CONFIRMED: Golson No Longer Enrolled At ND

[ryno 24]

I agree this is all his doing, and we should be frustrated with him. But Tommy isnt a saint either. He could have been our starting quarterback last year (and probably would have been because Kelly loves people who know what they are doing) if he hadnt gotten arrested for kicking a cop. Golson then had the chance to beat him out and he did it. If he does come back he deserves our support.

 

[ulukinatme]

I agree this is all his doing, and we should be frustrated with him. But Tommy isnt a saint either. He could have been our starting quarterback last year (and probably would have been because Kelly loves people who know what they are doing) if he hadnt gotten arrested for kicking a cop. Golson then had the chance to beat him out and he did it. If he does come back he deserves our support.

Hey, lets not go crazy here. I like Rees, always have, and support him as our QB...but I think the arrest was a convenient way to pass the reigns. I think Golson would have needed a very poor understanding of the offense to not unseat him.

 

[ryno 24]

We never know I think he wanted to pass the reigns but Rees never truly got the chance to compete. Golson didnt truly break out until the spring game 2011 and then Rees not competing truly gave him the best chance

 

[phork]

I just want an off season where we sign the #1 class and nothing negative happens..

 

[dublinirish]

I just want an off season where we sign the #1 class and nothing negative happens..

aha wishful thinking

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Rees will be just fine at QB. Ill be the first to say that Golson back there would be better, but Rees will do just fine. There are plenty of QBs in college football that arent mobile and lack physical skills. The main concern with Rees is lack of arm strength to push things vertically. 30 yards and under, he is every bit as good as Golson. He has to prove that he can hit the zones when teams drop 8, and show that he can hit a deep ball once in a while. Turnovers are going to happen reguardless of the team and qb. He has to just needs to learn to not turn it over at the worst time possible. BK announcing it early, I hope was to build his confidence back up. Tommy Rees that led that drive @ Michigan is a kid that has no fear and can win a lot of games. Tommy Rees that played vs Stanford/FSU was a kid that lost confidence and was second guessing himself. Bama, Lsu, Georgia, usc, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Mich St, dont have a mobile qb typically and end up doing just fine every year. It all comes down the Oline and the run game. I think the Oline will be more than fine, and its a matter of finding which RB is ready.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Rees will be just fine at QB. Ill be the first to say that Golson back there would be better, but Rees will do just fine...

The lack of mobility shouldn't be a concern. It's the other things you pointed out that making TR a below avg QB, imo. The turnovers at the worst possible time and the fact that he can't stretch the field. He's gonna need to get the ball over the top to C Brown to keep teams honest. And for Pete's sake, I hope he's learned to not throw across his body when he rolls out. He just doesn't have the arm strength. Other than that, he's a hell of a leader. The guys love him and will play hard for him. And he knows the offense and how to read defenses. I agree, we'll be just fine...if he steers clear of his weaknesses.

 

[T Town Tommy]

The coaches will game plan around some of his weaknesses and hopefully Rees will learn how to manage the game instead of trying to win the game. Turnovers are the killer... he can't turn it over by trying to do what he isn't comfortable doing. Good offensive game planning, timely execution, and help from the O line and RBs would certainly help in that area. Rees will do just fine if he can stay within those paramenters and not think he has to win every game himself.

 

[NDdomer2]

Bama, Lsu, Georgia, usc, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Mich St

all these schools qbs have been drafted or will be drafted. Rees, not so much I'm afraid.

 

[Grahambo]

The lack of mobility shouldn't be a concern. It's the other things you pointed out that making TR a below avg QB, imo. The turnovers at the worst possible time and the fact that he can't stretch the field. He's gonna need to get the ball over the top to C Brown to keep teams honest. And for Pete's sake, I hope he's learned to not throw across his body when he rolls out. He just doesn't have the arm strength. Other than that, he's a hell of a leader. The guys love him and will play hard for him. And he knows the offense and how to read defenses. I agree, we'll be just fine...if he steers clear of his weaknesses.

Without Floyd and Eifert, I see a better, well-balanced attack to include the running game which can feature 3 different style of running. The OL with the return of Martin and Watt is huge and they can lead ND to a 10 win season. The defense is also better then the first two years Rees played and that should help.

With the experience that he has, the knowledge he is the #1 guy, the players around him..he is in a lot better situation now then he was 2-3 years ago.

 

[ulukinatme]

Bama, Lsu, Georgia, usc, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Mich St - all these schools qbs have been drafted or will be drafted. Rees, not so much I'm afraid.

