ND vs ASU ON for 2014 (Like Donkey Kong)

[ACamp1900]

This is what happens with all the conference movement... but ND brings in a lot of money so people complain when ND is involved... this will be a story and ND will be the bad guy regardless...

 

[BGIF]

I would be so ashamed if this clown was our athletic director: ASU AD rips Notre Dame over scheduling flap

Simply playing "homer" or do you really think comments taken out of context in a talk radio show are less professional than having your media guy call their media guy to try and unilaterally extricate your school from a multimillion dollar contract?

A couple of days ago I posted that when Bama got hit with NCAA scholarship reductions, Bama AD Mal Moore, quickly called his ND counterpart, ND AD White to discuss dissolving an existing multi-year agreement for football games. His approach resulted in an amicable result for both parties. Most fans today aren't even aware of it because it was handled prudently and timely.

Moore didn't have the benefit of those Wisconsin nuns in his upbringing. Who knows, maybe it was Moore's association with the CSC fathers during his stint as an ND assistant coach that developed his common sense and decency in dealing with people and contractural issues.

Regardless the ASU AD didn't create this incident, Swarbrick did. First he entered into an agreement with the ACC apparently making or committing to scheduling obligations when ND already had conflicting contractural obligations in place. Second unlike Moore, Swarbrick didn't quickly contact his counterpart then he added insult to injury by having a subordinate, not even his #1 subordinate, make contact.

For all Jack's lifetime accomplishments, the handling of the ASU contract conflict isn't one of them. Bungling, hubris, and lots of similar terms come to mind but none complimentary.

Any shame is in our court.

 

[PraetorianND]

Simply playing "homer" or do you really think comments taken out of context in a talk radio show are less professional than having your media guy call their media guy to try and unilaterally extricate your school from a multimillion dollar contract?

A couple of days ago I posted that when Bama got hit with NCAA scholarship reductions, Bama AD Mal Moore, quickly called his ND counterpart, ND AD White to discuss dissolving an existing multi-year agreement for football games. His approach resulted in an amicable result for both parties. Most fans today aren't even aware of it because it was handled prudently and timely.

Moore didn't have the benefit of those Wisconsin nuns in his upbringing. Who knows, maybe it was Moore's association with the CSC fathers during his stint as an ND assistant coach that developed his common sense and decency in dealing with people and contractural issues.

Regardless the ASU AD didn't create this incident, Swarbrick did. First he entered into an agreement with the ACC apparently making or committing to scheduling obligations when ND already had conflicting contractural obligations in place. Second unlike Moore, Swarbrick didn't quickly contact his counterpart then he added insult to injury by having a subordinate, not even his #1 subordinate, make contact.

For all Jack's lifetime accomplishments, the handling of the ASU contract conflict isn't one of them. Bungling, hubris, and lots of similar terms come to mind but none complimentary.

Any shame is in our court.

I agree with this. I think we should honor the commitment to ASU and see if we can ease into our deal with the ACC.

 

[STLDomer]

“@mark_may: So Notre Dame dumped you ASU face the facts there Kate Upton and your not”

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

“@mark_may: So Notre Dame dumped you ASU face the facts there Kate Upton and your not”

LOL. Someone get this guy an 8th grade English tutor.

 

[rikkitikki08]

“@mark_may: So Notre Dame dumped you ASU face the facts there Kate Upton and your not”

Did Mark May just compare ND to Kate Upton? I like it, but he is still a giant douche nozzle.....also i don't think mark may ever made it past six grade English class

 

[dshans]

Quote:
Originally Posted by STLDomer
“@mark_may: So Notre Dame dumped you ASU face the facts there Kate Upton and your not”

LOL. Someone get this guy an 8th grade English tutor.

In my persnickety and never humble opinion, I'd say a 2nd grade tutor would suffice. Are contractions not allowed in Twitterville???



Dammit!

 

[Rocket89]

Simply playing "homer" or do you really think comments taken out of context in a talk radio show are less professional than having your media guy call their media guy to try and unilaterally extricate your school from a multimillion dollar contract?

A couple of days ago I posted that when Bama got hit with NCAA scholarship reductions, Bama AD Mal Moore, quickly called his ND counterpart, ND AD White to discuss dissolving an existing multi-year agreement for football games. His approach resulted in an amicable result for both parties. Most fans today aren't even aware of it because it was handled prudently and timely.

