Silly Season '13 (Coaching Changes)

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Gruden and Texas rumors finally starting to surface. Surprised it took so long.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Gruden and Texas rumors finally starting to surface. Surprised it took so long.

Chucky would look good in burnt orange.

 

[Irish#1]

Part of the problem may be the fighting that has been going on between the Governor, Board of Regents, the President and the AD. That's a soap opera made for TV. A lot of these guys may want to stay away from that until it all gets ironed out or someone is kshot with a Colt 45.

I still am curious as to why it has to be a big name coach? Strong has proven himself at a school that is known as a basketball school. That in itself should merit some points.

 

[ThePiombino]

Huh? Geno doesn't coach at Auburn anymore, because he sucks.

Wow, total mental fart. For some reason Malzahn's face popped in my head when I read your post. Paging Dr. Freud ...

 

[IrishLax]

Strong, Franklin, Shaw, Briles, Malzahn, Gundy... that's basically the 6 names I consider realistic possibilities.

Harbaugh? Tomlin? Gruden? Those seem like really large stretches with too many barriers to come to fruition.

 

[Irishnuke]

Strong, Franklin, Shaw, Briles, Malzahn, Gundy... that's basically the 6 names I consider realistic possibilities.

Harbaugh? Tomlin? Gruden? Those seem like really large stretches with too many barriers to come to fruition.

This makes no sense considering his team just went to the Super Bowl (x2).

 

[STLDomer]

Tosh Lupoi - Definitely an interesting back and forth on Lupoi in recent weeks. However sources tell me he will NOT be retained at Washington. Now with that in mind, it doesn't make him a lock to end up at USC. I'm told there are complications with compliance still about adding him to the staff.
Lupoi is not on NCAA probation or under investigation, however USC compliance is on high alert from previous sanctions.
Right now it appears this one may get interesting, but he won't be at Washington.

From Hopkins

 

[Irish#1]

Tosh Lupoi - Definitely an interesting back and forth on Lupoi in recent weeks. However sources tell me he will NOT be retained at Washington. Now with that in mind, it doesn't make him a lock to end up at USC. I'm told there are complications with compliance still about adding him to the staff.
Lupoi is not on NCAA probation or under investigation, however USC compliance is on high alert from previous sanctions.
Right now it appears this one may get interesting, but he won't be at Washington.

From Hopkins

I wonder what happened? Earlier reports had him staying at Washington and not interested in USC.

 

[STLDomer]

I wonder what happened? Earlier reports had him staying at Washington and not interested in USC.

Petersen probably doesn't want a time bomb for NCAA investigation on his staff

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Strong, Franklin, Shaw, Briles, Malzahn, Gundy... that's basically the 6 names I consider realistic possibilities.

Harbaugh? Tomlin? Gruden? Those seem like really large stretches with too many barriers to come to fruition.

Bovada has it

Strong: 2/1
Franklin: 4/1
Briles: 5/1
Gundy: 6/1
Fisher: 9/1
Harbaugh: 10/1
Mora: 10/1
O'Brien: 12/1
Shaw: 12/1
Chip Kelly: 16/1
Tomlin: 33/1


The bolded names look like donations to me. I would be shocked to see Texas wait to talk to a coach until after the NC, I just can't see Tomlin and Harbaugh leaving their young success in the NFL, O'Brien has a real chance to turn Penn State around and become a legend there, Kelly has a show cause for 6 more months, and Shaw just seems like a guy who already has his dream job.

Louisville folk are saying there is little to no chance Strong would go to a school like Texas because he is too uncomfortable with the all the glad-handing that goes along with the UT head football coach/state Senator job. He already makes $3.5M a year so unless they are going to throw Saban money at him the increased salary might not be enough for him to leave the Lville job.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Bovada has it

Strong: 2/1
Franklin: 4/1
Briles: 5/1
Gundy: 6/1
Fisher: 9/1
Harbaugh: 10/1
Mora: 10/1
O'Brien: 12/1
Shaw: 12/1
Chip Kelly: 16/1
Tomlin: 33/1


The bolded names look like donations to me. I would be shocked to see Texas wait to talk to a coach until after the NC, I just can't see Tomlin and Harbaugh leaving their young success in the NFL, O'Brien has a real chance to turn Penn State around and become a legend there, Kelly has a show cause for 6 more months, and Shaw just seems like a guy who already has his dream job.

Louisville folk are saying there is little to no chance Strong would go to a school like Texas because he is too uncomfortable with the all the glad-handing that goes along with the UT head football coach/state Senator job. He already makes $3.5M a year so unless they are going to throw Saban money at him the increased salary might not be enough for him to leave the Lville job.

The show cause for Kelly would be minimal given the slap on the wrist the Ducks got anyway. Not that he is interested anyway.

