'15 CA QB Travis Waller (Oregon Verbal)

[irish#underground]

Maybe Kelly is preparing himself for Golson to have a great year then jumping ship. Im expecting Golson to have a great year but l really hope he stays.

 

[Henges24]

Maybe Kelly is preparing himself for Golson to have a great year then jumping ship. Im expecting Golson to have a great year but l really hope he stays.

He should stay. He owes the university and the team.

 

[arrowryan]

Maybe Kelly is preparing himself for Golson to have a great year then jumping ship. Im expecting Golson to have a great year but l really hope he stays.

I think the chances of Golson leaving early are extremely unlikely. I don't care if he throws for 5,000 yards, 40 touchdowns, and completes 75% of his passes. Notre Dame did him a huge favor by letting him back in and the least he could do is help the team win and stay at Notre Dame for as long as possible.

If Golson bolts early for the league, that's a huge kick in the nuts.

 

[NDdomer2]

I think the chances of Golson leaving early are extremely unlikely. I don't care if he throws for 5,000 yards, 40 touchdowns, and completes 75% of his passes. Notre Dame did him a huge favor by letting him back in and the least he could do is help the team win and stay at Notre Dame for as long as possible.

If Golson bolts early for the league, that's a huge kick in the nuts.

If he has those stats I would imagine were in the NC again. That would be twice in three years. The amount of money ND would have made off that run via Golson is insane. I think ND would call it even if he left for NFL.

 

[stlnd01]

I think the bigger issue than what Everett Golson may or may not "owe" Notre Dame is that Everett Golson is nowhere close to being an NFL-ready quarterback. Dude hasn't even won the starting job back.

I still think we should take a QB this year, though. It's a position where transfers happen a lot, injuries can really mess you up and depth can become an issue quickly (and, let's be honest, Golson is one mistake away from permanent exile). After the roller-coaster of the last few years, I'd rather have more options than less.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

I have some questions. If you could take a minute to explain several things to me I would appreciate it.

Kelly has said more than once three scholarship quarterbacks are ideal, with a fourth as a preferred walk-on.

Why do we need to push so hard this year?

Don't we have three scholarship quarterbacks with pretty darned high potential with 10 years of scholarship eligibility?

Is the reason we need to push because we have a perceived media, or public relations issue? (I don't even know quite how to say that.)

Would we be better off looking for an athlete first and quarterback second so they could fill in at another position instead of transfer out?

Is Porter Gustin a potential solution, or am I just crazy? (The guy can throw the football fairly well and he is quick, may be an incredible PR coups!)

At this point is our biggest need going forward getting one of these incredible prospects for '16? And would getting a great '15 at a late date make it less likely to get Eason or Malik?

Youre over-thinking it. ND would be 100% fine without a QB in the class. But you can never have too many QBs, and Waller/Stidham/etc would add benefit and competition to the QB spot, so you welcome that. ND wants 4WRs this class, it will be hard to do that without a QB in the class. But, once the season starts and ND is averaging 35+ a game, I think that will help recruiting immensely.

Porter Gustin isnt going to be on a football field until the 2017 or 2018 season. That doesnt help the QB spot, much less expect him to play the QB spot with 2 years out of football. OLB/DE you can make a case for because its less mental. But as you saw with Chris Badger, those kids are good football players, but trying to compete for a Playoff spot they get lost in the shuffle. BYU/Utah, they are good programs, and really have progrmas/experience in re-developing kids that havent played ball for 2-3 years.

But having a Waller in NDs back pocket would be nice. I think it will be 2-3 years before he would be ready to take game snaps, but as we saw this year, Rees got KO'd vs usc, and Hendrix has the worst game I have seen a QB have, and you cant replace him. Having 3 QBs that can play would be excellent to have.

 

[pkt77242]

I have some questions. If you could take a minute to explain several things to me I would appreciate it.

Kelly has said more than once three scholarship quarterbacks are ideal, with a fourth as a preferred walk-on.

Why do we need to push so hard this year?

Don't we have three scholarship quarterbacks with pretty darned high potential with 10 years of scholarship eligibility?

Is the reason we need to push because we have a perceived media, or public relations issue? (I don't even know quite how to say that.)

Would we be better off looking for an athlete first and quarterback second so they could fill in at another position instead of transfer out?

Is Porter Gustin a potential solution, or am I just crazy? (The guy can throw the football fairly well and he is quick, may be an incredible PR coups!)

