'14 FL WR Isaiah McKenzie ( Georgia ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)
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From McKenzie's point of view, he is committed. From the staff's point of view, they want him to be part of the class. From an academic standpoint, he has a lot of work left to do to qualify.
That's as short and crystal clear as I can make it.
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Forgive me for over simplifying this, but what does it matter what the recruiting services and reporters think?
I mean other than stroking or offending OUR egos, if the kid knows what he wants to do, ND knows what they want to do, and the kid knows what he needs to do, what relevance is it?
On my personal rankings I have Notre Dame's 2014 class ranked #1, because I think no one for any other school will qualify to their respective schools.
Forgive me
Forgive me for over simplifying this, but what does it matter what the recruiting services and reporters think?
I mean other than stroking or offending OUR egos, if the kid knows what he wants to do, ND knows what they want to do, and the kid knows what he needs to do, what relevance is it?
On my personal rankings I have Notre Dame's 2014 class ranked #1, because I think no one for any other school will qualify to their respective schools.
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Do you work for Rivals?!?!?!?
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Is it a lot? Or is it simply get a qualifying score on the SAT?
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Wut just happened?
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No, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
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Since my post got deleted for, no reason, I'll re-post it. The ND staff isn't ready to accept Mckenzie's commitment.
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And this is according to ... ?
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So, is that a 360 degree change from his stance yesterday?
Woops, also wrong thread ......
I thought I had read that Loy was uninformed. Has he now become informed (about something besides UNC football)?
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I think Loy performed a 720 varial while piggie-backing someone else's intel which is widely considered to have "legs."
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It was already covered just read back in the thread.
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Loy and Brown... shockingly the two butt hurt guys after the commitment.
Per ISD, common sense, the other services, and other sources he's committed pending academics like every other commit in the history of ever. For a quick and factual recap, look above at the Mike Frank quote and my response to ACAMP.
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Well, the situation is a little different now, if we can trust Loy on this. McKenzie now has an SAT score, and his score combined with his grades don't qualify him for a scholarship at ND or any school. So now this situation is less like Jerry Tillery (just hasn't taken SAT yet) and more like Alquaddin Muhammad (cannot meet NCAA standards without more work). At least that is what Loy is now saying.
I've been following the thread. Hence my "uninformed" comment.
As "it was ... covered ... back in the thread" that might explain why your post was deleted.
I thought you had some affirmation, apparently not.
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I don't know WTF is going on. What I DO know is that I hope this kids gets it together in time for NSD because he's gonna be electric wherever he lands and I would very much like that to be in South Bend...on the new turf 
Muhammad ' 13 apparently got Eligibilty Center approval as he's played in 5 games for Miami.
Tillery '15 has 16 months or so to left get E.C. approval.
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Right ... as will McKenzie, we hope.
We wouldn't take Muhammad's commitment until he qualified, and he didn't qualify until after NSD. So he signed with Miami. He did end up qualifiying, much to some ND fans' chagrin.
I can't tell if you are arguing with me or not, but, if you are, my point is that, until I saw the new info that Loy came forward with today, I thought that BGI was not listing McKenzie as a commit because he didn't have an SAT score yet, and I thought that was silly; BGI has no problem listing Tillery or other juniors as commits (Martini was immediately listed as well after he committed in the summer after his sophomore year) so what's the issue. Now I realize that McKenzie DOES have an SAT score on file, but his academic issues are such that he does not meet NCAA standards. At least, that is what Loy is saying today. So, now I've changed my opinion on this; we wouldn't accept AQM's verbal under similar circumstances, so I'm not sure we should accept McKenzie's.
Some people are saying that the staff has indeed accepted McKenzie's verbal, but I am now a little skeptical of that. Again, the staff wouldn't accept AQM's; why would they accept McKenzie's?
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So Loy scored a 720 on his SAT? And Rivals would accept his verbal but 247 won't? I'm confused....
Not arguing with you at all just noting the time frame. The recruiting services have listed recuits with incomplete academic credentials since they were founded. I've been following academic "stats" for two decades. When Mike Frank worked for a mortgage broker in Nebraska and "recruiting" was a passion for him and not an occupation, I suggested he and smitty zero in on GPA's, core courses, and test scores to separate the wheat from the chaff. It didn't matter if recruits were "qualified by the NCAA. What was important was were the "qualified" by ND Admissions. Back then if a recruit didn't get Admissions approval there was no offer. Holtz pushed that policy and lost. It has since been changed from a timeline perspective but Admissions still says "Yea or Nay" for every recruit.
BTW, Mike Frank, Allan Wallace, and the guy that started IrishEyes on the Internet took my suggestion and pursued the "real" academic level of recruits. They quickly had to cut back or stop though as they got negative feedback from recruits who did not want to discuss GPA, Test Scores, nor classwork. "Why don't you ask me about my last game?" Generally those with a 3.0 and a 24 ACT weren't shy about discussing academics. Those with a 2.0 and an "D" in Algebra I, changed the subject and/or stopped taking their calls.
In the "New Poster" thread a day or two ago, we discussed a rumor of JUCOs at ND in two years. I explained in detail why I didn't see that possible with the history of ND Admission policies and pursuit of academic excellence. It was a good discussion with a number of posters and perspectives participating.
Muhammad eventually got NCAA approval and met Miami's requirements. He may have eventually met ND's requirements as well but I doubt it. ND's are tougher.
Fans have complained about the number of 5 star recruits ND has "gotten" and "lost" in the past 2-3 years. Kelly is doggedly pursing talented athletes with lesser academic credentials. The objective is to get them to focus on HS academics to raise their credentials AND their ability as a student to compete successfully in ND's academic. I'm guessing that recruit's like McKenzie are telling the coaches of academic progress (as did some of those who flipped or chose another school at the last minute). That would encourage the coaches to continue to invest their time. But there has to be documented progress, test score, improved grades, etc. for Admissions to grant an O.K.
I doubt Loy has a grasp of ND Admissions and ND academics. It's not the NCAA minimums that he's familiar with at UNC.
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But he's a two star...
For real, we have a sleeper in this kid.
I know that's been said often in defending our lower ranked players. But he's going to be special.