'13 CA DT Eddie Vanderdoes (UCLA)

[irishpat183]

That's a solid post, but the point isn't even EV's apparently impending defection and BK's culpability in it - the point is that Pat keeps using it as a springboard to state that BK is at fault for all (or the majority, not sure which) high profile decommitments / transfers, when in those cases we have ACTUAL evidence that it was not the case.

That is my issue. It could certainly turn out BK and/or the staff is at fault, at some level, for EV's apparently impending transfer - I honestly don't know. No one does. But the others, we do know about, and I for the life of me don't see how they are all BK's fault. Do you?

When did I say he was at fault for all of them?

I simply said that everyone is just dismissing BK as a reason....because of what they read on other recrutiing boards and twitter. And then bashing me (and some others) for questioning it. Which, at times I can be quite abrasive and deserve it, is BS in this senerio.

Some moron neg repped me for questioning BK on this issue. F**king really?

Do we really know what goes on behind closed doors? Is it not worth brining up the question if Kelly (or another member of the staff), just maybe, could be a part of the problme in keeping these kids on campus?

Homesick, to me, is still a failure of the staff(if that was the real reason). Gotta make the kid feel comfortable.


So yeah. I'm sticking to it. Is it so hard to believe that a guy who turns purple on the sideline may have some issues with certain recruits and getting along with them and/or their parents?

 

[connor_in]

The situation of Kiel, Prestwood, AL, and Shepard were all completely different. Prestwood couldn't stay; Al didn't want to until it was too late.

I know that all had different reasons...I didn't mean to combine them based on reasons, that's not my argument/point/whatever. There are myriad reasons palyers come and go. But they all at least were here for some amount of time before they left...and Tee doesn't even fall in the "transfer" listing either but people have brought him up on big time guys "we have but lose." [ The "this is why we can't have nice things" argument. ]

I am not even wanting to touch the "why's" of any of these.

 

[ACamp1900]

Some moron neg repped me for questioning BK on this issue. F**king really?

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[irishpat183]

Yea. Their IQ's are comparable as well, Charlie's might be a little higher.
Seriously we lost a 1/4 5 stars, this year and people neglect how great our recruiting class truly is even without EV.

Still smarter than Kanye West...So I'll take it.

 

[irishpat183]

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LOL...True dat homie

 

[Kanye West]

Still smarter than Kanye West...So I'll take it.

Pat I'm still waiting for you to show me where Kanye West called "white people the devil".

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Still smarter than Kanye West...So I'll take it.

Pat I'm still waiting for you to show me where Kanye West called "white people the devil".

ENOUGH

 

[irishpat183]

Pat I'm still waiting for you to show me where Kanye West called "white people the devil".

ENOUGH

Thank you.

And keep that on the relevent thread, please.

 

[NDdomer2]

Joe Schad on CFL said he talked to Eddie's dad today and doesn't have a good feeling about ND holding on. Also said Eddie will shed some light on the reasons for this decision. This is not just a change of heart.

Schad also said other coaching staffs around the country are contacting ND's staff telling them not to let him out of the LOI.

Of course they are. Why would any school want ND to set some precedent that could end up butt fvcking every school in the nation. You let a kid of of his LOI at this stage and they become meaningless, along with all other recruiting rules. That is if they aren't already.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

When did I say he was at fault for all of them?

Your whole argument has been that there's a clear pattern here, and BK is ultimately responsible.

I simply said that everyone is just dismissing BK as a reason....because of what they read on other recrutiing boards and twitter. And then bashing me (and some others) for questioning it. Which, at times I can be quite abrasive and deserve it, is BS in this senerio.

Many posters here have patiently and repeatedly explained to you that we're dismissing "BK at fault" because there's very little out there to substantiate it; not because we're fanboys.

Some moron neg repped me for questioning BK on this issue. F**king really?

Are you referring to Old Man Mike or me?

Do we really know what goes on behind closed doors? Is it not worth brining up the question if Kelly (or another member of the staff), just maybe, could be a part of the problme in keeping these kids on campus?

If you've got some evidence to support that theory, by all means, lay it out. But to continue hammering on this conspiracy theory without any substantiation is trolling, because it's making this thread about your own bloody stubborness instead of EV.

Homesick, to me, is still a failure of the staff(if that was the real reason). Gotta make the kid feel comfortable.

/facepalm

So yeah. I'm sticking to it. Is it so hard to believe that a guy who turns purple on the sideline may have some issues with certain recruits and getting along with them and/or their parents?

You're welcome to believe anything you want. But if you continue to troll this thread with unsubstantiated bullsh!t, I'm going to infract you for it. Start a new thread if you can't let it go.

