2013 Fall Camp Thread

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BK is like most other head coaches. They try to recognize what each kid needs to motivate them and play "sports psychologist". Some kids need a big pat on the back to try to get the kid to believe in himself in order to do their best. thus the Gary Gray quote. Other kids need to be challenged to squeeze every ounce of talent out of them. Remember when BK started at ND he called out Michael Floyd and basically said that he thought he was overhyped. But that only fueled Floyd's fire and went out and worked his butt off and became the best he could be. Floyd said `I just took it as positive criticism. That makes me want to work harder."

Not everything BK says to the media about the players is driven by "sports psychology" but I would say it happens a lot more then you might think.
 

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Brian Kelly on Gary Gray: "He is one of the best corners in the country". I know there are more like this, but I am short on time.

I have no doubt that BK believes Martin is one of the best, but let's not pretend he hasn't said something like this before about players. Sometimes it was justified, other times it wasn't.

As for Tuitt, I really don't see the downside to his "issue". What is the best that can happen? Tuitt plays like last year with some improvements against the run. Downside? Tuitt has a year that looks like a regression from 2012. Even in that scenario, it probably means he still outperforms 95% of DE's in the country but may not get the draft grade he wants and comes back for 2014. The worst case scenario is that he has a year below last year but still good enough and leaves for the NFL. That still implies a really good year. Win/win for ND.

Haha, I forgot about that. I think Kelly in that situation was trying to give a little boost of confidence to Gary. It was a different time. I would say that now guys are plenty confident in their ability and self driven. I mean, it's night and day.
 

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Here is what I have been thinking about the Tuitt clips.

Does he look like some of that initial explosion is lacking, yes.

But, how do we not know that these clips are meant to show us how disruptive he can be when he is still getting beat, and showing us how good Martin is.

Maybe I am wrong here but it wasn't like Tuitt was this unblockable human being last year. I am not saying he isn't worthy of the hype by any means.

He had 12 sacks out of 434 pass attempts against us (he most likely wasn't in for all those attempts but safe to bet a good portion). The kid is going to get blocked as much if not more than he makes his opponent look foolish.

Just think though, him getting beat is driving the lineman 5+ feet backwards into the pocket. Then you add in Nix doing the same thing. That is half the pocket that has been collapsed.

There aren't too many qb's in college football that are going to stand in there and deliver a high completion percentage when half the pocket is collapsed almost every drop back.

Tuitt and the DL are going to be just fine.
 

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Here is what I have been thinking about the Tuitt clips.

Does he look like some of that initial explosion is lacking, yes.

But, how do we not know that these clips are meant to show us how disruptive he can be when he is still getting beat, and showing us how good Martin is.

Maybe I am wrong here but it wasn't like Tuitt was this unblockable human being last year. I am not saying he isn't worthy of the hype by any means.

He had 12 sacks out of 434 pass attempts against us (he most likely wasn't in for all those attempts but safe to bet a good portion). The kid is going to get blocked as much if not more than he makes his opponent look foolish.

Just think though, him getting beat is driving the lineman 5+ feet backwards into the pocket. Then you add in Nix doing the same thing. That is half the pocket that has been collapsed.

There aren't too many qb's in college football that are going to stand in there and deliver a high completion percentage when half the pocket is collapsed almost every drop back.

Tuitt and the DL are going to be just fine.

I was thinking along this same train of thought. He played a high number of those 434 pass attempts and had 12 sacks and that was an incredible year. So we see 3 practice clips where he doesn't blow by Matin and we are concerned. Honestly if we saw him blowing by our LT all day in practice I would be much more worried about Martin. Not to mention these are 1 on 1 drills where Martin knows ok all I have to do is stop tuitt. No Stunts, No Blitz, no scheme.
 

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Practice Report Breakdown: Day Six
Keith Arnold Aug 13, 2013, 11:15 AM EDT
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Chris Watt, Zack Martin
As the second week of camp begins, positional battles are starting to take shape. At cornerback, any thoughts that Lo Wood could make a run at KeiVarae Russell’s starting job were put on ice yesterday by head coach Brian Kelly, who called Russell the clearcut starter. At quarterback, it’s looking very obvious that a 1-2-3 pecking order is being established, with fans of Malik Zaire likely waiting until ’14 for a chance to see him if all goes according to plan.

With interesting battles at safety, offensive line, running back and inside linebacker all continuing to play out, let’s get into the way-too-detailed breakdown of yesterday’s practice report courtesy of UND.com.

0:13 — Great texture to Jack Nolan‘s ND golf shirt, with the face of UND.com getting a sneaky weather report in while teeing up the action. (For those sticklers, I am aware that Jack’s calling this the 8th practice while we’re calling it Day Six. I’m guessing it’s because the team did two two-a-day sessions.)

0:30 — It’s Sheldon Day breaking the team down before they get to work. A day after writing about Brian Kelly’s heaps of praise for the sophomore defensive end, I continue to be fascinated by what Day’s emergence could mean for this defense as a whole.

(Friend of the program, Rotoworld’s Evan Silva, compared Day to current Bengals star Geno Atkins. That’s high praise, and there are a lot of similarities between the two of them, including body type.)

From a personnel perspective, Day could add to the handful opposing coaches face when dealing with the Irish front seven. Everybody knows about Stephon Tuitt and Louis Nix, but sleeping on Prince Shembo is a mistake, and today’s video gives you an idea of the improvement of Ishaq Williams. Throw in a wildcard like Jaylon Smith, who could come off the edge with 4.4 speed, and the Irish might have their most vaunted pass rush in years.

0:44 — Almost on cue, Prince Shembo and Day run a defensive line stunt that gets Shembo to the fictional quarterback in a hurry. With Prince in a three point stance, it looks like Day would slide inside, giving the Irish the opportunity to have Day, Tuitt and Nix all be interior pass rushers while Ishaq Williams could slide down to the other end position.

0:49 — TJ Jones makes a nice catch on a deep ball to the end zone. We don’t have the benefit of seeing who actually threw the pass, but whoever did has nice touch.

0:55 — Sophomore receiver Chris Brown takes a quick pass from Tommy Rees and cuts up field. (That ball will likely come out faster during the actual games.)

0:57 — Fancy editing won’t slow me down: Walk-on Nick Fitzpatrick (38), Luke Massa (14), Corey Robinson (88), freshman Will Fuller (15), Massa again, and CJ Prosise (20) make catches.

1:01 — All-American Zack Martin (70) wins another one-on-one rep with Stephon Tuitt (7) in a pass rushing drill. (A quick soap box speech. Just because you’ve seen three reps of Tuitt vs. Martin this spring, all of which seemed like Martin victories, doesn’t mean anything is wrong with Tuitt. It could just mean that Martin is very, very, very good. Again, these are the problems with practice videos. One guy looking good means another guy looks bad.)

1:05 — Prince Shembo hunts for a quarterback. Cam McDaniel (33) bursts through a nice hole. Freshman wideout James Onwualu (17) has an inside step on Jalen Brown and beats him for the catch. Andrew Hendrix (12) pulls the ball down and runs. (Interestingly, he’s taking live hits.)

1:12 — Justin Utupo (53) gets stood up by a blocker. (Tough to tell who.)

1:16 — Here’s another good look at freshman wideout Will Fuller (15). You can tell he needs to put a little meat on his bones, but the staff thinks they’ve got a guy who can run the top off a zone that also catches everything.

1:21 — That’s an explosive rep by Ishaq Williams (11), beating what looks like Ronnie Stanley (78) off the edge, with a little help from Jarron Jones (94).

1:26 — That’s a really impressive move by Kona Schwenke (96), blowing by Christian Lombard (74) and getting to the quarterback.

(While listening to Irish Sports Daily’s Power Hour podcast last week, analyst Sean Mele pointed out that Lombard’s troubles come when he stops moving his feet. That looked to be the case again here, though credit Schwenke for a nice move as well.)

1:32 — Chris Brown (2) beats Max Redfield (10) off the jam in man coverage and connects on a deep throw. Redfield bit hard on the inside move, helping Brown get separation. It’s doutbful a young safety ever gets put on an island in man coverage, but the silver lining seems to be Redfield’s speed, as he caught up with Brown, who might be the fastest guy on the roster.:)

1:38 — There’s some nice zip on that deep out by Tommy Rees to TJ Jones.

1:42 — A lot of contact between Onwualu and KeiVarae Russell (6) on a pass that sails incomplete. From a defensive perspective, that’s a nice rep by Russell. From an offensive perspective, Onwualu might deserve a flag for contact down field. But it’s good to see Russell get physical with a bigger receiver, giving credence to the reports that Russell is bigger, stronger and more comfortable in man coverage.

1:50 — Center Nick Martin (72) does a nice job handling Louis Nix (1) in the trenches. We’ll get into it more later today, but it seems like Kelly already feels really comfortable with Martin at center.

1:53 — Matthias Farley (41) takes CJ Prosise (20) to the ground. Ishaq Williams (11) gets to the edge against Troy Niklas (85) in a pass rush drill. James Onwualu (17) and KeiVarae Russell (6) do battle in the open field. Isaac Rochelle (90) battles Ronnie Stanley (78). Lo Wood (23) stays tight on Davaris Daniels (10), before Daniels gets inside and makes the catch.

2:02 — That’s freshman Greg Bryant (1) cutting to daylight before being tackled, while fellow freshman Tarean Folston (25) makes a catch out of the backfield.

2:06 — Another Zack Martin (70) and Stephon Tuitt (7) battle. Martin holds up once again, though he gave up some room to Tuitt.

2:10 — That’s the type of explosive pass rush Irish fans want to see out of Ishaq Williams (11) as he blows by Ben Koyack (18) to the inside.
 
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i'shaq showed up in that last clip.

tuitt=no worries

right side of line=no worries

no love for prince? awesome way to start the video out. wow.

love c-breezy.

another strong run up the middle by cam.

strong practice. best video so far.

Why do you say that? That's notably our weakest side and it seems like we're still unsure as to who will be the starters on that side.
 

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what kind of koolaid was pete sampson drinking when he said Lo Wood would (would Fleetwood would wood?) start?
 

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Concerning the previous day's presscon: The contents of the post-practice press conference by Kelly were some of the most substantial and generally optimism-producing that I've heard out of him. Note these:

1). NMart is so good at center that when Kelly looks at him he doesn't remember that he's a first time starter;

2). The rightside of the OLine is GENUINELY being looked at. Lombard, however, is a fixture in the final five. The last slot will be "Hanratty", "Elmer", or "Ronnie". Which one of these names is psychologically not like the others?;

3). There is no competition in the sense of earning the starting job as far as Keivaree is concerned. He's flat out the starter, and he's real solid;

4). Russell plus Jackson may allow the defense do certain things that it didn't do much of last season --- Kelly was very careful NOT to follow the questioner's temptor to say the words "blitz packages" and visibly slowed his comments down to be VERY careful as to how he vagued out this response;

5). Sheldon Day is as good as Tuitt and Nix --- meditate;

6). TJJones is a go-to offensive weapon. I've agreed to this for a very long time;

7). Rees definitely number one, and the reason that Coach is seeing more effective redzone offense this far. Hendrix is clearly number two, and Coach will "feel the game" to decide [without hesitation] to insert him. Coach will not artificially insert him just to get a "package" in, regardless of how the game is going. Zaire is definitely number three;

8). Niklas' playing productivity does not yet match his physique. However he is learning to use his body to "box out" [a la Eifert, though Tyler's name was not said] and seal defenders from the ball. "He is getting there". However, Both Koyack and Welch are performing well too;

9). Farley is a clear starter at safety, and the other slot will come from Shumate and Collingsworth [now that Nicky has a season-ending injury]. Shumate hits hard and effectively, but doesn't have all the communications understanding that a safety needs down yet. Collingsworth can play both positions --- by saying this [it's an "understanding" statement], maybe Collingsworth CAN handle the generalship already. Coach seems to want Shumate to play since he has the terminator tackling skill. Hardy and Turner have both "made the staff notice them". Redfield has the athleticism but not the understanding, and there's a load of competition;

10). Kelly is worried about middle linebacker depth. This is a thinly veiled statement saying that currently all that they are confident in are Foxabreese and Grace. The staff is searching for at least a fourth. This implies that Moore isn't it. Can a rookie take this opportunity? Will a DOG migrate?

My response, emotionally, to all of that was: I think that the style and content of Kelly's answers was genuine [and informative]. His comment about Day enforces my opinion that we [barring a middlelinebacker injury to Grace or Fox] are the best front seven in the country, and will have outstanding cornerbacks as well. If Shumate can learn the defensive reads, and if Farley has learned not to suckerbite on certain patterns, everybody on our regular schedule is going to have a very bad day.

I'm getting close to confident about the OLine. But this does not yet look like one of those old "legend" ND lines which a coach like Holtz could say at the beginning of the second half: "OK gang, let's just grind one 70 yards down the field." At the end of those sorts of drives, the opponent knew how the game would end.

I still think that this presscon subtly indicated that although TJ is our main man, the rest of the receiving is going to tend to be big and brutal. Two TEs a lot. I believe that in most games we'll be TJ + Daniels + two TEs + physical RB a large majority of the plays. This is, of course, the thumper-type of offense which, with good ball security, conservatively controls games.

Tommy, me boy.... you're going to have some things to work with. We need you, gym rat, to become a piece of ND legend.
 
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That's great...he's one of my favorites. I was alarmed because I know losing someone close to you at a young age gives a person perspective and sometimes radical change ensues. I'm glad about the news.
 
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Of all the coaches from Weis' staff I am glad he stayed. I have always like him too.
 

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It's never easy to lose a loved one, but hopefully Coach Alford gets through this and the season will help take his mind off things.
 

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8). Niklas' playing productivity does not yet match his physique. However he is learning to use his body to "box out" [a la Eifert, though Tyler's name was not said] and seal defenders from the ball. "He is getting there". However, Both Koyack and Welch are performing well too.

I don't see the Tyler comparison at all... Tyler was solid at boxing out, but the guy I'm sure Kelly is showing Troy a lot of tape of is Rudolph.

Kyle was a natural basketball player on the field, that helped him use his incredible size, if Troy plays the way Kyle did, I see no reason why he couldn't be as good or better.
 

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Tyler Stockton Blew the center up a couple of times, that second one was just ridiculous how quickly he shed the block.
 

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Yeah, wasn't impressed by TR's (or is it Reesus's?) arm strength in that clip. But who knows it was a sample size of like 3 throws.
 
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Not saying he won't be a player on offense but I think onawala would be one hell of a safety.
 
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