At this point is our biggest need going forward getting one of these incredible prospects for '16? And would getting a great '15 at a late date make it less likely to get Eason or Malik?

It is highly unlikely that all three QBs on our current roster exhaust all of their eligibility while still at Notre Dame (go pro early, transfer, get kicked out of school, etc).

Here is a list of major programs that over the past few years have had QBs transfer (off the top of my head)
Florida, Florida St, Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma St., Arizona, ASU, USC, Oregon, PSU, Washington and that is all I can think of for now (and some of those teams have seen 2 or more transfers at the QB position).

The fact is that QBs are more likely to transfer than other positions, and taking a QB every year is important in order to deal with the likely loss of players in the future (not that I know of anyone who is leaving, just that based off of historical information it is likely to happen).

 

[Irishnuke]

What happens when you don't take one and Kizer decides to transfer or someone gets suspended and EG or MZ gets knocked out of a game? You'll have the other guy playing with no backup. Obviously this is just a hypothetical, but stranger things have happened. I share the opinion that you take a QB every year.

 

[Rack Em]

What happens when you don't take one and Kizer decides to transfer or someone gets suspended and EG or MZ gets knocked out of a game? You'll have the other guy playing with no backup. Obviously this is just a hypothetical, but stranger things have happened. I share the opinion that you take a QB every year.

Then we're left with a situation where Nate Montana has to play. We had this happen in '10 during Michigan (I believe).

 

[pkt77242]

The craziest part of this conversation is that he is a highly rated recruit. We are not talking about a 3* QB, we are talking about a consensus 4* QB that all 4 services have in their top 150. Crazy shit.

 

[irishfan]

Then we're left with a situation where Nate Montana has to play. We had this happen in '10 during Michigan (I believe).

Tommy made a brief appearance also. Threw a pick on a flea-flicker. I believe it was his first career pass. Not Kelly's best play call.

 

[Rack Em]

Tommy made a brief appearance also. Threw a pick on a flea-flicker. I believe it was his first career pass. Not Kelly's best play call.

Forgive my omission. It was my senior year. I was (thankfully) blacked out for that season.

 

[IrishFaninTX]

Then we're left with a situation where Nate Montana has to play. We had this happen in '10 during Michigan (I believe).

And that is a situation we don't ever want to have happen again.

 

[irishfan]

Forgive my omission. It was my senior year. I was (thankfully) blacked out for that season.

Losses to Navy and Tulsa. OT Fake FG against MSU. Brutal loss to Michigan. Can't blame you haha

 

[Domina Nostra]

Crist was a 5 star stud, and Hendrix was ranked way ahead of Rees. If ND fans tend to take QB ratings with a grain of salt and think Waller's film is underwhelming COMPARED to Barnette's that's not surprising at this point.

3 QBs is ideal, but 4 is much better than 2! If Waller is scout team QB for a year, that would be awesome.

To me, I see Waller : Barnette as Zaire : Golson. As far as tangibles, they are pretty darn close, but Golson seemed to have that it factor. Waller is not a consolation prize, he looks like an excellent prospect. But I expect Barnett to be pretty darn good pretty soon.

 

[IrishLion]

Tommy made a brief appearance also. Threw a pick on a flea-flicker. I believe it was his first career pass. Not Kelly's best play call.

I loved the playcall and will defend it forever, though the result suuuuuuuucked haha.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Tommy made a brief appearance also. Threw a pick on a flea-flicker. I believe it was his first career pass. Not Kelly's best play call.

Rees parents were sitting a row below me. They were as confused as anyone as to why he was in that game.

 

[stlnd01]

It is highly unlikely that all three QBs on our current roster exhaust all of their eligibility while still at Notre Dame (go pro early, transfer, get kicked out of school, etc).

I believe only three QBs recruited by Davie, Willingham, Weis and Kelly combined have exhausted their eligibility as QBs at Notre Dame (Brady Quinn, Evan Sharpley, Tommy Rees).
While things appear stable now, I'd say the odds are pretty good at least one of our current three won't. Take a guy every year.

 

[returnofthemack]

What happens when you don't take one and Kizer decides to transfer or someone gets suspended and EG or MZ gets knocked out of a game? You'll have the other guy playing with no backup. Obviously this is just a hypothetical, but stranger things have happened. I share the opinion that you take a QB every year.