 

[TDHeysus]

I dont see how this dude can report this summer like nothing had happened. for me, maybe its premature, but im writing this dude off(he doesnt love the team). If he stays it will be a pleasant surprise (until next off season when he attempts to bolt again).

Whenever reports come out and say "such and such will shed light on the subject later" i consider that to be a bunch of crap. What they are really saying is, "the reason EV is not going to ND is really kinda bullshit, but we want to be able to explain ourselves in a controlled enviornment, so ppl cant ask all the questions they will want to."

The only way this gets worse is if he somehow weasels his way out of the LOI. ND needs to hold him to his word.

if it looks like a duck, and walks like a duck, then its Lynch/Neal/Chris Martin/Omar Hunter

/quack

 

[irishog77]

Is there not an innate contradiction in your argument here? This is the source of my frustration - the same guys (not saying you per se) who would look at each recruiting class and bitch and moan about the lack of superstar talent if we chose not to recruit the high profile guys who come with baggage / issues / etc. are the same ones who are now blaming him for when they don't hack it academically / have Res Life issues / don't pan out, etc.

That's the gamble you take when you recruit these kids who have been interviewed by dozens of reporters and contacted by hundreds of recruiters since early high school, especially the ones with questionable grades / moral fiber / guidance. I agree wholeheartedly you need this kind of talent to have elite sustainable success, and that is why BK is taking these gambles. But at the same time, how are you faulting him for when these gambles don't pay off because the kid did not fulfill his duty to be / stay at ND!

You guys know as well as me how different ND is from a Bama type of school academically, socially, morally, faithfully, etc. It takes a certain type of student athlete to be here, stay here, and succeed here. Not everyone is going to hack it, but that is exactly what makes it so special, and why those who do make it are so set to succeed when they leave!

By compromising on those ideals that ND prides itself on for it's student athletes to keep these elite kids here, you are diminishing the experience and payoff for all those who do all the right things to be here and excel here.

You can either keep to your standards and realize you might have higher turnover that way, or you can compromise and lessen yourself. What do you want to do?

This is fair, Ironman. I think you and I are mostly in agreement with all this.

As for what I bolded, I think one COULD question any coach for going after some of the players they gamble on. They know it may or may not pay off...but ultimately, need talented players like that to win. I absolutely love that ND is a different college experience than virtually every other program out there...and I hope it always remains that way. The difference at, say, Florida (for example) is that the staff may be gambling on a kid that has highly questionable academics or highly questionable (dare I say it) morals/character. The unfortunate reality of the situation is that these kids probably would not be going to college, anywhere, if not for football and will often be longshots to have much success in life beyond football. ND is not, has not, and will not be recruiting these types of "gambles." They're gambling on seemingly "normal" kids...who happen to be outstanding football players as well. The success rate, while I have no statistical data in front of me, SHOULD be higher when gambling on kids with [at least] pretty good academic backgrounds, pretty decent family backgrounds, a lack of criminal records, etc. Do I expect Kelly to bat 1.000% with every kid he ever signs (regardless of the amount of stars attached to them)? No way. There will always be problems and unforeseen circumstances. As we know, such is life.

I hope Kelly and staff continue to "gamble" on kids. I know they'll get more great players to come to ND. I think the type of gambling almost every other school participates in is just that-- gambling. I think what Kelly has been doing and will continue to do at ND, based on its unique nature in college football, is take calculated risks on kids-- not outright gambling. Look, every person (particularly successful ones) have to take calculated risks in their life-- business, relationships, personal matters, faith, hell even with their diet. I HOPE (and yeah, even to an extent, expect) Kelly to win more of the calculated risks he is taking than his current resume is demonstrating. Doesn't mean the guy hasn't been a great coach at ND. But, likewise, it doesn't mean he couldn't be doing things better and having more success.

 

[NDdomer2]

this post may be on/off topic. Not about Eddie but about the 5* transfer list that was some odd pages back

I know it would take more research than anyone here is willing to do but how many of those 5*'s that transfered did so after 1 year, 2 year, etc.

How many of those ended up meeting supposed potential?

It would be interesting to see the compiled list, probably never will, but interesting none the less.

My assumption is most of those transfers are because of not wanting to earn their PT, transferring to a team where they were guaranteed to start and most likely somewhere close to home.

If my assumption would be correct and the majority of them didn't pan out it wouldn't surprise me in the least as they were only looking for the easy road from the get go and that doesn't lead to anything good in life.

So, in regards to Eddie, if he does follow through with this, I hope he knows the path he is following. The odds will be against him.

