Silly Season '13 (Coaching Changes)

[Irish#1]

Too hard to coach in the pros. College you have control over your program, for the most part, but too much money involved in the pros. Schiano could get back to building something at PSU, right mentality one would think. As much as I hate PSU, I really like O'Brien.

It's certainly a different beast, but maybe that's what the attraction is, more of a challenge.

 

[Irish#1]

I still don't understand where UT earned this false image of being a blue blood powerhouse in CFB that can pick and choose their heir to the throne.

They weren't relevant until the 60's, and took the 80's and 90's off. Mack's is by far their most impressive (Royal won a title by default, and once even after an embarrassing bowl loss) coach in program history.

Not true.........Look at Brown's record at Texas. He won a NC and was in another NC game. Of the top ten programs, they are in my list.

BTW.....A lot of people have said the same thing about ND, but it's still one of the top programs.

 

[rtrn2glory]

The Scoop

warriner and former BG assistant Durkin in the running for the BG job among a couple other guys.

 

[chubler]

Not true.........Look at Brown's record at Texas. He won a NC and was in another NC game. Of the top ten programs, they are in my list.

BTW.....A lot of people have said the same thing about ND, but it's still one of the top programs.

11 vs 4 consensus MNC's helps your case a little bit though

 

[stlnd01]

But we recruit against Stanford for the same student-athletes. We NEED Stanford to be an FBS bottom dweller again more than we need UT to be an 8-4 or 9-3 every year.

I get what you're saying but how many recruits do we actually lose to Stanford?
Looking at their last few classes I don't see a lot of names we were seriously in on. This year the only one is Solomon Thomas. Given the under-the-radar kids we've pulled out of Texas the last few cycles I actually think a UT recruiting operation that focused more on fit and culture than on stars might in some ways be more dangerous to us.
Plus Stanford being good gives us a quality rival to play every year, and another serious academic institution at the top of college football's heap. I'll keep rooting for them 11 games a year, thank you.

 

[philipm31]

Not true.........Look at Brown's record at Texas. He won a NC and was in another NC game. Of the top ten programs, they are in my list.

BTW.....A lot of people have said the same thing about ND, but it's still one of the top programs.

HAVE said???

ND has had that very same thing said for the last twenty years....and counting.

TX really became notable under Royal and a legitimate powerhouse under Brown.

Sure they had a long stretch of mediocrity, but honestly, when your program has over 700 Ws and MULTIPLE national titles, you are a powerhouse, period.

 

[Rack Em]

I get what you're saying but how many recruits do we actually lose to Stanford?
Looking at their last few classes I don't see a lot of names we were seriously in on. This year the only one is Solomon Thomas. Given the under-the-radar kids we've pulled out of Texas the last few cycles I actually think a UT recruiting operation that focused more on fit and culture than on stars might in some ways be more dangerous to us.
Plus Stanford being good gives us a quality rival to play every year, and another serious academic institution at the top of college football's heap. I'll keep rooting for them 11 games a year, thank you.

It's not just guys we've lost to Stanford. Some of their recruits wouldn't consider them if they were as awful as they used to be. Consequently, many would then give ND a stronger look.

2014: Thomas, McCaffrey
2013: Hooper, Owusu
2012: Carter, Garnett, Whitfield, Peat, Sanders Jr, Shittu, Davis
2011: Lyons, Wright
2010: Leuders

Given, it wasn't a Stanford vs. ND battle for all these players but this is a sample of recruits we've been in on and lost out to Stanford. These are recruits that don't have any academic concerns and will absolutely be admitted to ND. Hell they plucked 2 recruits out of IN!

The sooner they return to mediocrity, the better. And, right now, Shaw leaving is the best shot that will happen.

Stanford and ND will battle over a different type of kid than Texas and ND will battle over. There aren't enough in the former group to be splitting with Stanford and a really good coach in Shaw. We NEED to clean up to consistently be a top 10 team.

 

[IrishLax]

It's not just guys we've lost to Stanford. Some of their recruits wouldn't consider them if they were as awful as they used to be. Consequently, many would then give ND a stronger look.

2014: Thomas, McCaffrey
2013: Hooper, Owusu
2012: Carter, Garnett, Whitfield, Peat, Sanders Jr, Shittu, Davis
2011: Lyons, Wright
2010: Leuders

Given, it wasn't a Stanford vs. ND battle for all these players but this is a sample of recruits we've been in on and lost out to Stanford. These are recruits that don't have any academic concerns and will absolutely be admitted to ND. Hell they plucked 2 recruits out of IN!

The sooner they return to mediocrity, the better. And, right now, Shaw leaving is the best shot that will happen.

