ND & Michigan done after 2014

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I learned back in the early 90's... like straight up Howard diving catch 90's... that you never take this game for granted...

then 2009, 2010 and 2011 happened...

both fan bases talk a bunch of stupid smack and neither fan base ever seems to learn

so yeah... I'm glad this one is ending.
 
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I learned back in the early 90's... like straight up Howard diving catch 90's... that you never take this game for granted...

then 2009, 2010 and 2011 happened...

both fan bases talk a bunch of stupid smack and neither fan base ever seems to learn

so yeah... I'm glad this one is ending.

Exactly. Agree with everything except for the "glad it's ending" part. This game is NEVER close to a gimme, and the only thing to expect when these two teams play is the unexpected.
 

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Exactly. Agree with everything except for the "glad it's ending" part. This game is NEVER close to a gimme, and the only thing to expect when these two teams play is the unexpected.

I understand the general sentiment here-- you think we'll miss a heated rivalry game that almost always sets the tone for the entire season. But on almost every objective measure, this game does nothing to benefit ND, and it's in fact very risky for us.

Michigan refuses to schedule games against us later than September. Why should we be forced to hazard our entire season on an early-season tilt year after year? Virtually no other football power does so. Michigan risks far less, since they have the B1G championship to fall back on (which, if you believe them, they care more about than the NCG :jerkit:).

F*ck 'em. They need us a lot more than we need them. Good luck shoring up that SoS with OOC games against MAC schools.
 

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I understand the general sentiment here-- you think we'll miss a heated rivalry game that almost always sets the tone for the entire season. But on almost every objective measure, this game does nothing to benefit ND, and it's in fact very risky for us.

Michigan refuses to schedule games against us later than September. Why should we be forced to hazard our entire season on an early-season tilt year after year? Virtually no other football power does so. Michigan risks far less, since they have the B1G championship to fall back on (which, if you believe them, they care more about than the NCG :jerkit:).

F*ck 'em. They need us a lot more than we need them. Good luck shoring up that SoS with OOC games against MAC schools.

Yep... way too much rides on that game every year it seems... and reps for pointing out the obvious... just about no major program in the country schedules that way... except ND
 

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Losing early is better than losing late. Check the SEC Big boys. They know.
 

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I live and work in Ann Arbor, or as i call it "ground zero"...The fans around here are delusional....or as I like to point out to them, WALMART WOLVERINES!!!
 

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I understand the general sentiment here-- you think we'll miss a heated rivalry game that almost always sets the tone for the entire season. But on almost every objective measure, this game does nothing to benefit ND, and it's in fact very risky for us.

Michigan refuses to schedule games against us later than September. Why should we be forced to hazard our entire season on an early-season tilt year after year? Virtually no other football power does so. Michigan risks far less, since they have the B1G championship to fall back on (which, if you believe them, they care more about than the NCG :jerkit:).

F*ck 'em. They need us a lot more than we need them. Good luck shoring up that SoS with OOC games against MAC schools.

I get what you are saying here with regard to the big picture, but maybe we don't necessarily need to judge this series solely on the 10,000 foot view. Consider the benefit as a fan, that we have a heated rivalry that is 2nd only to USC. Call me a masochist, or just an Irish Catholic, but I like having bitter slugfests like UM on the schedule where the reverberations are bigger than just the W or L. Seeing the Irish beat Michigan is the second sweetest experience during the FBS regular season, only after kicking the Trojans' butts.
 

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I live and work in Ann Arbor, or as i call it "ground zero"...The fans around here are delusional....or as I like to point out to them, WALMART WOLVERINES!!!

I feel you bro. Dealt with it for four mind-numbing years.

Screw Michigan.
 

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I live and work in Ann Arbor, or as i call it "ground zero"...The fans around here are delusional....or as I like to point out to them, WALMART WOLVERINES!!!

Now I know what the A2 in the avatar means.
 

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So I avoid ESPN like the plague usually... And I find if I turn it there at random they tend to be right in the middle of ND discussion... Coincidence I'm sure/I hope... Anyway, I turn it to CFB Live today and yeah... Right in the middle of discussing this... They bring up the fact that the only Big 10 team with a winning record against ND is UM and imply that's why ND is dropping the,... And so douche makes a "bock, bock, bock" sound effect........

