BK: Field Turf is Coming

[IrishBlood81]

Nike > Adidas.

Better exposure, more popular with recruits, better uniforms, etc.

Do we all need to Google those atrocious basketball uniforms from last year, or the 2012 Shamrock uniforms?

Dude, I'm way for Nike. I have been for quite some time. Just can't imagine anyone is ready for the fall to ensue. I sorta liked the 2012 uni's. Not amazing, but different and creative.

I think what he was getting at is the meltdown speculating if ND ever did something with traditional unis along the lines of Oregon.

And the fact that the ole timers hate Nike and the sweatshop thingy. Adidas has almost been a saint for so long that switching to the pagan Nike might be mortal sin. I"m not sure, I'll have to check with the Vatican.

The guy who bumped this thread needs to take a lap. I read the first two pages thinking it was breaking news until I noticed the dates.

Haha! I do that ALL the time. Quite annoying when you're replying to someone who's probably dead now.

When ND can make a good looking "the shirt" then maybe just maybe

That would be a miracle! Though, I'm pretty sure that isn't Adidas design thats the student body right?

Personally, I think I'd be cool with a jumbotron, if it was done tastefully. The worst aspect of the jumbotroning (sp) of ND stadium would be the advertising. I'm not a communist, socialist, whatever, but that stuff would get on my nerves. Keep it out. No kiss cams. No cheesy interviews. TP hype videos and the like, replays, and highlights only.

While we're at it, where is that music post again? The music is cool, but someone needs to chill on the repeat button. It loses it's effect quickly when it becomes predictable.

Yo, I saw this Jumbotron at an NFL game, wish I could remember who… thinking it was the Chiefs, at Arrowhead stadium. It was this sleek, slim design, unobtrusive football shaped screen that was incredible. I'd love a 'tron like that. Smooth and tasteful to tradition.

As for the music, mate I couldn't agree more. We need to switch up the DJ and get the 80year old homey out of there. Its quite annoying to hear the beginning of Crazy Train 17 times and never get to the guitar riff. Also, some creativity would be outstanding.

 

[IrishLion]

But that's not really a difference between the turf argument and the reductio ad absurdum argument that we should just build a dome. Keeping rain off the field would improve conditions AT LEAST as much as an artificial surface would. May I ask why you're opposed to a dome? My guess is your answer is somewhere along the lines of aesthetics and/or tradition. That same argument applies to the grass. You might not think it outweighs the other considerations, but to dismiss the argument entirely requires you to also accept a dome to maintain intellectual consistency.


I'd be happy with the 5% artificial stuff. The problem is, BK said "FieldTurf". FieldTurf is a name brand and it's 100% artificial.


That's the biggest misconception in this entire conversation. Artificial turf is still slippery in the rain and the snow, and can be even worse since you can't wear true cleats (depending on the specific type of surface used).

1. It is different. To me, it just seems like it would be much more of a hassle, both in terms of time and cost, to add a dome. It's NOT a hassle to add turf, which I stated in my original post.

2. I would be willing to bet that BK uses "fieldturf" as a general term, just like many people do in casual conversation. I have no idea what brand my highschool used, I just called it fieldturf.

3. You won't see chunks of turf flying out of the ground after heavy rain like you would on a natural surface.

 

[wizards8507]

1. It is different. To me, it just seems like it would be much more of a hassle, both in terms of time and cost, to add a dome. It's NOT a hassle to add turf, which I stated in my original post.

Then you're much more reasonable than most of the people that agree with you. A lot of folks are all in for FieldTurf but dismiss a dome as something outrageous. At least you acknowledge they're legitimately in the same line of thinking, just differing in degree of difficulty to implement.

2. I would be willing to bet that BK uses "fieldturf" as a general term, just like many people do in casual conversation. I have no idea what brand my highschool used, I just called it fieldturf.

That was my first thought too, and you might be right. My only hesitation is that he would probably want to choose his words carefully if the university were in something along the lines of contract negotiations with one of these companies.

3. You won't see chunks of turf flying out of the ground after heavy rain like you would on a natural surface.

To each his own, I suppose. I'm not opposed to chunks of turf flying around.