My bet is that Strong is waiting on Muschamp to get fired next year and then he rides into Gatorland with a nice $5 million contract.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

The show cause for Kelly would be minimal given the slap on the wrist the Ducks got anyway. Not that he is interested anyway.

My bet is that Strong is waiting on Muschamp to get fired next year and then he rides into Gatorland with a nice $5 million contract.

That seems much more likely to me

 

[rtrn2glory]

Bovada has it

Strong: 2/1
Franklin: 4/1
Briles: 5/1
Gundy: 6/1
Fisher: 9/1
Harbaugh: 10/1
Mora: 10/1
O'Brien: 12/1
Shaw: 12/1
Chip Kelly: 16/1
Tomlin: 33/1


The bolded names look like donations to me. I would be shocked to see Texas wait to talk to a coach until after the NC, I just can't see Tomlin and Harbaugh leaving their young success in the NFL, O'Brien has a real chance to turn Penn State around and become a legend there, Kelly has a show cause for 6 more months, and Shaw just seems like a guy who already has his dream job.

Louisville folk are saying there is little to no chance Strong would go to a school like Texas because he is too uncomfortable with the all the glad-handing that goes along with the UT head football coach/state Senator job. He already makes $3.5M a year so unless they are going to throw Saban money at him the increased salary might not be enough for him to leave the Lville job.

i know these guys in vegas know what they are doing, but to me i found harbaugh more like 100-1 than 10-1

 

[ACamp1900]

i know these guys in vegas know what they are doing, but to me i found harbaugh more like 100-1 than 10-1

Remember the real goal of Vegas is not to nail the real odds... it's to even the bets enough across the board so that there is no way they lose money... too many people think odds and lines are what Vegas experts really think will happen in black and white terms... now while that logic obviously plays a part in what they eventually put out there, it's not the underlying goal at all.

 

[Emcee77]

i know these guys in vegas know what they are doing, but to me i found harbaugh more like 100-1 than 10-1

Remember the real goal of Vegas is not to nail the real odds... it's to even the bets enough across the board so that there is no way they lose money... too many people think odds and lines are what Vegas experts really think will happen in black and white terms... now while that logic obviously plays a part in what they eventually put out there, it's not the underlying goal at all.

Right ... all that 10-1 line on Harbaugh tells you is that there are way too many idiots betting on Harbaugh, likely just based on name recognition.

 

[PANDFAN]

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[domerfreak]

Gruden and Texas rumors finally starting to surface. Surprised it took so long.

Report: Jon Gruden would be interested in Texas job | NBC Sports

Fwiw

 

[IrishJayhawk]

It's not sexy, but Franklin would be an outstanding hire.

 

[woolybug25]

I'm not a fan of Franklin and have never got the fascination with him. The dude is 23-15 as a head coach with a losing record of 11-13 in the SEC. Most of which are wins against the lower half of the league. He is 1-1 in bowl games and has only won one game against a team that was ranked at the end of the season his entire career.

That was a #15 ranked Georgia and he cried during the post game press conference.

Guy is way over rated, imo.

 

[pkt77242]

I'm not a fan of Franklin and have never got the fascination with him. The dude is 23-15 as a head coach with a losing record of 11-13 in the SEC. Most of which are wins against the lower half of the league. He is 1-1 in bowl games and has only won one game against a team that was ranked at the end of the season his entire career.

That was a #15 ranked Georgia and he cried during the post game press conference.

Guy is way over rated, imo.

Do you know how bad Vanderbilt was before he arrived? They were 2-10 the two seasons before he arrived. Vanderbilt has only been to six bowl games and 3 of those came under Franklin. The dude can recruit and coach.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I'm not a fan of Franklin and have never got the fascination with him. The dude is 23-15 as a head coach with a losing record of 11-13 in the SEC. Most of which are wins against the lower half of the league. He is 1-1 in bowl games and has only won one game against a team that was ranked at the end of the season his entire career.

That was a #15 ranked Georgia and he cried during the post game press conference.

Guy is way over rated, imo.

All in the context of the fact that he coaches at Vandy, a program that had won more than 5 games one time since 1982 prior to Franklin doing it in all three of his years. He also led them to their first winning SEC season since 1982.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

I'm also of the school of thought that Franklin is overrated. He is doing things at Vandy which are great for a program with such a miserable history but IMO opinion that just comes down to him being a hype man who can recruit. Recruiting well can get you 8 wins when you play Austin Peay (0-12), UMass (1-11), AUB (2-10), and Wake Forest (4-8) in your out of conference schedule.