Sad part is there are opinions formed all over the country right there... ****in ESPN.
 

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This is going to be an unpopular choice probably, but I'm kind of sad this series is going away. The only thing better than a win against Michigan is a win against USC, and likewise a loss stings a bit more. I think it's good for college football though, and even when Michigan has been down like we have been they still have a huge national following, like it or not. I would much rather drop Purdue personally. It may be a good rivalry, but I would say it's not any shock if I say Purdue needs us more than we need them.

I agree. I am going to miss playing Michigan.
 

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The Michigan and Notre Dame series is a good one to keep going if possible.

They're just mad they can't pack the Notre Dame game between Central Michigan and Akron followed by UConn who basically had their entire roster drafted.

CMU
Notre Dame
Akron
UConn

Go 3-1 with a decent strength of schedule before going up against the "difficult" B1G conference play.

2014: same thing applies:

Appalachian State
Notre Dame
Miami Ohio
Utah

Joke schedules if we're not there.

2015:

Utah
Oregon State
UNLV
BYU

Now it's a little more challenging
 
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I agree. I am going to miss playing Michigan.

I'm not sure why any of us would miss playing michigan every year. There is no honor in playing them. By playing them, we acknowledge their meaningless presence in college athletics. And like Whiskey said, they benefit more from playing us than we'll even benefit from playing them.

For those that don't know, look up what a "michigan man" is. Then go look up bo schemblecher. He was a bigot! He hated Catholics! I know he hasn't been around the program for years but why should we play a school that continues to idolize someone who had so much contempt for Catholicism? That's what makes Notre Dame the place it is. If that dump of a school has no more respect than that, I say "to hell with michigan."

Are the ND-um games exciting? Yes. But that's beside the point. ND is now (in a way) affiliated with the ACC. The ACC is a (the) premier basketball conference and will be an excellent football conference in years to come. It has gone to great lengths to secure its future by extending its brand up the eastern seaboard and westward. It's home to fertile recruiting territory and it houses many good academic institutions (UNC, Duke, Miami, Virginia Tech, Wake, Georgia Tech).

Why are the skunkbears butt-hurt? Because they know ND is one of the few reasons why the country gives a rats *** about them. If they didn't graduate 40,000+ students every year to fuel their enormous alumni base they wouldn't be any different than, say, Pittsburgh. Dave Brandon has done everything in his power to expand the B1G to keep it from being a regional conference. He stooped so low as to add Maryland and Rutgers. Athletically they add nothing except a possible pipeline to NJ and DC recruiting. But that still is firmly ACC territory.

Long story short, michigan knows its back is against the wall. They're just the guy in the room that talks loud so everyone notices him. However, everyone finds him obnoxious. They need us wayyyyyy more than ND needs them. I won't miss playing them because it just speeds up the process of exposing the B1G and relegating michigan to nothing.
 

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So I avoid ESPN like the plague usually... And I find if I turn it there at random they tend to be right in the middle of ND discussion... Coincidence I'm sure/I hope... Anyway, I turn it to CFB Live today and yeah... Right in the middle of discussing this... They bring up the fact that the only Big 10 team with a winning record against ND is UM and imply that's why ND is dropping the,... And so douche makes a "bock, bock, bock" sound effect........

Sad part is there are opinions formed all over the country right there... ****in ESPN.

Seriously the dumbest **** ever. I don't even know how people are allowed to have opinions like that on national television.
 

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So I avoid ESPN like the plague usually... And I find if I turn it there at random they tend to be right in the middle of ND discussion... Coincidence I'm sure/I hope... Anyway, I turn it to CFB Live today and yeah... Right in the middle of discussing this... They bring up the fact that the only Big 10 team with a winning record against ND is UM and imply that's why ND is dropping the,... And so douche makes a "bock, bock, bock" sound effect........

Sad part is there are opinions formed all over the country right there... ****in ESPN.

They should have brought up the fact that the series has been pretty even after the first eight or so wins that Michigan racked up in the early 1800s of the game. Then as soon as Notre Dame wins, they get dropped.
 

