'15 LA OT/DT Jerry Tillery (Notre Dame Early Enrollee)

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LSU fans think he is all ND. The Irish fans think he is LSU. That means he is all Bama.

Honey, you seen that manilla envelope I had yesterday....
 
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First it was Fake Blake to be followed by Momentary Jerry?

I say not. Jerry is Irish!

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Nothing is ever official until the line has been signed, and even then, nothing is forever.

I'm of the viewpoint that the verbal commit is a "hey, I really like your school, I can see myself going there".

This isn't about what the verbal commit SHOULD be, from a moral character perspective. It's about what it is.

These are teenagers trying to make an important life decision, and there are influences and pressures coming from so many different directions.

Should they commit before they are certain? It's not ideal.

Does it mean they are trolling when they change their mind? More often than not, no.

In the meantime, it's pretty cool that he is still into ND. That's cool.

Now.... back to humanity.
 
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Personally I think a lot of ppl. are butt hurt over previous commits not staying. Don't let a few bad eggs kill the whole freakin hen house.
 
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I, too, hate it when kids are committed to Notre Dame "for sure." That's so much worse than "maybe they're in my top five."
I agree the OVs elsewhere are not a good sign. And unclear how he plans to make it to Stanford for a gameday if he's got practice on Saturdays (also curious what he's allowed to actually do in practice since it appears he could eat most of his teammates). But if we indeed get that banquet OV, it means he's saving us for last, which I would take to be a good thing. We'll see.
 
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Praytorian said:
Personally I think a lot of ppl. are butt hurt over previous commits not staying. Don't let a few bad eggs kill the whole freakin hen house.
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It's original, I'll give you that, but as a conceptual metaphor it just doesn't work. Look on the bright side. No one will steal your metaphor, and submit this use of words in a paper!
 
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stlnd01 said:
I, too, hate it when kids are committed to Notre Dame "for sure." That's so much worse than "maybe they're in my top five."
I agree the OVs elsewhere are not a good sign. And unclear how he plans to make it to Stanford for a gameday if he's got practice on Saturdays (also curious what he's allowed to actually do in practice since it appears he could eat most of his teammates). But if we indeed get that banquet OV, it means he's saving us for last, which I would take to be a good thing. We'll see.
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I agree, but the downside is that the banquet is a LONG way from now.
 
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Should really have an early signing period.
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I've went back and forth on that. I think if there were an early signing period, that it would be more binding than a verbal (obviously), but you can still get out before the real NSD/LOI.

I think you could have it so a commit could sign a version of LOI early, and from then on until actually NSD/LOI time, any and all visits you take to any campus, official or non-official/camps can happen and you can still change your mind, but those visits need to be documented and the school you signed with, the school you're visiting (obviously) need to know full details.

Could make communication with other schools documented as well, not sure where to draw the lines on that. But I think something like this would improve the current situation, but not make it so someone that signs in July still can't change their mind once they get educated about other schools/things happen... Just make it harder/less likely to happen.

Gives the coaches more of a heads up and so they can plan accordingly.
 
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The only way I'm for an early signing period is if they would let kids take official visits prior to the fall of their senior year.

I think the move to earlier and earlier commitments is an overall negative for ND, especially as we recruit far off places such as California, Texas and Florida. I'm sure there are kids that have considered ND but crossed us off their list since they don't have funds for an unofficial visit and are feeling pressured to make commitments earlier and earlier each year. They say they plan on taking an official during the season, but by the end of the summer they have already verbaled someplace else.
 
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in basketball, cant you get out of your early LOI anyways? Not sure it would help much if a bunch of kids are signing in September then reopen in January based on season results.
 
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Im not in favor of an early signing day. You trap kids that way. Sure, the decommitments get old and frustrating but at the sametime Notre Dame is one of the schools that has benefited the most from kids flipping schools.

Im not sure what the team would look like without Bryant, Martin, Golson, Fuller, Redfield. Then you got guys that could make an impact in Mokwuah and Randolph.

Its part of the game. Sure it sucks when Barnett leaves, but at least he left in May vs Golson leaving UNC in December.

Now, if you want to add something to penalize a decommitment, I may be for that.

LAX and I were talking about "early acceptance" for regular students and how if they are granted that then they cant back out of it in most cases. Something similar could be added to college football and it might make kids/parents think a little more before making a commitment.
 
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If they start paying college athletes they could provide a financial incentive to sign early and stay with that team through NSD.

I'm not for paying athletes but I think that would actually be an easy solution.
 
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I keep going to 1 verbal and 1 final. Kids can change schools once and then they auto redshirt if they change again. Then I think what if the kid doesn't have a support system.

It's a tough deal but I really like what TP said. We have been hurt by some but we have also seen the positive. I think that is what is the attraction to following recruiting honestly. I hate recruiting but I can't turn away!

I will say I would personally rather do the "ND recruit flips, ND flips recruit" versus "5 Star busts". The big time recruits that become busts kill me.
 
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An early signing period just traps kids, and I'm not sure how it really helps us.
Best case scenario, it's only used by the all-in Tristen Hoge types. They're no risk to flip anyway. Worst case, you wind up with a bunch of guys who are signed but having second thoughts and looking for excuses to bail. Eventually you'd have Eddie Vanderdoes's all over the place, and I'm not sure who that helps.
Decommits suck, but personally I'd rather these kids be sure about the biggest decision of their lives. And, in reality, losing transfers, etc. has far more negative impact on the program than the ones who never make it here to start with.
 
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I think a kid should be able to change his mind 579 times on where he'll be going to college. Until signing day, that is. Almost every person I knew in high school flip-flopped at some point on where they were going to school.

Want to stop kids from being divas in the world of recruiting? How bout we stop paying for recruiting subscriptions, following 17 year olds on twitter, watching them on TV, and sprinting to message boards to talk about every detail of the kids' lives every chance we get.
 
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Hog you are asking for the impossible. We spend countless hours on here speculating and violently reacting to the table scraps premium site members share here. It's a sickness, an absolute fucking sickness. We are all part of the 1%, the other 99% are normal fans, who watch on Saturdays in the Fall and have no idea recruiting even exists.
 
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Irish#1 said:
Thanks for the kick in the balls Tommy. lol
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He could be just trying to relieve a little tension with the start of the high school football season. He knows everywhere he goes to play, he is gonna hear it from the LSU faithful. He seems pretty solid to the Irish, and has said so on many occasions. If I gotta hang my hat on something, then I guess that would be it. But man... he is gonna hear it every Friday night for the next four months.
 
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irishog77 said:
I think a kid should be able to change his mind 579 times on where he'll be going to college. Until signing day, that is. Almost every person I knew in high school flip-flopped at some point on where they were going to school.

Want to stop kids from being divas in the world of recruiting? How bout we stop paying for recruiting subscriptions, following 17 year olds on twitter, watching them on TV, and sprinting to message boards to talk about every detail of the kids' lives every chance we get.
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while i dont completely disagree that it may trap kids, i think that if kids sign early and it is not allowed for schools to contact them at all then it takes away any temptation for a signed kid to flip. That is why kids flip, because schools are still coming hard after them. If a kid signs, and that's that's, then kids won't have that pressure from other schools.
 
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