Texas doesn't need a hypeman. They will recruit well no matter what. Franklin has one win against a team that they weren't supposed to beat, and that was UGA in Nashville without Gurley, Marshall, Malcolm Mitchell, and Michael Bennett on offense. Franklin has yet to show me that he is a good coach and deserving of a top 5 job in CFB

His SEC wins were against teams that were a combined 19-29, if you remove UGA the other three were 11-25. That means their 8 wins were against teams that were a combined 26-70. That just doesn't scream to me that this is a guy who has proven he deserves a shot at the UT job. I would be really worried as a UT fan if they hired him

 

[woolybug25]

All in the context of the fact that he coaches at Vandy, a program that had won more than 5 games one time since 1982 prior to Franklin doing it in all three of his years. He also led them to their first winning SEC season since 1982.

Coaches take over bad programs all of the time and do much better than Franklin. Why does a few sub .500 conference seasons make him worthy of one of the best coaching jobs in all of football?

Not to mention, put in context their schedules under Franklin.

2011
Elon W45-14 1-0 (0-0)
Connecticut W24-21 2-0 (0-0)
Ole Miss W30-7 3-0 (1-0)
@#12 South Carolina L21-3 3-1 (1-1)
@#2 Alabama L34-0 3-2 (1-2)
Georgia L33-28 3-3 (1-3)
Army W44-21 4-3 (1-3)
#10 Arkansas L31-28 4-4 (1-4)
@Florida L26-21 4-5 (1-5)
vsKentucky W38-8 5-5 (2-5)
@Tennessee L27-21 OT 5-6 (2-6)
*Played three ranked teams and lost to all of them, 2 in blowouts. Almost lost to Uconn.

2012
vs#9 South Carolina L17-13 0-1 (0-1)
@Northwestern L23-13 0-2 (0-1)
vsPresbyterian W58-0 1-2 (0-1)
@#5 Georgia L48-3 1-3 (0-2)
@Missouri W19-15 2-3 (1-2)
vs#4 Florida L31-17 2-4 (1-3)
vsAuburn W17-13 3-4 (2-3)
vsMassachusetts W49-7 4-4 (2-3)
@Kentucky W40-0 5-4 (3-3)
@Ole Miss W27-26 6-4 (4-3)
vsTennessee W41-18 7-4 (5-3)
@Wake Forest W55-21 8-4 (5-3)
FRANKLIN AMERICAN MORTGAGE MUSIC CITY BOWL
vsNC State* W38-24 9-4 (5-3)
*Again... nothing special with no signature win and no wins over a ranked team.

2013
vsOle Miss L39-35 0-1 (0-1)
vsAustin Peay W38-3 1-1 (0-1)
@#13 South Carolina L35-25 1-2 (0-2)
@Massachusetts W24-7 2-2 (0-2)
vsUAB W52-24 3-2 (0-2)
vsMissouri L51-28 3-3 (0-3)
vs#15 Georgia W31-27 4-3 (1-3)
@#16 Texas A&M L56-24 4-4 (1-4)
@Florida W34-17 5-4 (2-4)
vsKentucky W22-6 6-4 (3-4)
@Tennessee W14-10 7-4 (4-4)
vsWake Forest W23-21 8-4 (4-4)
*Finally... a win over a ranked team. A home game against a #15 ranked UGA team that just had a devastating loss to Mizzou a week prior. Again... he cried in the post game press conference. That's not a dude ready for Texas.

That is his resume. It is what it is and I don't see that as the resume of the next coach at Texas.

 

[pkt77242]

Coaches take over bad programs all of the time and do much better than Franklin. Why does a few sub .500 conference seasons make him worthy of one of the best coaching jobs in all of football?

Not to mention, put in context their schedules under Franklin.

2011
Elon W45-14 1-0 (0-0)
Connecticut W24-21 2-0 (0-0)
Ole Miss W30-7 3-0 (1-0)
@#12 South Carolina L21-3 3-1 (1-1)
@#2 Alabama L34-0 3-2 (1-2)
Georgia L33-28 3-3 (1-3)
Army W44-21 4-3 (1-3)
#10 Arkansas L31-28 4-4 (1-4)
@Florida L26-21 4-5 (1-5)
vsKentucky W38-8 5-5 (2-5)
@Tennessee L27-21 OT 5-6 (2-6)
*Played three ranked teams and lost to all of them, 2 in blowouts. Almost lost to Uconn.