 

[irishog77]

I dont see how this dude can report this summer like nothing had happened. for me, maybe its premature, but im writing this dude off(he doesnt love the team). If he stays it will be a pleasant surprise (until next off season when he attempts to bolt again).

Whenever reports come out and say "such and such will shed light on the subject later" i consider that to be a bunch of crap. What they are really saying is, "the reason EV is not going to ND is really kinda bullshit, but we want to be to explain ourselves in a controlled enviornment, so ppl cant ask all the questions they will want to."

The only way this gets worse is if he somehow weasels his way out of the LOI. ND needs to hold him to his word.

if it looks like a duck, and walks like a duck, then its Lynch/Neal/Chris Martin/Omar Hunter

/quack

And if we're lucky, espn will televise it for an hour in primetime and call it. "The Indecision."

 

[Ndaccountant]

this post may be on/off topic. Not about Eddie but about the 5* transfer list that was some odd pages back

I know it would take more research than anyone here is willing to do but how many of those 5*'s that transfered did so after 1 year, 2 year, etc.

How many of those ended up meeting supposed potential?

It would be interesting to see the compiled list, probably never will, but interesting none the less.

My assumption is most of those transfers are because of not wanting to earn their PT, transferring to a team where they were guaranteed to start and most likely somewhere close to home.

If my assumption would be correct and the majority of them didn't pan out it wouldn't surprise me in the least as they were only looking for the easy road from the get go and that doesn't lead to anything good in life.

So, in regards to Eddie, if he does follow through with this, I hope he knows the path he is following. The odds will be against him.

Just going off memory here, since I put together that list. Some went on to actually have a decent career (think the Brown boys at KSU) and some never did anything. I did find that many of the ones that didn't do anything were ones that got in trouble with the law.

Of the ones that have left ND, we will have to wait and see. Crist didn't do much at KU, but who can blame him considering the circumstances. We will see what AL does at USF and eventually gunner at UC.

One thing I did find interesting is the Shell from Pitt eneded up at UCLA. If, in fact, there is a UCLA connection with EV, there appears to be a clear pattern developing with Mora.

 

[Wild Bill]

Just going off memory here, since I put together that list. Some went on to actually have a decent career (think the Brown boys at KSU) and some never did anything. I did find that many of the ones that didn't do anything were ones that got in trouble with the law.

Of the ones that have left ND, we will have to wait and see. Crist didn't do much at KU, but who can blame him considering the circumstances. We will see what AL does at USF and eventually gunner at UC.

One thing I did find interesting is the Shell from Pitt eneded up at UCLA. If, in fact, there is a UCLA connection with EV, there appears to be a clear pattern developing with Mora.

Jim Mora, PLAYOFFS!? The FULL and COMPLETE SPEECH - YouTube

If UCLA has been tampering with recruits, the truth will come out. Mora isn't bright enough to pull it off. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree...

 

[JughedJones]

I really hope this works out and EV is just getting cold feet.

However, we need to remember how happy we were with this class before he came in at the 11th hour. We have a lot of kids that are absolutely pumped to be Irish.. and damn good ones at that.

 

[GreenSox04]

@Isaacrochell88: So Eddie is going to ucla?

@GB6for6: @Isaacrochell88 smh


Love me some GB

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

A source tells @NDatRivals that five-star 2013 DL Eddie Vanderdoes is looking to enroll at #UCLA ($): http://bit.ly/10NojCn
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[Whiskeyjack]

....

Just more smoke. May have even come straight from the Vanderdoes family. But it doesn't mean much until the NLOI situation is resolved. Playing at ND for his freshman year still remains his best play by far.

 

[JughedJones]

Just more smoke. May have even come straight from the Vanderdoes family. But it doesn't mean much until the NLOI situation is resolved. Playing at ND for his freshman year still remains his best play by far.

There's no way BK and staff just let him out of it right?

Wouldn't that just mean utter chaos? It would set a horrible precedent for ND... and I guess all of college football.. if we just start letting kids change their mind for no real reason.

Sure, don't come and I wish you well.. I wish you well playing after your two years suspension is up.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

Just more smoke. May have even come straight from the Vanderdoes family. But it doesn't mean much until the NLOI situation is resolved. Playing at ND for his freshman year still remains his best play by far.

Agreed.. I still think he enrolls at UCLA and sits out a year. I just get the sense that his fam has a grudge with ND and will push for as long as possible to get out of the LOI and ultimately enroll at UCLA when ND remains firm.

Somewhere at some point in this mess of news I remember someone reporting that ND was actually considering letting him out of his LOI.. I don't remember where it came from though.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

There's no way BK and staff just let him out of it right?