Stanford and ND will battle over a different type of kid than Texas and ND will battle over. There aren't enough in the former group to be splitting with Stanford and a really good coach in Shaw. We NEED to clean up to consistently be a top 10 team.

I totally 1000% agree with what you're saying here about the importance of Stanford dying in a fire and returning to mediocrity so that smart kids really only have one option for elite football. It is spot on.

The good news is that since the nadir of 2012, we're winning far more of these battles than we're losing. The ones I bolded we didn't off or otherwise passed on... maybe there are some more you left out on your list that we lost... but the good thing about this staff is they've gotten progressively better at recruiting against Stanford after Polian left AND we put together that 2013 run to the title game. The only guy since then that they've landed who we offered is McCaffery and he's a legacy to Stanford. We're no longer losing guys like Leuders, Carter, Davis, Lyons, Peat, Garnett, etc. who are elite academics-first recruits.

 

[NDdomer2]

I totally 1000% agree with what you're saying here about the importance of Stanford dying in a fire and returning to mediocrity so that smart kids really only have one option for elite football. It is spot on.

The good news is that since the nadir of 2012, we're winning far more of these battles than we're losing. The ones I bolded we didn't off or otherwise passed on... maybe there are some more you left out on your list that we lost... but the good thing about this staff is they've gotten progressively better at recruiting against Stanford after Polian left AND we put together that 2013 run to the title game. The only guy since then that they've landed who we offered is McCaffery and he's a legacy to Stanford. We're no longer losing guys like Leuders, Carter, Davis, Lyons, Peat, Garnett, etc. who are elite academics-first recruits.

these two with all the other OL recruits we have. wouldnt even be fair.

 

[ACamp1900]

HAVE said???

ND has had that very same thing said for the last twenty years....and counting.

TX really became notable under Royal and a legitimate powerhouse under Brown.

Sure they had a long stretch of mediocrity, but honestly, when your program has over 700 Ws and MULTIPLE national titles, you are a powerhouse, period.

This. They have won multiple NC's... are top three (I think) in wins and winning precentage... and certainly have the history... Bama, Texas, OU, USC, Michigan, tOSU, Notre Dame, Nebraska... that's the A list to the party... regardless of where any are currently IMO. Also, in terms of coaching, which job is better?? Very few are even comparable...

 

[Ironman8]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>I am now a candidate for the Texas head coaching job. If I'm elected head coach i will only recruit the state of FL. <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23ThatIsAll&src=hash">#ThatIsAll</a></p>— lOUIS NIX III (@1IrishChocolate) <a href="https://twitter.com/1IrishChocolate/statuses/412740760664948736">December 17, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[IrishJayhawk]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>I am now a candidate for the Texas head coaching job. If I'm elected head coach i will only recruit the state of FL. <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23ThatIsAll&src=hash">#ThatIsAll</a></p>— lOUIS NIX III (@1IrishChocolate) <a href="https://twitter.com/1IrishChocolate/statuses/412740760664948736">December 17, 2013</a></blockquote>
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Might be my favorite player ever.

 

[Irish#1]

HAVE said???

ND has had that very same thing said for the last twenty years....and counting.

TX really became notable under Royal and a legitimate powerhouse under Brown.

Sure they had a long stretch of mediocrity, but honestly, when your program has over 700 Ws and MULTIPLE national titles, you are a powerhouse, period.

Not sure what you're implying. If you read the post I responded to and then my reply you'll see that I said the same thing you are saying.

 

[Irish#1]

This. They have won multiple NC's... are top three (I think) in wins and winning precentage... and certainly have the history... Bama, Texas, OU, USC, Michigan, tOSU, Notre Dame, Nebraska... that's the A list to the party... regardless of where any are currently IMO. Also, in terms of coaching, which job is better?? Very few are even comparable...

You sir are correct.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>I am now a candidate for the Texas head coaching job. If I'm elected head coach i will only recruit the state of FL. <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23ThatIsAll&src=hash">#ThatIsAll</a></p>— lOUIS NIX III (@1IrishChocolate) <a href="https://twitter.com/1IrishChocolate/statuses/412740760664948736">December 17, 2013</a></blockquote>
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Nix certainly has a future in recruiting after his playing days are over if he wants it. He would clean up.

 

[philipm31]

Not sure what you're implying. If you read the post I responded to and then my reply you'll see that I said the same thing you are saying.

I was not implying anything. I was clearly emphasizing that the same has been said of the Irish and any top team, as there is always an ebb and flow, but that when you win as much as TX has, then you are a top team.

I fleshed out your answer, basically.

I do not get what your beef is with my reply.

 

[Irish#1]

I was not implying anything. I was clearly emphasizing that the same has been said of the Irish and any top team, as there is always an ebb and flow, but that when you win as much as TX has, then you are a top team.

