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It's hard to believe bbndg still exists. It's basically the Facebook version of NDNation.
 
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Wait I'm so confused, it was confirmed!

Again, don't believe this until someone who isn't a no-name idiot like Dame Fan says otherwise. I don't know where anyone got that it was confirmed. Y'all are too snakebit about transfers.
 
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DameFan is right and hes wrong. You take the good with the bad and the bad with the good. As any "news" comes about someone will be right or wrong.

The person who brought up the Lynch situation, I couldnt agree more.

The quotes from his father...I cant tell you where they are true or not, but I do know that any answer other than the one he gave would have set his son out to dry. GB is still on the team and any person with common sense is going to say what he said. Only time will tell if this is smoke or fire.

At this point, kids grow up and realize college football is a business and work their way onto the field, or they sulk and transfer. The kids that transfer dont have a great track record of panning out across college football.

When dealing with a transfer situation/rumors...timing is everything from a player/family/coach/school/media standpoint. Its pointless to assume or look into things from different viewpoints, you wont find anything. So I dont see any point in speculating things that no one knows anything about at this point in time.
 
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At this point, kids grow up and realize college football is a business and work their way onto the field, or they sulk and transfer. The kids that transfer dont have a great track record of panning out across college football.
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Great post and reps coming your way. I'm torn as are many, because we finally got a blue-chip RB. To hear, right or wrong, that he may be giving up on ND so quick is frustrating. We have to let it play out, but I totally understand the frustration of losing so many top recruits. The staff needs to cater to them somehow and keep them around, but who knows how.
 
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We have to let it play out, but I totally understand the frustration of losing so many top recruits. The staff needs to cater to them somehow and keep them around, but who knows how.
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The trouble is no two situations are alike, except in the end result.
Shepherd was academic. Neal was personal. I don't know what you do about either of them except maybe not take the chance on Tee.
Lynch was personal exacerbated by a tough cultural fit. It's hard to argue that "catering" to him would have brought better results than what our D-Line has looked like since he left.
Kiel was depth chart, which is another way of saying coach's decision. But that one, to me, says more about him than our program. I'm kind of in Les Miles' camp on that guy.
Vanderdoes? Who knows.
Bryant? We really don't know what's up here, do we.

So yeah, it's frustrating. And I agree that these are the sorts of guys who separate the 9 win teams from the 12. But catering to stars, especially young stars, sends a bad message to the rest of the team. And you need all of them to win. Also "catering" to at least some of these guys would mean doing things that the university generally doesn't want to do. I'm not sure that's worth it.

Like Junkhead said, no one really knows how.
 
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TheTurningPOint said:
When dealing with a transfer situation/rumors...timing is everything from a player/family/coach/school/media standpoint. Its pointless to assume or look into things from different viewpoints, you wont find anything. So I dont see any point in speculating things that no one knows anything about at this point in time.
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So then what the hell is DameFan doing lol
 
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TheTurningPOint said:
DameFan is right and hes wrong. You take the good with the bad and the bad with the good. As any "news" comes about someone will be right or wrong.

The person who brought up the Lynch situation, I couldnt agree more.

The quotes from his father...I cant tell you where they are true or not, but I do know that any answer other than the one he gave would have set his son out to dry. GB is still on the team and any person with common sense is going to say what he said. Only time will tell if this is smoke or fire.

At this point, kids grow up and realize college football is a business and work their way onto the field, or they sulk and transfer. The kids that transfer dont have a great track record of panning out across college football.

When dealing with a transfer situation/rumors...timing is everything from a player/family/coach/school/media standpoint. Its pointless to assume or look into things from different viewpoints, you wont find anything. So I dont see any point in speculating things that no one knows anything about at this point in time.
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I have to disagree here. He was out and out wrong. Throwing the teaser out there the way he did was wrong. It lead to this crazy speculation about a young man that may be on the fence and got this fanbase to overreact to a situation based on a stupid cryptic tweet. That is just wrong. This may be about hits to a blog for him, but it's about a college education and subsequent future for GB. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

If the tweet was about GB then it is horrible as the story is still unfolding.

If the tweet was not about GB, then it was even worse. He had to know that everyone would assume it was GB as the rumors were already flying.

The position that this put GB and his family in is unfair to him/them.

This was all about getting attention and it's sick. Sorry TP - but this was disgusting.
 
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I have to disagree here. He was out and out wrong. Throwing the teaser out there the way he did was wrong. It lead to this crazy speculation about a young man that may be on the fence and got this fanbase to overreact to a situation based on a stupid cryptic tweet. That is just wrong. This may be about hits to a blog for him, but it's about a college education and subsequent future for GB. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

If the tweet was about GB then it is horrible as the story is still unfolding.

If the tweet was not about GB, then it was even worse. He had to know that everyone would assume it was GB as the rumors were already flying.

The position that this put GB and his family in is unfair to him/them.

This was all about getting attention and it's sick. Sorry TP - but this was disgusting.
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Hey bud: until Bryant has put in four years here at ND, Damefan isn't wrong.

Just thought I'd point that out real quick...
 
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TheTurningPOint said:
DameFan is right and hes wrong. You take the good with the bad and the bad with the good. As any "news" comes about someone will be right or wrong.

The person who brought up the Lynch situation, I couldnt agree more.

The quotes from his father...I cant tell you where they are true or not, but I do know that any answer other than the one he gave would have set his son out to dry. GB is still on the team and any person with common sense is going to say what he said. Only time will tell if this is smoke or fire.

At this point, kids grow up and realize college football is a business and work their way onto the field, or they sulk and transfer. The kids that transfer dont have a great track record of panning out across college football.