There's no way. Not without some extraordinary circumstance or an inability to get past admissions (which several ND insiders have apparently refuted). Doing so would seriously undermine the entire recruiting process, and burn a whole lot of bridges as well. Not Swarbrick's style.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

There's no way BK and staff just let him out of it right?

Wouldn't that just mean utter chaos? It would set a horrible precedent for ND... and I guess all of college football.. if we just start letting kids change their mind for no real reason.

Sure, don't come and I wish you well.. I wish you well playing after your two years suspension is up.

A couple pages back Clashmore posted that Joe Schad was reporting coaches from around the country were calling BK telling him not to let EV out of his LOI.

 

[JughedJones]

Agreed.. I still think he enrolls at UCLA and sits out a year. I just get the sense that his fam has a grudge with ND and will push for as long as possible to get out of the LOI and ultimately enroll at UCLA when ND remains firm.

Somewhere at some point in this mess of news I remember someone reporting that ND was actually considering letting him out of his LOI.. I don't remember where it came from though.

I thought it was two?

 

[IrishFaninTX]

Agreed.. I still think he enrolls at UCLA and sits out a year. I just get the sense that his fam has a grudge with ND and will push for as long as possible to get out of the LOI and ultimately enroll at UCLA when ND remains firm.

Somewhere at some point in this mess of news I remember someone reporting that ND was actually considering letting him out of his LOI.. I don't remember where it came from though.

I just can't imagine anything that ND could have done that was so bad to make the Vanderdoes family so mad. Unless they are really upset that ND is not letting Eddie out of his NLOI. I know they were probably not too happy about the whole signing day incident but they still signed with ND so it couldn't have been that big a deal, right? I think he got scared to go that far from home and never thought in a million years that he would actually be told no by ND.

 

[JughedJones]

A couple pages back Clashmore posted that Joe Schad was reporting coaches from around the country were calling BK telling him not to let EV out of his LOI.

Thanks, yeah just read that.

I tried going back a few pages and I just ran into a big fight... and it made me sad.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

I thought it was two?

No sits out one but loses a year of eligibility.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Agreed.. I still think he enrolls at UCLA and sits out a year.

He'll sit a year and lose another year of eligibility on top of that. Very risky on his part.

I just get the sense that his fam has a grudge with ND and will push for as long as possible to get out of the LOI and ultimately enroll at UCLA when ND remains firm.

A serious grudge by the Vanderdoes family against ND would explain some of this madness, but what could have happened to ruin the relationship so quickly?

Somewhere at some point in this mess of news I remember someone reporting that ND was actually considering letting him out of his LOI.. I don't remember where it came from though.

That came from a PM someone sent GBDomer on another site:

I don't know where this is from

Because this was a PM on the other site and not from the mods I will share it. I don't know who it's from or who even it was to, but it's more info:

Five-star 2013 defensive lineman Eddie Vanderdoes has been attempting
to get out of his National Letter of Intent to Notre Dame, according to
sources.
Vanderdoes, the elite prospect from Auburn (Calif.) Placer, has
appealed to the National Letter of Intent office to be let out of his
NLI. Notre Dame, to date, has not agreed to release Vanderdoes and has
continued to resist Vanderdoes' appeal.
According to sources, Vanderdoes is basing his appeal on an
undisclosed personal reason that would make it difficult for him to be
far away from his family. The effort began soon after he signed the
NLI on Signing Day back in February.
The situation currently stands with the NLI office reviewing both sides of the case.
If Notre Dame ultimately decides not to release him, it's
believed Vanderdoes will not go to Notre Dame under any circumstances
and opt to sit out the next year and redshirt at the school of his
choice. It is unlike a transfer in that Vanderdoes would not need a
release from Notre Dame but merely abide by the NLI rules for rendering
the NLI null and void, which dictates that a student athlete be enrolled
at another member institution for a year and lose one season of
eligibility. Vanderdoes would be eligible to play in 2014, and have
four years to play three.
If Notre Dame does agree to release him from the NLI, Vanderdoes
will be free to go where he wants and be immediately eligible for the
2013 season.
No other school can speak to Vanderdoes until he is released from
his NLI. If Notre Dame refuses to release him from the NLI, and the NLI
office refuses his appeal to let him out of the Notre Dame NLI,
Vanderdoes needs to inform the NLI office of his intent to enroll
elsewhere before he can start the process.
There will most likely be some development in the situation very
soon, since the appeal process has been going on for sometime.
It's believed that Notre Dame will ultimately agree to release
Vanderdoes from his NLI, mostly because it wouldn't look particularly
good for Notre Dame to not be sympathetic to a recruit when he has a
serious personal reason to remain close to home.

I wouldn't put much stock in it.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Think I've gathered enough info here.

To EV: