'13 CA DT Eddie Vanderdoes (UCLA)

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I stand corrected........... 2. It's like the Jews leaving Egypt, I tell you!

Aaaaannnd the kid who's thread we're in. Vanderdoes will make 3. Sheesh, it's like pulling teeth with you people sometime.

And what major media outlets are you talking about? ISD, 247, Rivals, Scout... they all have been all over it and have said it is almost a done deal. Just cause ESPN or Bleacher Report haven't hit it doesn't mean it's not true. Quite the opposite actually.
 
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He would have 4 years to play 3 seasons if he is not released from his NLOI.

I assumed the mandatory "year in residence" counts against his eligibility, too. Just like when Lynch transferred and sat for 2012, it counted as 1 of his 5.

One year in residence + one year of lost eligibility = 3 years to play 3 seasons.
 
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I assumed the mandatory "year in residence" counts against his eligibility, too. Just like when Lynch transferred and sat for 2012, it counted as 1 of his 5.

One year in residence + one year of lost eligibility = 3 years to play 3 seasons.

whoa whoa so It eliminates a year of eligibility, then makes you redshirt? He wouldn't be eligible to play until the 2015 season?
 

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I think there is one other option though. ND can let him "transfer" before he even reports, i.e. not let him out of his NLOI but let him go to another school and only sit out as a redshirt ala Lynch.



I believe the 3 to play 3 scenario only comes into play if ND basically blocks everything and he just chooses to enroll somewhere else.
 

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I think there is one other option though. ND can let him "transfer" before he even reports, i.e. not let him out of his NLOI but let him go to another school and only sit out as a redshirt ala Lynch.



I believe the 3 to play 3 scenario only comes into play if ND basically blocks everything and he just chooses to enroll somewhere else.

I think the only way he doesn't get the "3 in 3" is if he shows up at ND and plays there OR if ND releases him from his NLOI. At least that has been my take on it.
 

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Whiskey, I totally agree with you that it would be a poor choice on his part but there is a missing link that we're just not privy to.

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1) ND screws up signing day.

2) EV still signs LOI and he and his family glow about ND.

3) Missing link (I have no idea what this could be). My guess is that ND needed something academically and EVs camp, after getting past the signing day issue, got frustrated.

4) EV gets "cold feet" and wants out of LOI.. and apparently the signing day gaffe is a big deal again.

Something is missing in there and his father has said they will explain it when it's all said and done.
 
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Here were the options laid out by Loy:
1) Vanderdoes can choose to attend Notre Dame as scheduled. He will be on scholarship and both he and the University can fulfill the obligations set forth in the letter-of-intent that Vanderdoes signed in February. If he doesn’t want to be in Notre Dame at the end of his freshman year, he can transfer and sit out a year at his next destination. However, he will need a release to transfer and receive aid. Showing up on campus, enrolling in class and then requesting a transfer will not work in his favor. He will be in the same position that he is in now. If he comes for the year and Brian Kelly believes that he is giving it an honest shot and trying to make the best of it, Coach Kelly would more than likely grant him his release after completion of his first year. If he comes in with a bad attitude, Coach Kelly may still grant him is release, but he will put plenty of restrictions on where he can end up on scholarship.

2) Notre Dame grants Vanderdoes a ‘free’ release and just ends the drama. He can attend the school of his choice immediately and it will be like the letter-of-intent was never signed. I don’t expect this to happen, as it would set a bad precedent going forward.

3) Notre Dame grants Vanderdoes his release, but he is not eligible to play right away. He will have to sit out a year, but can enroll at his new school and be on scholarship while he takes a redshirt. He would be eligible to play starting in the 2014-2015 season.

4) Vanderdoes chooses not to attend Notre Dame at all and chooses to not live up to the letter-of-intent that he signed. He can go the junior college route and be on scholarship. He would receive aid and he could play right away. There will not be a requirement to sit for a year, however he will be required to earn his AA prior to transferring again. He could take a redshirt during his first junior college season, which would leave him three years to play after he transfers, however missing an entire year of football on-the-field could be costly to his future.

5) Vanderdoes decides to attend a Prep School. While I’m not 100% sure of this, I believe that he can play football right away, lose a year of eligibility, and then he would be free to sign a new letter-of-intent next year. It is similar to going to a junior college, however there isn’t a requirement for him to earn his AA prior to transferring.

6) Notre Dame doesn’t grant his release, but he chooses to pay his own way and attend another school. He wouldn't be eligible to play this year in any capacity or contribute. He simply can use the facilities on his own time, but not participate in team activities. This would be a tough decision for him to make. He is guaranteed a free education at Notre Dame. That wouldn’t be the case if he went this route.
 