When dealing with a transfer situation/rumors...timing is everything from a player/family/coach/school/media standpoint. Its pointless to assume or look into things from different viewpoints, you wont find anything. So I dont see any point in speculating things that no one knows anything about at this point in time.
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But that is exactly what Damefan did - he put out a speculating about a player transferring that obviously forced Notre Dame website moderators and insiders to dig into GB and his family to get a response from frenzied fans. What good does that do anyone, besides bringing attention to him?

Lax brought it up earlier, and it is 100% true - it is way more likely these things get resolved behind closed doors if they aren't aired out or dealt with in the public. That's one of the reasons I got so upset with II for addressing the EV rumors how and when they did. That situation was well known by A LOT of fans and moderators, yet it was kept off main boards for a long time with the thought being the only chance we really had at keeping him was to hope it resolved quietly, knowing that if it went public if would force things to a head and perhaps a quick, emotional response. An that is exactly what happened.

I'm sorry if I am being harsh or am in the wrong here, but I just don't see any point or benefit to tweeting about transfer rumors before the kid has actually announced his decision to transfer. Who does it help? What purpose does it serve?
 
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I mean this board and just about every site was speculating a GB transfer long before DameFan tweeted. Did it help the situation? No. But i do see some that are
ripping damefan, put speculation themselves in a public forum long before he did, so i guess its just in the eye of the beholder. Flip back to this thread after game 1 and 2....you guys were already talking about transferring.

So everyone from IE to Damefan to rivals needs to chill out lol.
 
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i think the difference is majority of the people on here aren't trying to run a business associated with ND or Damefan......
 
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i think the difference is majority of the people on here aren't trying to run a business associated with ND or Damefan......
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Which is worse? People in it for the money or people in it for the drama?
 
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I mean this board and just about every site was speculating a GB transfer long before DameFan tweeted. Did it help the situation? No. But i do see some that are
ripping damefan, put speculation themselves in a public forum long before he did, so i guess its just in the eye of the beholder. Flip back to this thread after game 1 and 2....you guys were already talking about transferring.

So everyone from IE to Damefan to rivals needs to chill out lol.
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Yeah but no one else on here has their own Notre Dame blog and has an eye towards hits on a website, nor do they have inside sources. That is the difference.

If you want to be seen as a higher standard, you are going to be help accountable at a higher standard. His blog should have to rely on credibility and quality, and normal posters on here don't have that standard. They can speculate all they want, because they are not trying to be seen as an authority on Notre Dame football. He is.

You know I respect you and the way you handle your business, and I think Damefan went about his in a wrong way. There was no benefit to tweeting out something like that if in a position like yours or his besides bringing attention to yourself. All that could be done in that situation is harm, IMO.
 
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Yeah but no one else on here has their own Notre Dame blog and has an eye towards hits on a website, nor do they have inside sources. That is the difference.

If you want to be seen as a higher standard, you are going to be help accountable at a higher standard. His blog should have to rely on credibility and quality, and normal posters on here don't have that standard. They can speculate all they want, because they are not trying to be seen as an authority on Notre Dame football. He is.

You know I respect you and the way you handle your business, and I think Damefan went about his in a wrong way. There was no benefit to tweeting out something like that if in a position like yours or his besides bringing attention to yourself. All that could be done in that situation is harm, IMO.
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Bringing attention to myself? I dont get that at all. I sent damefan saying he was an idiot for whatever he was referring to bc i agree with most of you and it wasnt warranted but go ahead and take shots at me too i guess
 
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Bringing attention to myself? I dont get that at all. I sent damefan saying he was an idiot for whatever he was referring to bc i agree with most of you and it wasnt warranted but go ahead and take shots at me too i guess
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Pretty sure he was directing his comment to Damefan. Used you as an analogy.
 
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Bringing attention to myself? I dont get that at all. I sent damefan saying he was an idiot for whatever he was referring to bc i agree with most of you and it wasnt warranted but go ahead and take shots at me too i guess
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I think Ironman was referring to damefan not you, but just mixed the tense up. At least that's how i'm reading it.
 
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Bringing attention to myself? I dont get that at all. I sent damefan saying he was an idiot for whatever he was referring to bc i agree with most of you and it wasnt warranted but go ahead and take shots at me too i guess
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Huh? I don't know if you misread that, but I wasn't calling you out at all. To the contrary, I said I respected you and the way you handled your business. What I said was that there is no benefit to someone a position like yours, his, etc (basically any noted authority on ND football that fans look to) to do that besides bringing attention to themselves.

You didn't do that, so obviously you didn't do what people are upset with Damefan for doing. Hence, you had the sense not to post the rumor until it was confirmed, and in that way definitively not bringing attention to yourself.

I don't get the disconnect here? How do you think that was me saying you did anything like that? My bad if the confusion was caused on my end, but I was not directing anything ill towards you. Trying to give you a compliment while pointing out my problem with what Damefan did, actually.
 
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Yeah but no one else on here has their own Notre Dame blog and has an eye towards hits on a website, nor do they have inside sources. That is the difference.

If you want to be seen as a higher standard, you are going to be help accountable at a higher standard. His blog should have to rely on credibility and quality, and normal posters on here don't have that standard. They can speculate all they want, because they are not trying to be seen as an authority on Notre Dame football. He is.

You know I respect you and the way you handle your business, and I think Damefan went about his in a wrong way. There was no benefit to tweeting out something like that if in a position like yours or his besides bringing attention to yourself. All that could be done in that situation is harm, IMO.
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Agreed. There should be a difference between what bloggers or media members write and how those things are viewed and what Kuehnja writes. There appears to be little daylight between the 2 in this case.
 
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