2012
vs#9 South Carolina L17-13 0-1 (0-1)
@Northwestern L23-13 0-2 (0-1)
vsPresbyterian W58-0 1-2 (0-1)
@#5 Georgia L48-3 1-3 (0-2)
@Missouri W19-15 2-3 (1-2)
vs#4 Florida L31-17 2-4 (1-3)
vsAuburn W17-13 3-4 (2-3)
vsMassachusetts W49-7 4-4 (2-3)
@Kentucky W40-0 5-4 (3-3)
@Ole Miss W27-26 6-4 (4-3)
vsTennessee W41-18 7-4 (5-3)
@Wake Forest W55-21 8-4 (5-3)
FRANKLIN AMERICAN MORTGAGE MUSIC CITY BOWL
vsNC State* W38-24 9-4 (5-3)
*Again... nothing special with no signature win and no wins over a ranked team.

2013
vsOle Miss L39-35 0-1 (0-1)
vsAustin Peay W38-3 1-1 (0-1)
@#13 South Carolina L35-25 1-2 (0-2)
@Massachusetts W24-7 2-2 (0-2)
vsUAB W52-24 3-2 (0-2)
vsMissouri L51-28 3-3 (0-3)
vs#15 Georgia W31-27 4-3 (1-3)
@#16 Texas A&M L56-24 4-4 (1-4)
@Florida W34-17 5-4 (2-4)
vsKentucky W22-6 6-4 (3-4)
@Tennessee W14-10 7-4 (4-4)
vsWake Forest W23-21 8-4 (4-4)
*Finally... a win over a ranked team. A home game against a #15 ranked UGA team that just had a devastating loss to Mizzou a week prior. Again... he cried in the post game press conference. That's not a dude ready for Texas.

That is his resume. It is what it is and I don't see that as the resume of the next coach at Texas.

Bullshit. Coaches don't take over programs as bad as Vanderbilt and turn them into winners overnight in power conferences. It just doesn't happen. Vanderbilt didn't just have a bad year or two they were horrible for many, many years and couldn't get any good recruits then Franklin comes and turns them into a good team in 3 years.

We all think Harbaugh is a great coach, lets look at his first three years at Stanford which had won much more recently than Vanderbilt
Year 1: 4-8
Year 2: 5-7
Year 3: 8-5

This is probably the closest example to what Franklin faced at Vanderbilt unless you want to compare it to Duke.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

That is his resume. It is what it is and I don't see that as the resume of the next coach at Texas.

It's not an exact science, but I think that's an amazing resume for that job. I know they aren't wins, but there are several near misses on that resume as well.

What he has been able to do in the SEC with a program that has been a laughing stock is pretty remarkable. They'll be playing in their 3rd straight bowl game (1-1 record so far) after only playing in 4 from 1890 to 2010.

But, who knows.

 

[philipm31]

This makes no sense considering his team just went to the Super Bowl (x2).

They went to the NFC CG two times in a row now, but I am not sure they can pull it off again this year. Harbaugh certainly seems like the right guy for the Niners and I hope that he stays. I certainly do not want to see him in TX!! Unless it is beating up the Cowboys

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Bullshit. Coaches don't take over programs as bad as Vanderbilt and turn them into winners overnight in power conferences. It just doesn't happen. Vanderbilt didn't just have a bad year or two they were horrible for many, many years and couldn't get any good recruits then Franklin comes and turns them into a good team in 3 years.

We all think Harbaugh is a great coach, lets look at his first three years at Stanford which had won much more recently than Vanderbilt
Year 1: 4-8
Year 2: 5-7
Year 3: 8-5

This is probably the closest example to what Franklin faced at Vanderbilt unless you want to compare it to Duke.

I know the point you're trying to make but let me submit one thing, when Harbaugh took over Stanford in 2007 they hadn't had a winning season since 2001, Vandy had a winning season in 2008 with wins over #24 SC and #14 Auburn and Vandy was ranked as high at #13 that year. So while Vandy had been terrible for many years they had the athletes to pull off the 2008 season so maybe the turn around had already begun. I would also suggest that Franklin at Vandy is at an advantage over Harbaugh at Stanford because the admissions are looser and he can pitch ESE EEE CEE.

 

[ACamp1900]

Franklin may very well end up a home run hire for a school like Texas, and he may not... but I can tell you this for certain, the alumni base would flip a shit fit if that's the 'best they can do'... The full on, non-stop expectation has this would be a no doubt Home Run hire and that expectation has been there for at least a solid calendar year... If it’s anyone but a no doubter, big name, Austin will not be a very happy place.

 

[ND NYC]

i think Gundy makes sense for Texas

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Franklin may very well end up a home run hire for a school like Texas, and he may not... but I can tell you this for certain, the alumni base would flip a shit fit if that's the 'best they can do'... The full on, non-stop expectation has this would be a no doubt Home Run hire and that expectation has been there for at least a solid calendar year... If it’s anyone but a no doubter, big name, Austin will not be a very happy place.

This is kind of my point. I don't think we can confidently say that Franklin is a good coach. He may be. Taking him is a huge risk, IMO, and I would not be happy as a UT fan