 

[IrishLion]

To each his own, I suppose. I'm not opposed to chunks of turf flying around.

I'm not either in general, actually. I just feel that turf makes the most sense for the team that ND is currently putting on the field. ND is getting to the point where they are generally faster/more athletic than the opposition, or at least in terms of key matchups. Adding an even partially synthetic surface would offer more stability than what currently exists, and this stability would make ND's speed/athleticism advantage even more apparent and would ultimately benefit the team.

 

[Irish#1]

Yes, because that is clearly what I and everyone else in favor of field turf is asking for...

Don't get your panties in a knot. I understand Kelly doesn't like the grass and I get the impact a jumbotron can have. If those get put in you won't hear me whine one bit. My point is football has been played outdoors on grass for years. I think it's an integral element of the game.

 

[Irish#1]

I'm not either in general, actually. I just feel that turf makes the most sense for the team that ND is currently putting on the field. ND is getting to the point where they are generally faster/more athletic than the opposition, or at least in terms of key matchups. Adding an even partially synthetic surface would offer more stability than what currently exists, and this stability would make ND's speed/athleticism advantage even more apparent and would ultimately benefit the team.

That's a fallacy that has hung on for years. If you're faster than someone you're faster than them on grass, artificial turf or concrete. I can remember the '76 game against Pitt when they had Dorsett. I was amazed how tall the grass was for that game. They had left it long to slow him down. Second play of the game he goes about 65 yards off tackle for a TD. Why would the long grass slow Pitt down but not ND?

 

[IrishLion]

That's a fallacy that has hung on for years. If you're faster than someone you're faster than them on grass, artificial turf or concrete. I can remember the '76 game against Pitt when they had Dorsett. I was amazed how tall the grass was for that game. They had left it long to slow him down. Second play of the game he goes about 65 yards off tackle for a TD. Why would the long grass slow Pitt down but not ND?

Yes you're faster than them in GOOD conditions. In poor conditions, that advantage is eliminated because everyone has trouble cutting/accelerating. The more athletic team will still have an advantage, but not as largely as it were in clear conditions.

By installing an artificial surface, you are limiting the risk for conditions that would eliminate your advantage. Turf gets just as slick in rain/snow/ice as grass, but the difference is that the ground does not begin to detiorate overall and give way with wear-and-tear. There is at least still a firm base for the athletes to accelerate on.

 

[Irish8248]

basketball began on pavement
hockey began on a pond
golf started in the hills

Dont the Celtics use a cushioned court?
Zambonis in hockey were not the norm until Post WW2
Hell even baseball has changed

 

[dshans]

basketball began on pavement
hockey began on a pond
golf started in the hills

Dont the Celtics use a cushioned court?
Zambonis in hockey were not the norm until Post WW2
Hell even baseball has changed

Well, let's see.

Pavement is a hard (possibly) flat surface.
Hockey is played on turf or frozen water, depending on the game.
Golf (according to some) started on a horse racing track. Flat, I think.
Baseball HAS changed but is (overall) most often played on natural grass.

 

[Irish#1]

Yes you're faster than them in GOOD conditions. In poor conditions, that advantage is eliminated because everyone has trouble cutting/accelerating. The more athletic team will still have an advantage, but not as largely as it were in clear conditions.

By installing an artificial surface, you are limiting the risk for conditions that would eliminate your advantage. Turf gets just as slick in rain/snow/ice as grass, but the difference is that the ground does not begin to detiorate overall and give way with wear-and-tear. There is at least still a firm base for the athletes to accelerate on.

I understand what you're saying, but I don't agree. The superior athlete will always be superior. If the playing surface has deteriorated the superior athlete still has the advantage. I would also say the better athlete has more of an advantage in poor conditions. The ball carrier knows where he is and when he's going to cut. The defender doesn't, so he has to stay planted longer or risk slipping as he has to react to the ball carriers cut.

 

[RuntheBall]

You can't run a Ferrari in the mud.

