'13 CA DT Eddie Vanderdoes (UCLA)

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Whiskeyjack

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This article makes Kelly/ND look like the bad guys:

To reiterate greyhammer's point, Gregggg Doyel's a hack. Whenever he needs page views, he smears ND. The hate mail rolls in, and then he posts a ND Hate Mail column a few days later.

As with all shock jocks, the only appropriate response is apathy. Anything else, and he wins.
 

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Personal reasons. Close to home. I thought there was a University of California at Berkeley that has a football team, is an outstanding university and is a member of the Pac-12. I must be sadly mistaken because UCLA is "close to home " and much closer than Cal?

I fed all data from his camp - his lawyer (Bruin Steve), his personal trainer, UCLA's assistant coach and his recruiter who has longstanding connection to his personal trainer, his Sacramento Bee mouthpiece reporter, his father and Coach Jim Mora into my bullshit meter. Unfortunately, my bullshit meter whined, groaned, overheated and exploded wth message "So much bullshit can not give any reading. This meter is only able to provide bullshit readings within unreasonable bullshit amounts when bullshit is unreasonably unreasonable and excessively excessive this meter will explode. You have destroyed your bullshit meter by entering into it so much bullshit that you have voided your warranty and you will not be able to repair it."

In frustration, I contacted manufacturer of my very expensive, top of the line bullshit meter. Response: "You must buy a new bullshit meter but do not enter data containing an unreasonably unreasonable or an excessively excessive amount of bullshit into your meter or it will explode. Stick to unreasonable or excessive amounts of bullshit so that you do not void your warranty and you will get appropriate reading on the amount of bullshit contained in the data."

You should have downloaded the latest release Bullshit 2.1.

Just a couple of thoughts:

Everyone including Andy Staples in his article forgot one thing; when you sign a LOI to ND you get a four year scholarship. Not a one year renewable like you do to almost everywhere else. A four year scholarship to one of the finest institutions in America.

(I agree with everyone that figures someone who would blow this off shouldn't be here.)

The best way to fix the NLOI program is to make it a four year commitment by the schools. That would cut schools abilities to gray shirt. Force universities to spend more time educating their athletes (who wants to lose their stars) because replacement on a four year scholarship basis would be too unpredictable and costly. (Same problem ND has now when players leave. It takes a while to replace a player, thus forcing a 'bad' school to dip way below their 85 man limit.)

In two months the real story will come out about EV just like it did about AA. These two are closer to the same cut of cloth than one may expect. That's my guess.

Boggys, you're right. I've thought this for years. A lot of the crap that never gets in the papers or on the news would stop. Schools would be more careful on how they recruit if they had to honor the scholly for four years.
 

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Stupid Vanderdoes. Stupid Mora. Hope they both get kicked in the nuts sometime in the near future.
 

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Stupid Vanderdoes. Stupid Mora. Hope they both get kicked in the nuts sometime in the near future.

Stupid sexy Flanders.

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I think the NCAA needs to investigate this, what if the roles were reversed where Eddie signed his LOI with UCLA and he had a "change of heart" to switch to ND, ND would be investigated. Either way here what ND would've done is wrong like we always are. I am sick of losing these kids. I wish Kelly would be like Weis, where if a verbal commit (I know Eddie was never a verbal to us) looks elsewhere so should ND.
 

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I think the NCAA needs to investigate this, what if the roles were reversed where Eddie signed his LOI with UCLA and he had a "change of heart" to switch to ND, ND would be investigated. Either way here what ND would've done is wrong like we always are. I am sick of losing these kids. I wish Kelly would be like Weis, where if a verbal commit (I know Eddie was never a verbal to us) looks elsewhere so should ND.

I appreciate your frustration but let me chime in here. First, I'm not buying the ND is a target line. The situation would be the same for any school who wasn't already under investigation. Second, Kelly does have the policy of if you're looking we're looking. Third, this doesn't apply to Eddie because he was never a verbal. He signed with us which is a different situation. We couldn't be "looking." Finally, even if Eddie was a verbal and was looking around, it's really tough to imagine the staff giving away the spot of 5:s: DT.
 
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Seems like yet another media generated F you charlie.

My brother calls me this am. Now he is a Bama fan but he is pretty level headed and open minded. So he tells me he is watching a media piece on this ordeal that the presenters are bashing Kelly and ND for their callousness in taking away a year of this guys eligibility because the guy wants to be closer to his family who has medical issues. What a bunch of crap! There were no medical issues announced! And they failed to mention UCLAs awarding to his sister a D1 scholarship (was she even recruited anywhere else?) and clearly was tampering with EV after his LOI which is illegal.