That's the part that I think is the hardest part of recruiting QBs. The theory is that transfers are inevitable so you need to take a QB every year as a contingency plan. However, this is also a self-fulfilling prophecy. When you take one QB every year, and assuming that they redshirt their freshman year, they can hope for some backup reps and only one year of almost-guaranteed starting (or at least prime position to start) as a 5th year-QB. This isn't a problem when you're recruiting guys like Rees that ideally would stay on the bench. However, when you're recruiting 4 and 5-star QBs that have offers from big-time schools all over the country, it's hard to tell them that they'll be competing with at least two other equally highly-regarded QBs, and if they lose, they'll probably get one year to start, maximum, and that's if they beat out the guys underneath them. What a lot of people say at this point is that anybody who doesn't stay is afraid of competition. Every good QB knows in his mind that he will be the starter and will have that swagger about them. However, when they have that confidence, and subsequently lose the QB competition, it either eats away at their confidence, or they think, "F*ck this, I'd easily be the starter at that other school".

That's not to say that Weis' way was right, where you bank on the 5-star QB living up to expectations (who knows what happens with Crist if he starts out under Weis and builds confidence?), because that leads to a player like Rees starting. IDK, just something that's always bothered me and wanted to get some thoughts about it.

 

[stlnd01]

The theory is that transfers are inevitable so you need to take a QB every year as a contingency plan. However, this is also a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Yeah. It kind of is. Especially because QB is the only position in the game where only one guy can really be The Guy. But I don't know that there's anything you can do about it.

I guess one year if you find the perfect three-star who's a good fit for your system and clubhouse guy and just wants to play for Notre Dame and you sandwich him in between a couple of studs, that'd be a nice setup.

But that's pretty hard to predict. The whole player recruitment/development/management process is so unpredictable in college ball that I kind of think you just have to go after the best you can get every year, and let the chips fall where they may.

 

[IrishLion]

https://twitter.com/traviswaller11/status/475843445320204288

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>I am making an announcement tomorrow <a href="https://twitter.com/7pm">@7pm</a> PST <a href="https://twitter.com/TrendsettersWW">@TrendsettersWW</a></p>— ⚡ Travis Waller ⚡ (@traviswaller11) <a href="https://twitter.com/traviswaller11/statuses/475843445320204288">June 9, 2014</a></blockquote>
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EDIT: couldn't embed on my phone last night

 

[IrishLion]

Making an announcement tomorrow at 7pm PST. Sorry if this was already out there, IE has been acting up for me today.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

 

[Cali_domer]

Making an announcement tomorrow at 7pm PST. Sorry if this was already out there, IE has been acting up for me today.

Forgive me if stated in this thread but has he visited?

 

[yankeeND]

That has to be good, right?

 

[andre784]

Whattt..he hasn't even visited yet.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Forgive me if stated in this thread but has he visited?

No. I believe one this month is in the works

 

[IrishLion]

Forgive me if stated in this thread but has he visited?

Not yet, but the wonderful info bringers here at IE lead me to believe that he will visit very soon.

 

[Luckylucci]

That has to be good, right?

I say that the chances of this being good for us is high to very high. Though I like Stidham better I think this is the right move. Take this kid now and have this wrapped up

 

[GATTACA!]

That's the part that I think is the hardest part of recruiting QBs. The theory is that transfers are inevitable so you need to take a QB every year as a contingency plan. However, this is also a self-fulfilling prophecy. When you take one QB every year, and assuming that they redshirt their freshman year, they can hope for some backup reps and only one year of almost-guaranteed starting (or at least prime position to start) as a 5th year-QB. This isn't a problem when you're recruiting guys like Rees that ideally would stay on the bench. However, when you're recruiting 4 and 5-star QBs that have offers from big-time schools all over the country, it's hard to tell them that they'll be competing with at least two other equally highly-regarded QBs, and if they lose, they'll probably get one year to start, maximum, and that's if they beat out the guys underneath them. What a lot of people say at this point is that anybody who doesn't stay is afraid of competition. Every good QB knows in his mind that he will be the starter and will have that swagger about them. However, when they have that confidence, and subsequently lose the QB competition, it either eats away at their confidence, or they think, "F*ck this, I'd easily be the starter at that other school".

That's not to say that Weis' way was right, where you bank on the 5-star QB living up to expectations (who knows what happens with Crist if he starts out under Weis and builds confidence?), because that leads to a player like Rees starting. IDK, just something that's always bothered me and wanted to get some thoughts about it.

The cream rises to the top. If you bring in a guy like Blake and Kizer decides to bolt because he sees the writing on the wall then you just have to live with that type of attrition. Guys are going to leave not solely based on the depth chart so it's good to have more QB's no matter what.