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Here were the options laid out by Loy:
1) Vanderdoes can choose to attend Notre Dame as scheduled. He will be on scholarship and both he and the University can fulfill the obligations set forth in the letter-of-intent that Vanderdoes signed in February. If he doesn’t want to be in Notre Dame at the end of his freshman year, he can transfer and sit out a year at his next destination. However, he will need a release to transfer and receive aid. Showing up on campus, enrolling in class and then requesting a transfer will not work in his favor. He will be in the same position that he is in now. If he comes for the year and Brian Kelly believes that he is giving it an honest shot and trying to make the best of it, Coach Kelly would more than likely grant him his release after completion of his first year. If he comes in with a bad attitude, Coach Kelly may still grant him is release, but he will put plenty of restrictions on where he can end up on scholarship.

2) Notre Dame grants Vanderdoes a ‘free’ release and just ends the drama. He can attend the school of his choice immediately and it will be like the letter-of-intent was never signed. I don’t expect this to happen, as it would set a bad precedent going forward.

3) Notre Dame grants Vanderdoes his release, but he is not eligible to play right away. He will have to sit out a year, but can enroll at his new school and be on scholarship while he takes a redshirt. He would be eligible to play starting in the 2014-2015 season.

4) Vanderdoes chooses not to attend Notre Dame at all and chooses to not live up to the letter-of-intent that he signed. He can go the junior college route and be on scholarship. He would receive aid and he could play right away. There will not be a requirement to sit for a year, however he will be required to earn his AA prior to transferring again. He could take a redshirt during his first junior college season, which would leave him three years to play after he transfers, however missing an entire year of football on-the-field could be costly to his future.

5) Vanderdoes decides to attend a Prep School. While I’m not 100% sure of this, I believe that he can play football right away, lose a year of eligibility, and then he would be free to sign a new letter-of-intent next year. It is similar to going to a junior college, however there isn’t a requirement for him to earn his AA prior to transferring.

6) Notre Dame doesn’t grant his release, but he chooses to pay his own way and attend another school. He wouldn't be eligible to play this year in any capacity or contribute. He simply can use the facilities on his own time, but not participate in team activities. This would be a tough decision for him to make. He is guaranteed a free education at Notre Dame. That wouldn’t be the case if he went this route.

i cant see anything but #3 being the outcome here...anyone want to make a vbucks bet? i'll bet my entire bank on it :)
 

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Things must be settling down, One hour and 10 minutes between posts. Where's our passion?
 

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i cant see anything but #3 being the outcome here...anyone want to make a vbucks bet? i'll bet my entire bank on it :)

#4 is definitely a possibility. If I'm ND, I'm not letting him out.

It's one thing to decommit from a verbal commitment, but quite another to sign a contract and then say, "Ummm, I'm change my mind." That's fine...you changed your mind and now there are consequences to it, and you must pay them.

I don't hate the kid at all, but I do expect ND to hold him to his commitment, and I hope he learns a valuable lesson.
 

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I personally do not think ND should release EV. The universities are required to honor their side of the NLOI agreement and the students should have to also. I know schools do shady things such as gray shirting but ND is one of the few that does not oversign and doesn't gray shirt. And they honor a scholarship for all 4 years as well as provide medical scholarships when needed. ND is a special place. It is a very tough school and the athletes have to work very hard but they are taken care of for not just 4 years but for the rest of their lives. Darn right these players should live up to their end of the bargain or pay the consequences if they do not. I sincerely hope ND does not give in.
 

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#4 is definitely a possibility. If I'm ND, I'm not letting him out.

It's one thing to decommit from a verbal commitment, but quite another to sign a contract and then say, "Ummm, I'm change my mind." That's fine...you changed your mind and now there are consequences to it, and you must pay them.

I don't hate the kid at all, but I do expect ND to hold him to his commitment, and I hope he learns a valuable lesson.

#3 is essentailly to me like EV is here already and is now "transferring" before he plays a down, its "punitive" enough (sits out a year) and doesnt set any "precedents" in my view of breaking an LOI.

i really feel ND will not take a any type of "vindictive" stance to destroy the kid.

if its me: i offer him #3 with one caveat-it cant be to ucla...but i can be vindictive.
 
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#4 is definitely a possibility. If I'm ND, I'm not letting him out.

It's one thing to decommit from a verbal commitment, but quite another to sign a contract and then say, "Ummm, I'm change my mind." That's fine...you changed your mind and now there are consequences to it, and you must pay them.

I don't hate the kid at all, but I do expect ND to hold him to his commitment, and I hope he learns a valuable lesson.

This x1000.

I'd bet on #4, fwiw.
 

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The ONLY way i let him out of the LOI is if we deny him the transfer to a bcs school. Period.
 

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#3 is essentailly to me like EV is here already and is now "transferring" before he plays a down, its "punitive" enough (sits out a year) and doesnt set any "precedents" in my view of breaking an LOI.

i really feel ND will not take a any type of "vindictive" stance to destroy the kid.

if its me: i offer him #3 with one caveat-it cant be to ucla...but i can be vindictive.

It's not being vindictive. It's making a young man, someone who has probably had a pretty easy life and is going out on his own for the 1st time, realize that a contract is a legally binding document and there are consequences for choosing not to honor it. If ND did something that made him change his mind then that is a different matter. Otherwise, ND needs to let EV and other recruits know that a commitment means something and won't be taken lightly by the university.
 
