class) neighborhoods use white or black. Her point is there is more stigma starting to attach itself to A-A because it is used more often, and mostly when people go out of the way to make a distinction.

Where white-black is used simpler, with no fuss, where people are describing a visual distinction, less a distinction based upon a value judgment; vis-à-vis distinction based upon looks, not race.

Not to mention the fact that "African American" has a very specific meaning that's different from the way in which it's used. Most of those "white people in the burbs" would see David Ortiz or Nelson Mandela walking down the street and, if asked the race of the person they saw, respond "African-American," even though Ortiz is Dominican-American (nationality), Mandela South African (nationality), and they're both black (race). Neither one is "African American."

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Not to mention the fact that "African American" has a very specific meaning that's different from the way in which it's used. Most of those "white people in the burbs" would see David Ortiz or Nelson Mandela walking down the street and, if asked the race of the person they saw, respond "African-American," even though Ortiz is Dominican-American (nationality), Mandela South African (nationality), and they're both black (race). Neither one is "African American."

Actually, the three major races are :

N e g r o id- i.e., African
Mongoloid- i.e., Asian
Caucasoid- i.e., European

And do you know the major anatomical marker used for rapid identification in classification of remains? Teeth. And they do not even follow the above classification well. Native Americans fall into the Mongoloid group. African and Negroid are more alike than different. And the third group of teeth are from Pacific Islanders!

P.S. : I would tend not to see anyone who would see David Ortiz or Nelson Mandela walking down the street together as credible, in the first place!

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Jared Allen and JJ Watt suck and are so nonathletic, but if they were black...

 

[IrishLion]

Jared Allen and JJ Watt suck and are so nonathletic, but if they were black...

The point is that guys like this have all the tools, but were severely underrated, and there is a chance that being white guys didn't help.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

The point is that guys like this have all the tools, but were severely underrated, and there is a chance that being white guys didn't help.

Yeah I didn't read the article honestly.

 

[IrishLion]

Yeah I didn't read the article honestly.

You didn't need to haha, the quote in the OP explains it well enough. Trumbetti's top-end athleticism (and hence his implied upside) will be a question, and Keith wonders aloud on the page if it has to do with being a white guy from New Jersey that plays defensive end.

 

[kmoose]

Irish A-to-Z: Andrew Trumbetti | Inside the Irish


"Until we get a look at Trumbetti coming off the edge, there are going to be questions about his top-end athleticism. That might be part of the burden of being a white defensive end from New Jersey, but Trumbetti’s going to have every opportunity to dispel those stereotypes quickly."

Wow.

Don't get me wrong... I say shiite like this all the time but to see it on a national website kinda made me go... saywhaaaaaa?

I guess I would ask Mr. Arnold... Didn't the former 2 star kid from Wisconsin answer the question already... you know that Watt kid who seems to be doing ok down in Houston?

Also... what burden does Corey Holmes have as have as a black wide receiver from Florida? Does that make him automatically faster than a white WR from Arizona like Devon Allen?

Something just seemed outta whack on this one...

.

I think you missed the point of his statement. I read it as Trumbetti's burden not being to be a better athlete than a black player, but to overcome the perception out there, that a white kid from New Jersey is probably not as good an athlete as a black kid, or a kid from a more talent-rich football state. New Jersey has been putting out some good football talent lately, but no one is mentioning them in the same breath as Florida, Texas, or California.

 

[wizards8507]

New Jersey has been putting out some good football talent lately, but no one is mentioning them in the same breath as Florida, Texas, or California.

Exactly. How many people here see a white quarterback from California or black running back from Florida and automatically "do want"?

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Take up the White Defensive End's burden--
Send forth the best ye breed--
Go send your sons to South Bend
To serve Brian Kelly's need;
To wait on the line of scrimmage,
Across from fluttered folks and wild--
Your new-sacked, sullen Wolverines,
Half-devil and half-child.

 

[Irish#1]

I don't see how this is a big enough deal to warrant its own thread. Not saying you shouldn't have, just that I wouldn't have.

Also ESPN wrote a story a few years back talking about how white running backs weren't getting an even shot and how they were all being told to go play linebacker even though they had similar measurables. So this isn't new.

Agree......I read it and said "so?". Just one persons opinion. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[koonja]

I still blame Woody Harrelson for all white-people-can't stereotypes.

Learn how to dunk you chump.