I fleshed out your answer, basically.

I do not get what your beef is with my reply.

When I read your response, to me it implied that I had stated just the opposite. No beef, it's all good.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Vegas has Charlie Strong a 2-1 favorite to get the Longhorn job. Someone help me here. So when did Strong become an elite college football coach? Not saying he is not a good coach but this is Texas and I would think they could do better.

 

[IrishLion]

Vegas has Charlie Strong a 2-1 favorite to get the Longhorn job. Someone help me here. So when did Strong become an elite college football coach? Not saying he is not a good coach but this is Texas and I would think they could do better.

I think his job of salvaging the dumpster fire that was Louisville post-Kragthorpe in just four years was pretty outstanding. I think he would quickly prove to be an elite coach if he had the resources and recruiting grounds that Texas has.

While Bridgewater has been a huge part of Louisville's recent success, the entire roster is pretty solid. I think they'll go in and compete right away in the ACC, unless of course Strong leaves. But even then, the state of the program is well-off enough that a successor will have a solid foundation to work with. I think that speaks to Strong's quality as a coach. Honestly, I'm surprised he was there this season. The only reason I think he's still there is because he truly believes that they can become a regular power in the ACC.

 

[ND NYC]

I think his job of salvaging the dumpster fire that was Louisville post-Kragthorpe in just four years was pretty outstanding. I think he would quickly prove to be an elite coach if he had the resources and recruiting grounds that Texas has.

While Bridgewater has been a huge part of Louisville's recent success, the entire roster is pretty solid. I think they'll go in and compete right away in the ACC, unless of course Strong leaves. But even then, the state of the program is well-off enough that a successor will have a solid foundation to work with. I think that speaks to Strong's quality as a coach. Honestly, I'm surprised he was there this season. The only reason I think he's still there is because he truly believes that they can become a regular power in the ACC.

i think he decided long time ago to stay at Louisville this year....when he saw their 2013 schedule. figured he had a legit chance to make a natty run. and he did have a shot. they just squandered it.
but make no mistake, if TX wants him, they will get him. but it dont think hes right guy for that place. they can (and should) do better, IMO.

 

[dublinirish]

Charlie Strong is Bovada’s betting favorite for Texas job | CollegeFootballTalk

 

[drayer54]

All I want for Christmas is for Gene Chizik to be the next coach at Texas.

 

[ThePiombino]

All I want for Christmas is for Gene Chizik to be the next coach at Texas.

Why? I would rather a competent coach at Auburn help keep Bama in line.

 

[PANDFAN]

on the herd, colin had someone on who mentioned that lane coming to bama was because they finished 8th in the sec in offense. according to a source colin trusts, doug was possibly going to be forced out this year by saban and that doug also would prob take a hc at a smaller school...he also mentioned that doug was sark's oc at washington and considered heading to usc w/ him..

 

[drayer54]

Why? I would rather a competent coach at Auburn help keep Bama in line.

Huh? Geno doesn't coach at Auburn anymore, because he sucks.

 

[ThePiombino]

on the herd, colin had someone on who mentioned that lane coming to bama was because they finished 8th in the sec in offense. according to a source colin trusts, doug was possibly going to be forced out this year by saban and that doug also would prob take a hc at a smaller school...

Thus opening the door for Kiffin to once again fall "up", relative to where he SHOULD be after the SC fiasco.

 

[Emcee77]

All I want for Christmas is for Gene Chizik to be the next coach at Texas.

Lol. Interesting recent interview he gave:

Q&A: Coach Gene Chizik on Auburn ouster, team's current success

I wonder where he will end up.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Strong has done a good job at the Ville but in no way is he an elite coach. Can he be? Maybe. But for a job such as Texas... and the money they appear to be willing to offer.... they can do better.

Chizik is a solid DC and should go back to that. As a HC he was awful. But nobody can discount his ability to put a really solid defense out there. Wish him well. He just got caught in the whirlwind that is Bobby Lauder and Pat Dye.

 

[rtrn2glory]

interesting if strong would get it. possibly could turn into a home run hire down the road, but agree was thinking they'd land someone bigger. Perhaps they keep getting hung up on when they call the big names and strong is the only one that will listen. thought he just signed a big extension last year??

he is a stud recruiter from all accounts and has a good resume on the defensive side of the ball.

imo if they big fish have already said no, it would be a pretty could hire.

 

[Emcee77]

Charlie Strong is Bovada’s betting favorite for Texas job | CollegeFootballTalk

The most bizarre thing to me is that Tomlin gets mentioned in these articles. He has no connection to Texas that I'm aware of and he hasn't been a college coach since the 90's when he was a position coach for low-level schools like Arkansas State (though that's the new cradle of coaches). I don't see that one at all.