This whole thing is such BS. This horse and pony show that the media creates to drive ratings is just **** poor.
 

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I think two things are clear from reading that:

1. Gregg Doyel does not understand how college football works

2. Gregg Doyel is not a smart person if part of the criteria is using logic to construct an argument
 

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DI football players are not sweatshop workers, true, but I think this post goes too far in the wrong direction.

First, as to the bolded ... yeah, it's kind of like that. It's exactly like that, if you take out the word "personal." Why does it matter that the old white men are spending the money on athletic scholarships for other kids? The reality remains that major-conference DI football players generate millions and millions in TV revenue alone, and they are allowed to come to school for free. I don't think that's a fair transaction. Never have.

My company has revenues of $1B a month, and I make $23.00 an hour. HOW UNFAIR!!!

DI football players are not sweatshop workers, true, but I think this post goes too far in the wrong direction.

You say players get a "decent stipend," but as far as I know that is untrue. They don't get spending money.

If a player lives off campus, they get money towards the "room and board" portion of their scholarship, in the form of a stipend. I'm not intimately familiar with the rules, but I do believe that they can spend less than the stipend on rent/groceries, and pocket the extra money.

I mean, we have this idea that these players party all the time and live like kings of the campus for four years, and for some players that's true, but all I know is that on a lot of Friday nights when I was out partying, my roommates were in bed because they had to wake up early for Saturday workouts. They couldn't take summer internships or jobs or go on service trips or study abroad like I did. But more importantly, they can't even put the time into their schoolwork that I did. Not only do they spend a TON of time in organized football activities, but even in the off-season, they physically push themselves to the brink of physical exhaustion every day in workouts. I don't know about you guys but I find it pretty hard to study when I'm physically exhausted. Then they put their bodies on the line playing a violent sport every fall Saturday. A college scholarship is great, but I've never felt it adequately recognizes the sacrifices that big-time college players make, considering that those sacrifices contribute to an activity that generates millions and millions of dollars.

I spent my time, however limited it was, in college as a member of the National Guard. I had many of the same commitments and limitations; but I didn't expect, nor demand, any extras. Give me a break with the "these poor kids" crap. How many Universities are making millions off of the research that undergrads are largely spending countless hours doing? Life isn't always fair. No one ever said it would be. But, again.............. these kids are NOT sweatshop workers in some foreign land making $1 a day, while a guy with a whip looks over their shoulders.
 

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Family health issues drove Vanderdoes to stay in California - CBSSports.com

Eddie Vanderdoes, the five-star defensive tackle recruit who earlier this week announced that he was headed to UCLA instead of Notre Dame, the school he signed with in February, will make the case that extenuating family health circumstances have played a role in his desire to go to college in his home state of California, a source told CBSSports Saturday.

Earlier this winter, a close relative of the 6-foot-2, 310-pound defensive lineman was diagnosed with a severe illness, the source said. That spurred Vanderdoes, rated the No. 1 defensive tackle from the class of 2013 by 247Sports, to want to remain in California for college.

Vanderdoes is hoping these circumstances, along with the fact that he would be close to more family in the Los Angeles area, will greenlight his appeal. Notre Dame would not release him from his National Letter of Intent for what it deemed "integrity" purposes. Because the Fighting Irish have refused to release Vanderdoes, he would have to sit out the 2013 season and would lose a season of eligibility, meaning without winning an appeal, he would have only four seasons to play three years in college.

Vanderdoes, who is already enrolled at UCLA and considered a student there, is expected to arrive for classes later this month.
 

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If it was an immediate family member, then ND would have let him out. But it wasn't.

If any school let a kid out because any other relative got sick, it would make the system a joke.
 

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Interesting... If he found out early in winter, then he knew about it when he made his choice to go to Notre Dame... Case closed, sit a year.

"Earlier" this winter. On Twitter, Feldman said that the diagnosis came in March, which is weeks after Signing Day and fits with other talk about when this whole business began.

Who knows. Not that it's necessarily our business what kind of relative and how severe an illness, but it's still all pretty vague. Though this is the first I've heard that EV also has family in LA, which I guess helps his case a bit.
 

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Interesting... If he found out early in winter, then he knew about it when he made his choice to go to Notre Dame... Case closed, sit a year.

The diagnosis must have taken place after sending in his LOI to ND and before ND's public verification of the LOI prior to the planned HS announcement.
 

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I smell bull$hit.
Make him sit.

If he wins the appeal, National Signing Day loses all relevance.
 

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Every statement from the family has been incredibly vague. Makes me think they're trying to use a relative's illness as an excuse for a change of heart.
 
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