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I just can't see Notre Dame letting him out. That would create all types of potential problems in the future, for us and everyone else.

The only exception would be if we screwed the pooch somehow.
 

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Guys:
so were clear...i was simply predicting #3 as the outcome here based on everything ive read and heard.

dont lump me in as one who does not want this kid to honor his LOI.

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GITF's 6 options above would be a good poll to take as to what we think is going happen here. not what we HOPE or WISH to happen...but what we THINK is going to happen. curious what those results would loook like. who knows we could have an answer before a poll was ever put up.
this thing wont last too much longer
 
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so were clear...i was simply predicting #3 as the outcome here based on everything ive read and heard.

dont lump me in as one who does not want this kid to honor his LOI.

Screw that.... Bold prediction on your part. If it were me.... I'd
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*Disclaimer* I didn't even read your prediction, but that f-ing kid kills me.
 

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I'd predict option 4 or 6 (depending on how well-off the Vanderdoes family is. If they can swing it, he's better off getting to his final destination earlier).

Still holding out hope for option 1, followed by Eddie realizing he'd be crazy to transfer anywhere else and becoming an All-American/first round pick in the 2017 NFL Draft.
 

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I just can't see Notre Dame letting him out. That would create all types of potential problems in the future, for us and everyone else.

The only exception would be if we screwed the pooch somehow.

No problems or precedent unless he gets free release which is #2. #3 is just essentially a transfer. I'd bet #3 but can't be UCLA.
 

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Here were the options laid out by Loy:
1) Vanderdoes can choose to attend Notre Dame as scheduled. He will be on scholarship and both he and the University can fulfill the obligations set forth in the letter-of-intent that Vanderdoes signed in February. If he doesn’t want to be in Notre Dame at the end of his freshman year, he can transfer and sit out a year at his next destination. However, he will need a release to transfer and receive aid. Showing up on campus, enrolling in class and then requesting a transfer will not work in his favor. He will be in the same position that he is in now. If he comes for the year and Brian Kelly believes that he is giving it an honest shot and trying to make the best of it, Coach Kelly would more than likely grant him his release after completion of his first year. If he comes in with a bad attitude, Coach Kelly may still grant him is release, but he will put plenty of restrictions on where he can end up on scholarship.

2) Notre Dame grants Vanderdoes a ‘free’ release and just ends the drama. He can attend the school of his choice immediately and it will be like the letter-of-intent was never signed. I don’t expect this to happen, as it would set a bad precedent going forward.

3) Notre Dame grants Vanderdoes his release, but he is not eligible to play right away. He will have to sit out a year, but can enroll at his new school and be on scholarship while he takes a redshirt. He would be eligible to play starting in the 2014-2015 season.

4) Vanderdoes chooses not to attend Notre Dame at all and chooses to not live up to the letter-of-intent that he signed. He can go the junior college route and be on scholarship. He would receive aid and he could play right away. There will not be a requirement to sit for a year, however he will be required to earn his AA prior to transferring again. He could take a redshirt during his first junior college season, which would leave him three years to play after he transfers, however missing an entire year of football on-the-field could be costly to his future.

5) Vanderdoes decides to attend a Prep School. While I’m not 100% sure of this, I believe that he can play football right away, lose a year of eligibility, and then he would be free to sign a new letter-of-intent next year. It is similar to going to a junior college, however there isn’t a requirement for him to earn his AA prior to transferring.

6) Notre Dame doesn’t grant his release, but he chooses to pay his own way and attend another school. He wouldn't be eligible to play this year in any capacity or contribute. He simply can use the facilities on his own time, but not participate in team activities. This would be a tough decision for him to make. He is guaranteed a free education at Notre Dame. That wouldn’t be the case if he went this route.

I'd bet the house on #3, but still holding out hope on #1.
 

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He could go to UCLA apply for financial aid if illegible with instate tuition and only play for 3 years. As far as we know he will not be a fit for the team any more
 

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If all the rumors are true ND should drop the hammer and block him from going anywhere but Taft City College and or Sac State and UC Davis (the last two so he can be close to home). Anyhow, hopefully Jarron Jones gets his act together.
 

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If all the rumors are true ND should drop the hammer and block him from going anywhere but Taft City College and or Sac State and UC Davis (the last two so he can be close to home). Anyhow, hopefully Jarron Jones gets his act together.

Sooooooooooo a Catholic university, instead of turning the other cheek, should be vindictive and spiteful? Gotcha...
 

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What I don't really get about the "personal/family reason he has to stay close to home" argument is that he doesn't even live all that close to UCLA. It's a seven hour drive.
It actually appears the closest D-1 program to his hometown is the University of Nevada, about two hours away. Haven't heard their name come up in all this.
 
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Sooooooooooo a Catholic university, instead of turning the other cheek, should be vindictive and spiteful? Gotcha...

It's not about being vindictive and spiteful (though I agree that restricting him to I-AA schools in his immediate vicinity is overly harsh). It's about not setting what would be an awful precedent in letting kids out of LOIs.
 
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