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I'm not sure why any of us would miss playing michigan every year. There is no honor in playing them. By playing them, we acknowledge their meaningless presence in college athletics. And like Whiskey said, they benefit more from playing us than we'll even benefit from playing them.

For those that don't know, look up what a "michigan man" is. Then go look up bo schemblecher. He was a bigot! He hated Catholics! I know he hasn't been around the program for years but why should we play a school that continues to idolize someone who had so much contempt for Catholicism? That's what makes Notre Dame the place it is. If that dump of a school has no more respect than that, I say "to hell with michigan."

Are the ND-um games exciting? Yes. But that's beside the point. ND is now (in a way) affiliated with the ACC. The ACC is a (the) premier basketball conference and will be an excellent football conference in years to come. It has gone to great lengths to secure its future by extending its brand up the eastern seaboard and westward. It's home to fertile recruiting territory and it houses many good academic institutions (UNC, Duke, Miami, Virginia Tech, Wake, Georgia Tech).

Why are the skunkbears butt-hurt? Because they know ND is one of the few reasons why the country gives a rats *** about them. If they didn't graduate 40,000+ students every year to fuel their enormous alumni base they wouldn't be any different than, say, Pittsburgh. Dave Brandon has done everything in his power to expand the B1G to keep it from being a regional conference. He stooped so low as to add Maryland and Rutgers. Athletically they add nothing except a possible pipeline to NJ and DC recruiting. But that still is firmly ACC territory.

Long story short, michigan knows its back is against the wall. They're just the guy in the room that talks loud so everyone notices him. However, everyone finds him obnoxious. They need us wayyyyyy more than ND needs them. I won't miss playing them because it just speeds up the process of exposing the B1G and relegating michigan to nothing.

They have been saying for years that the ACC will be an excellent football conference. I will believe it when it happens. So far they have managed to be marginally better than the Big East but that is about it, not exactly premier.

Also as far as Academics go, the Big Ten is about as good as the ACC. Northwestern is about the same level as Duke and the Ohio State, Michigan, and others are good schools. Before you say that Michigan lets its athletes take crappy majors, just look at UNC (which is a good academic school) and the **** it does with it's athletes. Most major conference schools compromise their academics for their big time athletes.

Also I enjoy having a rivalry that means something. A rivalry where I hate the other team. That makes sporst enjoyable (see USC). I am sorry but playing a random ACC team doesn't do anything for me.
 

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the problem with Michigan "fans" is when they beat ND they all come out of the woodwork and shove it down your throat about how great they are but then as soon as ND puts a beating on them they disappear and will say "im not a big fan anymore" or "they arent my team really". They are the worst fair weather fans. Infuriating! They must be destroyed at all costs
 

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They sound like a psycho ex-girlfriend. UM needs ND way more than ND needs UM.

Sorry wolves, but an 8-5 team from the B1G isn't exactly a shining star an anyone's schedule resume.
 

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One of the many problems with Michigan "fans" is when they beat ND they all come out of the woodwork and shove it down your throat about how great they are but then as soon as ND puts a beating on them they disappear and will say "im not a big fan anymore" or "they arent my team really". They are the worst fair weather fans. Infuriating! They must be destroyed at all costs

Fixed it
 

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Just another case of ESPN, and the entire nation really, misconstruing the obvious truth of the matter... The amount of "hot air" being spewed over this, which is simply a part of college football and happens all over the country on a yearly basis, is just fukin annoying the shyt out of me... Fukin haters... And NO ONE has brought up how DBrandon already said that they were likely going to have to discontinue becuase of conflict with the 9 game little10 schedule.... WTF IS WRONG WITH PPL!! GTFO!!!
 