I'm just playing devil's advocate here, but how many of these QBs are worth that much at the next level though? Most of them are backups or never panned out. Bama's Greg McElroy is buried at #4 on the Jets Depth Chart, and Sanchez will probably get benched for Geno Smith eventually cause Sanchez sucks. Matt Flynn could win the Raiders job...because Raiders like them some LSU QBs, but I think Pryor will beat him out. Bradford could be okay if he had the tools around him, but to this point he's been average at best. Landry Jones isn't starting anytime soon, and I don't think he's good enough at this point to start for a team. Don't get me started on Brandon Weeden. Carson Palmer was the only decent QB out of USC to make it out of like...5 of them in the NFL (Yeah, Barkley hasn't taken a snap yet, good luck in Philly), and Cinci fans may say otherwise post knee injury. The only other QB that is starting besides Palmer is Stafford from Georgia, and he's had really one pretty good year, and 2 injury filled ones.

That covers most of the QBs playing at the NFL level from these teams. Yeah, Tommy isn't getting drafted anywhere anytime soon, thats a given. I wouldn't go so far to say that the guys he's being compared to are head and shoulders above him talent wise though. A lot of these guys were surrounded by phenomenal talent in powerhouse colleges and haven't made it at the next level when the playing field is even.

 

[NDdomer2]

I'm just playing devil's advocate here, but how many of these QBs are worth that much at the next level though?

Agree that most of them weren't worth anything in the NFL, but all of them are/were there. Doubt Tommy Rees will ever say that unless its coaching.

A lot of these guys were surrounded by phenomenal talent in powerhouse colleges and haven't made it at the next level when the playing field is even.

Tommy hasn't played with some phenomenal talent? How many wr's and te's on Bama, Lsu, Georgia, usc, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Mich St were better than Eifert and Floyd? (I am honestly asking because I don't know). I am sure there are a few better or as good, but Tommy has had some exceptional talent to go to.

Don't take this as my hating Tommy because that isn't the case but to say those schools qb's were similar to Tommy isn't true.

 

[ulukinatme]

Tommy hasn't played with some phenomenal talent? How many wr's and te's on Bama, Lsu, Georgia, usc, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Mich St were better than Eifert and Floyd? (I am honestly asking because I don't know). I am sure there are a few better or as good, but Tommy has had some exceptional talent to go to.

Don't take this as my hating Tommy because that isn't the case but to say those schools qb's were similar to Tommy isn't true.

Floyd and Eifert were great players, but I would also say that it's taken a few years for our offensive line to improve under Kelly, and I'd say our line may still be a year or two away from being par with the powerhouses in college football. We just didn't have the depth and the coaching staff was just getting started. While Eifert and Floyd may be on par or better than single players on these teams, on a whole I think these teams have had deeper skill positions than we have I'd estimate. When we've matched up against these tougher teams, our offense has struggled quite a bit despite having guys like Floyd and Eifert. Until last year, and excluding the 'Bama game, I would say our defense also struggled containing these opposing powerhouses.

Tommy still loses head to head against probably all of the pocket passers I listed above, but they haven't exactly been great themselves imo. A lot of these Big 12 and Pac 12 QBs fold when they finally have to face a skilled defense each week. For some reason a lot of the decent starting Pocket Passers in the league today are either Midwest guys or improbables out of places like Delaware

 

[IrishFaninTX]

Here is another thought to consider. If Tommy reverts back to the 2011 version of himself and turns the ball over, I have no doubt that Kelly will yank him as quick if not quicker than he did Crist. He already stated that he won't play a QB who is going to turn the ball over a lot. That's not to say Tommy has to go INT free the entere 12 -13 games but if he throws a pick in the 1st half against Temple, he may not be the starting QB for very long. And I believe Kelly has more talented options behind Tommy this year than he did behind Dayne in 2011 so he won't have a problem throwing Hendrix out there if Tommy struggles or even removing the red shirt from Malik if he feels that Tommy isn't getting it done and won't be able to get it done. I think he would rather give Malik experience and give the offense more options than keep an experienced QB who isn't performing well and is in his final year of eligibility. So either Tommy will take care of business and prove a lot of fans wrong or Kelly will take quick action to replace him. Tommy isn't an inexperienced sophomore anymore. He is a senior, just like Crist (with more experience than Crist had), so Kelly will treat him the same, I believe.

 

[ryno 24]

Call me crazy but I could see Tommy in the NFL as a backup qb. He may not have the physical tools but he can be a great teacher for a young inexperienced qb. If he has a good year this year, he will showcase to nfl teams why he could be a good backup.

 

[NDWorld247]

Call me crazy but I could see Tommy in the NFL as a backup qb. He may not have the physical tools but he can be a great teacher for a young inexperienced qb. If he has a good year this year, he will showcase to nfl teams why he could be a good backup.