 

[NDohio]

I understand what you're saying, but I don't agree. The superior athlete will always be superior. If the playing surface has deteriorated the superior athlete still has the advantage. I would also say the better athlete has more of an advantage in poor conditions. The ball carrier knows where he is and when he's going to cut. The defender doesn't, so he has to stay planted longer or risk slipping as he has to react to the ball carriers cut.

I don't agree with this. Ball carriers see a glimmer of light and react immediately. Their cuts are not pre-planned once the play begins(WR is a different story). If a guy like TF sees a crease he attempts to explode through that crease. On a field that is not keeping it's composure due to the weather, he slips and often goes down. On a turf field he may slip but the chances are less likely that his feet will completely go out from under him like a grass field that the area he is cutting on completely goes away.


I like the idea of turf, either the hybrid or field turf would be fine, I just want the integrity of the field to stay intact throughout the season. Changing sod three times in a season is ridiculous.

 

[dublinirish]

You can't run a Ferrari in the mud.

yeah you can !

Liverpool and England star Andre Wisdom forced to abandon £100,000 Porsche in mud pit | Mail Online

 

[phork]

I understand what you're saying, but I don't agree. The superior athlete will always be superior. If the playing surface has deteriorated the superior athlete still has the advantage. I would also say the better athlete has more of an advantage in poor conditions. The ball carrier knows where he is and when he's going to cut. The defender doesn't, so he has to stay planted longer or risk slipping as he has to react to the ball carriers cut.

Except when you don't cut the grass to slow down USCs receivers.

 

[RDU Irish]

Some of you must be really disappointed when we have a 70 degree sunny day for a football game?

Field turf, in some variety, is a must have in my book. If needing to replace a surface 3 times in one year isn't enough evidence in favor of this then I don't know what is.

 

[clashmore_mike]

Trollin'


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[WakeUpEchoes]

Because baseball field is getting new turf.

 

[NDdomer2]

so many turf threads i just picked the last one bumped

saw this article. Pretty good.

Checking the Narrative: Notre Dame and Field Turf - Her Loyal Sons

 

[wizards8507]

Dammit Jack, what happened to "we'll announce something when the BOD gets back from Rome"?

If construction begins in mid-May (commencement is May 18), Swarbrick said it would not be completed until about a week before Notre Dame’s home opener against Rice on Aug. 30.

That's tight...

The preferences tended to be position-specific, he said, with backs and receivers favoring the faster FieldTurf and linemen preferring grass.

Interesting, if not unexpected.

 

[NCND]

Dammit Jack, what happened to "we'll announce something when the BOD gets back from Rome"?


That's tight...


Interesting, if not unexpected.

They need 2 make a f'n decision already.

 

[wizards8507]

They need 2 make a f'n decision already.

Apparently they don't. If nothing happens until after commencement and "step one" is the same regardless of which way they go, they still have a bit of a cushion.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Only having a window of a week may be an issue. I would want the team on the turf as much as possible leading up to the first game.

 

[dublinirish]

they practice on field turf already though

 

[wizards8507]

Only having a window of a week may be an issue. I would want the team on the turf as much as possible leading up to the first game.

They can't start work before commencement.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

If these soon to be graduates are true ND fans, they would sacrifice commencement for the better of the team.

 

[NCND]

Apparently they don't. If nothing happens until after commencement and "step one" is the same regardless of which way they go, they still have a bit of a cushion.

Lol thx

 

[dublinirish]

If these soon to be graduates are true ND fans, they would sacrifice commencement for the better of the team.

they should be given their degrees in pdf format. pour those resources back into the jack nolan wardrobe fund

 

[NDBoiler]

I wonder what the schedule was that they were basing the comment on having only a week before Rice. It's possible they could add a second shift and basically work on it 24 hrs to finish sooner. Who knows what they have based it on though.

 

[T Town Tommy]

they practice on field turf already though

That will help but the two fields will still have different seams, characheristics, etc. I am sure they will be able to get on it enough prior to the first game.

 

[wizards8507]

That will help but the two fields will still have different seams, characheristics, etc. I am sure they will be able to get on it enough prior to the first game.

*Sigh.*

The thought of a field with "seams" is depressing.