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Stones to toss in this pond:

1). The future of Notre Dame scheduling has nothing to do with Michigan nor any "fears". It's a combination of 90% business and 10% tradition. For Hoke to say what he said about Notre Dame ending the series is "beyond the planet Pluto" stupider than anything I've heard him say so far. It is SO stupid that I must believe that like non-sensical foreign political figures [like the Iranian or the North Korean] who spew nonsense for internal consumption political reasons, Hoke must believe that he has something to gain by this, and all that I can think of is a recruiting ploy. He must believe that by calling ND chicken, he will gain advantage in the living rooms of contested recruits. If so, this COULD work with some weak-minded kids and their families, but if so are they who we want anyway? Hoke's stupid remark can/will be turned back on him assuming that we win the ballgame. That is the only "important" thing in this story. In that Hoke is gambling that they win and it is probably a very bad gamble this year.

2). Notre Dame has a majority fixed schedule going into the future having nothing to do with Michigan. This has been gone over to Death but maybe needs a short re-saying. We have obligations for five ACC games. We badly need to maintain our high-value California presence with USC and Stanford. Of all of our historical rivals, both numbers and tradition says that Navy, MSU, and Purdue are the most substantive. My guess is that we and their athletic departments have grown so close over the years that at that level we are a bit like family. That is: thinking about dropping them is nearly UNthinkable. That then constitutes 10 of our 12 games. Our ACC commitment allows us to sort-of maintain our traditions with Pitt and BC even though only every three years. More importantly on the business side, it allows us presence in Florida. That then leaves Texas. We have two open schedule spots to play with. With one of those we need a Texas presence. The obvious choice would be home-and-home with Texas itself. Whatever goes on there, you can bet that Swarbrick is designing something. [Maybe even Oklahoma in Dallas].

That leaves one last game of wiggle room. Let's pretend that Texas or some equivalent power takes slot number 11 eventually. Our schedules then would include Texas, USC, Stanford, and one of the ACC powers [FSU, Clemson, VT, etc]. That's one third of the schedule in powerhouses. I'm not sure that I'd want to load up any further. Some softer "opening game" would seem strategically prudent. Whatever, Michigan doesn't fit the idea. ... on any level. I'd much rather leave "game 12" open for Swarbrick to play with so we could get another "always at home" opponent{s} to maintain the desired "7-5" pattern.

3). There is one and only one reason to continue to play Michigan. Recruiting Ohio and the Great Lakes. As long as Kelly remains at Notre Dame, we will be better than Michigan. We will have significantly greater over-all speed, significantly more dangerous over-all offense, and defense --- well, enough said there. Maybe we could use their kick return teams. Hoke is good, and Michigan will be good. But Kelly is great, and Notre Dame will be great. We are heading into an era where we will be not only better than Michigan, but better to the point where the constantly whacky things which go on in that game are not enough to keep us from winning anyway.

4). The national sports commentary about this is one of two things: a]. profoundly ignorant and single-digit IQ "thinking" by people who you'd never hire, or b]. stirring the ratings pot with the "hate Notre Dame" theme. Why any of us care even a little about this boggles me. These people are obviously not hurting Kelly or the Staff on the recruiting trail --- just look at their success. It also plays no role [obviously] on the field, where Kelly is about to reel off several double-digit win seasons and top ten finishes in a row. It's going to take us about three more years to extinguish the anti-ND lameness from the airways, but it WILL ultimately go. As the middle of the commentator community firmly swings to a "Notre Dame is Obviously good" position, those people will laugh at the anti-ND comments and begin statements with "Are you serious?"

Weighing out the balance pan, Notre Dame wins by dumping useless baggage like Michigan, playing instead some power in Texas, watching UofM get beaten in bowls while we compete and often win higher ones, and gradually out-recruit and out-player-develop them.
 

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If Alabama doesn't play in the NCG next year then I'm considering 2013 a bust for them
 

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Honestly the best point he makes in that rant is how bad Alabama's schedule is.

2013 Alabama Crimson Tide Football Schedule

wut.

I've said it before...

even if tOSU isn't the real deal it won't be that difficult to go unbeaten with that schedule... and the ONLY way Bama isn't in is if they lose the SEC title game... that's it... because they have already proven two years running they can lose ONE game and get the benefit of the doubt... and with that schedule if they lose more than one they have completely imploded...

What kills me is they will still get the “SEC schedule” benefit of the doubt… and let’s be even more honest, they haven’t played a tough schedule in a while, it’s not just this season, though this year is the worst.
 
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