'14 CO ATH Nathan Starks (UCLA Verbal)

[Rack Em]

ty...exactly what i was thing of why even talk to the guy if there isn't some chance...it may not be public knowledge but it could be complete x,y,z and then see what we can do on our end

Honestly, with the way recruits talk about Alford I could see him stay in touch just to mentor Starks. He's that type of guy.

 

[STLDomer]

I assumed Alford was just staying in contact because that's the guy he is also. Unlike whoever was his recruiter at USC, they just stopped talking to him the minute the news came out.

EDIT: it sounds like he talks to USC but not very much compared to OU & ND. Not "regular contact"

 

[Irish Man3]

He will be Irish, oh yes he will be Irish!

Reminds me of a weak Barry Sanders...

 

[GoIrish41]

If we are taking 23 or 24 guys like has been reported, Starks should be one of them IMO. Just another in a rapidly improving stable of backs wearing a gold helmet.

 

[Son of Kenmare]

Given the fact that Starks has a close friend within the Notre Dame family, it just makes sense that the staff would keep in touch and hopefully serve as a positive influence with this kid even as other programs/people burn their bridges.

 

[NDWorld247]

Honestly, with the way recruits talk about Alford I could see him stay in touch just to mentor Starks. He's that type of guy.

I assumed Alford was just staying in contact because that's the guy he is also.

IIRC, Starks said as much in a May interview about Alford. I don't doubt Alford's heart, character or motives, but he's also no dummy.

My guess is Starks will commit to Oklahoma at some point before his season ends, but his recruitment will not be over until ND says it's over.

 

[rikkitikki08]

Whats the word on this kid? I haven't heard much about his recruitment as of late

 

[PANDFAN]

Whats the word on this kid? I haven't heard much about his recruitment as of late

neither have we

 

[rikkitikki08]

Did he ever find a high school to play ball at? His recruitment has been extremely quiet as of late which usually isn't a good sign

 

[PANDFAN]

Did he ever find a high school to play ball at? His recruitment has been extremely quiet as of late which usually isn't a good sign

yes read 1 page back

 

[connect the dots]

Man without a country

Man without a country

Did he ever find a high school to play ball at? His recruitment has been extremely quiet as of late which usually isn't a good sign

Starks intended to transfer from Gorman to a school in Denver, Colorado, Cherry Hills. But there is still the question of eligibility in Colorado, because of the Gorman dismissal. Oklahoma is maintaining contact with Nathan.

 

[Rack Em]

Visions of Tee Shepard danced in their heads...

 

[dwshade]

As I understand it Alford continues to mentor the kid because that's who Alford is. But ND admissions would never admit him.

 

[calvegas04]

As I understand it Alford continues to mentor the kid because that's who Alford is. But ND admissions would never admit him.

how are you so sure?

 

[Big23Head]

Starks intended to transfer from Gorman to a school in Denver, Colorado, Cherry Hills. But there is still the question of eligibility in Colorado, because of the Gorman dismissal. Oklahoma is maintaining contact with Nathan.

He's still waiting to hear, he had to resubmit the information

 

[STLDomer]

Right now he's allowed to practice and work out with the team, just not play on Fridays

 

[irishroo]

how are you so sure?

He got expelled from HS for some sort of drug violation. Notre Dame expels kids for the same thing. No way they allow him in when they boot current students for the same offense.

 

[rikkitikki08]

He got expelled from HS for some sort of drug violation. Notre Dame expels kids for the same thing. No way they allow him in when they boot current students for the same offense.

The name Michael Floyd ring any bells? ND does hold its self to higher standard but lets be realistic as well, if the kid has his act together and never has any other problems then I could see ND still making a push. Kids make mistakes and the coaching staff knows that

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

The name Michael Floyd ring any bells? ND does hold its self to higher standard but lets be realistic as well, if the kid has his act together and never has any other problems then I could see ND still making a push. Kids make mistakes and the coaching staff knows that

Floyd was already a part of the ND family. There is a major difference between giving a second chance to a guy who you have invested something in and who has built a reputation and inviting a kid with a major red flag into the group. I'm not saying Starks is necessarily a bad kid but there is no reason to take the chance when you can painlessly walk away.

Also, there is a difference between a DUI and selling drugs.

But, the best reason not a take a chance here is highlighted by TP

He is just toxic right now. In the article he did not say he was being recruited by ND. There are plenty of reasons to not take Starks or another rb. Its a numbers game and ND is winning that right now at RB. No reason to pull away from strategy

We don't have a need for this kid so where is the incentive to take the chance? If he played ILB it might be a different story. Kind of joking about that

 

[dwshade]

Selling ecstasy is not the way to get admitted into ND.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Selling ecstasy is not the way to get admitted into ND.

1) We don't know that this is what happened.

2) "Selling ecstasy" does not mean he was on some street corner a la The Wire dealing, he could very well have been giving it to friends (in the high Law Vegas HS circle). That happens in nearly every high school in America, especially the rich ones.

 

[NDhoosier]

2) "Selling ecstasy" does not mean he was on some street corner a la The Wire dealing, he could very well have been giving it to friends (in the high Law Vegas HS circle). That happens in nearly every high school in America, especially the rich ones.

How is that better? Selling drugs is selling drugs. Same charge. Selling drugs is always a risky business, lots of violence when drugs are involved; where do you think he gets those drugs to sell? If he is doing this stuff in high school under plenty of supervision, what will he do when he is out on his own.

IF this is true about him selling drugs, that is a very serious red flag and I want no part of it.

 

[SoIll]

Selling ecstasy is not the way to get admitted into ND.

I sure he sweating it out, waiting to find out if he will be eligible to play

 

[Buster Bluth]

How is that better? Selling drugs is selling drugs. Same charge. Selling drugs is always a risky business, lots of violence when drugs are involved; where do you think he gets those drugs to sell? If he is doing this stuff in high school under plenty of supervision, what will he do when he is out on his own.

IF this is true about him selling drugs, that is a very serious red flag and I want no part of it.

Except that's not correct.

There is a huge difference between this:

and this:

and this:

If you can't recognize the difference, you need to ignore what your policy academy taught you.

 

[dwshade]

Except that's not correct.

There is a huge difference between this:

and this:

and this:

If you can't recognize the difference, you need to ignore what your policy academy taught you.

Not in ND's eyes it doesn't.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Not in ND's eyes it doesn't.

I'm sure it does matter, if it even gets that far. They aren't stupid.

I know 0% about his situation, so I won't pretend like I do. But there's a HUGE difference between a guy slinging dope on a street corner and wealthy high school kids being immature/experimenting with drugs. One launders money, kills people systematically, and generally sends you to prison for a stint to two or ten; the other is not even uncommon and certainly isn't the variable that makes someone a loser. I'd bet any amount of money Alford (and anyone with a brain) sees it that way too. Will ND admissions see it that way? I'm sure they're cognizant of it too, but that doesn't mean it will prevent the rejection. I think that's a fair way of stating it.

 

[koonja]

I'm sure it does matter, if it even gets that far. They aren't stupid.

I know 0% about his situation, so I won't pretend like I do. But there's a HUGE difference between a guy slinging dope on a street corner and wealthy high school kids being immature/experimenting with drugs. One launders money, kills people systematically, and generally sends you to prison for a stint to two or ten; the other is not even uncommon and certainly isn't the variable that makes someone a loser. I'd bet any amount of money Alford (and anyone with a brain) sees it that way too. Will ND admissions see it that way? I'm sure they're cognizant of it too, but that doesn't mean it will prevent the rejection. I think that's a fair way of stating it.

I've agreed 100% with Buster's perspective on this matter ever since the 'incident' came to light.

 

[Irish#1]

I'm sure it does matter, if it even gets that far. They aren't stupid.

I know 0% about his situation, so I won't pretend like I do. But there's a HUGE difference between a guy slinging dope on a street corner and wealthy high school kids being immature/experimenting with drugs. One launders money, kills people systematically, and generally sends you to prison for a stint to two or ten; the other is not even uncommon and certainly isn't the variable that makes someone a loser. I'd bet any amount of money Alford (and anyone with a brain) sees it that way too. Will ND admissions see it that way? I'm sure they're cognizant of it too, but that doesn't mean it will prevent the rejection. I think that's a fair way of stating it.

And both are criminal offenses.

 

[Buster Bluth]

And both are criminal offenses.

So is underage drinking, I'll bet you did that. In my state it's an M1 too, i.e. just shy of a felony. Every kid whose ever had an underage should be labeled scum of the earth and a menace to society.

 

[Rhode Irish]

And both are criminal offenses.

Yes, and as we all know, all criminal offenses involve the same degree of moral turpitude.