You're crazy.

 

[ryno 24]

Chad Pennington was in the NFL for a long time, there are other qbs in the league the same way. If he doesnt make it in the nfl I could see him with a GA role at either ND or another school.

 

[cody1smith]

Call me crazy but I could see Tommy in the NFL as a backup qb. He may not have the physical tools but he can be a great teacher for a young inexperienced qb. If he has a good year this year, he will showcase to nfl teams why he could be a good backup.

Crazy. Sorry, but bat shi* ******* crazy.

 

[Booslum31]

Crazy. Sorry, but bat shi* ******* crazy.

But it would be pretty cool IF he was right. However, the value he describes is what the QB coach is for.

 

[ryno 24]

Trust me I said the same thing last year, but I also said and continue to say he is the best back up qb in the country. Ill say the same thing this year the only difference is that he has to be the starter.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Nevermind...already being discussed in the trasnfer thread...

 

[ShawneeIrish]

Chad Pennington was in the NFL for a long time, there are other qbs in the league the same way. If he doesnt make it in the nfl I could see him with a GA role at either ND or another school.

How does Tommy Rees compare to Chad Pennington other than they both had an opportunity to play with an elite WR? Chad's arm was not the strongest but he was way more productive than Tommy.

Pennington threw for 11,446 yards, 107 TDs, and 30 INTs in his career. He threw for at least 3,799 yds all of his seasons, never threw below 28 TDs (with a high of 42), and never had more than 12 picks in a season (and that was the season of 42 TDs.)
Chad Pennington Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

Tommy has thrown so far for 4,413 yards, 34 TDs, and 24 picks. Tommy has not thrown for more than 2,871 yards in a seaon, with a high of 20 TDs and had 14 picks that year.
Tommy Rees Stats, News, Videos, Pictures, Bio - Notre Dame Fighting Irish - ESPN

Obviously Chad played more than Tommy has so far and they played in different systems, but the level of production is not even remotely close.

 

[NDWorld247]

Chad Pennington was in the NFL for a long time, there are other qbs in the league the same way. If he doesnt make it in the nfl I could see him with a GA role at either ND or another school.

I was just joking with you. I could MAYBE see him picked up as an UDFA, but I don't think there's any chance he makes a team. Fortunately for us, college football history is littered with great college QBs that never panned out in the NFL. I'm happy he's our QB this year.

I agree he will make a phenomenal coach and would love to see him stick around ND as a GA if that's what he chooses to do. If I'm not mistaken, isn't his dad a coach or scout?

 

[phgreek]

I was just joking with you. I could MAYBE see him picked up as an UDFA, but I don't think there's any chance he makes a team. Fortunately for us, college football history is littered with great college QBs that never panned out in the NFL. I'm happy he's our QB this year.

I agree he will make a phenomenal coach and would love to see him stick around ND as a GA if that's what he chooses to do. If I'm not mistaken, isn't his dad a coach or scout?

agree...I look at it like this...why burn a roster spot and 400+K on a coach in pads when in reality you could hire tommy as a coach in training for 100K and the kid would be ecstatic...and you'd get your value in a hurry...

 

[NDhoosier]

Well, it would be awesome if Rees played his way into a later round draft pick. I wouldnt complain about that at all. Highly unlikely to happen, but still, fun to think about.

 

[IrishFaninTX]

Well, it would be awesome if Rees played his way into a later round draft pick. I wouldnt complain about that at all. Highly unlikely to happen, but still, fun to think about.

It probably won't happen but I think Irish fans everywhere would be ecstatic if that happened because that would mean Tommy had one h#ll of a season. The only way he gets drafted is if he throws for a ton of yards, a lot of TD's, and very few turnovers. The scouts really only have this year to go by so it would have to be a d@mn good year. His 2011 season didn't do him any favors and he didn't play enough last season to make a difference.

 

[ShawneeIrish]

Does not sound like Zaire or Hendrix are going to be very big part of the offense as of now. I may be reading things wrong, but I don't see much positive about Hendrix being mentioned in this article.

Martin talks quarterbacks, offense | Inside the Irish

 

[Booslum31]

Does not sound like Zaire or Hendrix are going to be very big part of the offense as of now. I may be reading things wrong, but I don't see much positive about Hendrix being mentioned in this article.

Martin talks quarterbacks, offense | Inside the Irish

I think that if we see a lot of Zaire or Hendrix it's going to be a LONG season.

 

[STLDomer]

I expect Zaire to be redshirted and Hendrix not to have any packages. Rees all the way

 

[NDdomer2]

I expect Zaire to be redshirted and Hendrix not to have any packages. Rees all the way

id like to think Hendrix sees some mop up duty once or twice