Moore didn't have the benefit of those Wisconsin nuns in his upbringing. Who knows, maybe it was Moore's association with the CSC fathers during his stint as an ND assistant coach that developed his common sense and decency in dealing with people and contractural issues.

Regardless the ASU AD didn't create this incident, Swarbrick did. First he entered into an agreement with the ACC apparently making or committing to scheduling obligations when ND already had conflicting contractural obligations in place. Second unlike Moore, Swarbrick didn't quickly contact his counterpart then he added insult to injury by having a subordinate, not even his #1 subordinate, make contact.

For all Jack's lifetime accomplishments, the handling of the ASU contract conflict isn't one of them. Bungling, hubris, and lots of similar terms come to mind but none complimentary.

Any shame is in our court.

And this could have happened with Arizona State if their AD didn't act like a whiny little biznatch.

We're supposed to believe he would have acted differently if Swarbrick left a message at their office instead of Heisler?

 

[Black Irish]

I think that all the bad blood between Notre Dame and Michigan enhances the rivalry. The Hurricanes were total scumbags back when the Irish regularly played them back in the Holtz era, but everyone got so excited (myself included) when they got to talk about the old "Catholics vs. Convicts" days when we played Miami recently.

Maybe Michigan doesn't do anything for ND in the sense of recruiting, exposure, etc but the series has produced some of the most hard-fought and memorable games of recent years. And as a grudge-holding Irishman, I want a chance to pound on the skunkbears for a few more years before we let them go with a winning record over the Irish.

 

[IrishLax]

Simply playing "homer" or do you really think comments taken out of context in a talk radio show are less professional than having your media guy call their media guy to try and unilaterally extricate your school from a multimillion dollar contract?

A couple of days ago I posted that when Bama got hit with NCAA scholarship reductions, Bama AD Mal Moore, quickly called his ND counterpart, ND AD White to discuss dissolving an existing multi-year agreement for football games. His approach resulted in an amicable result for both parties. Most fans today aren't even aware of it because it was handled prudently and timely.

Moore didn't have the benefit of those Wisconsin nuns in his upbringing. Who knows, maybe it was Moore's association with the CSC fathers during his stint as an ND assistant coach that developed his common sense and decency in dealing with people and contractural issues.

Regardless the ASU AD didn't create this incident, Swarbrick did. First he entered into an agreement with the ACC apparently making or committing to scheduling obligations when ND already had conflicting contractural obligations in place. Second unlike Moore, Swarbrick didn't quickly contact his counterpart then he added insult to injury by having a subordinate, not even his #1 subordinate, make contact.

For all Jack's lifetime accomplishments, the handling of the ASU contract conflict isn't one of them. Bungling, hubris, and lots of similar terms come to mind but none complimentary.

Any shame is in our court.

With all due respect BGIF, I completely and utterly disagree. This is no different (in fact, potentially LESS douchey) than handing Michigan a letter saying we were getting out of the series. How did Michigan respond? Not like the ASU guy. Because they get it.

For starters, there is nothing to talk about with ASU. We're backing out of the game. The end. The Bama situation is night and day different... because their AD needed something from Notre Dame. So he called and begged/negotiated his way out of the contract.

You've focused an inordinate amount on Jack's "bungling, hubris, etc." because he didn't personally call the ASU AD to tell him we were backing out of the game... something that anyone with half a brain (looking at you, ASU AD) should've seen coming as we need to get out of at least 2 games. I fail to see why he has to call him - or have anyone call him - in the first place. Heck, he could just write a letter and enclose a check for the buyout amount if he wanted. This is business. This is realignment. This happens all the time when teams shift conferences... you just don't hear about it because you don't have a bunch of butt hurt AD's at other schools that find the need to rant about "keeping you word" (LOL) in a business that has buyouts built into these contracts for these very scenarios AND are always assumed to be subject to change if something does come up.

On the flip side, you defend the ASU AD's quotes as "out of context" (source?) when he's the one ranting and raving to the media. THAT is "bungling" and "unprofessional". Here would've been acceptable responses from the ASU AD:

1. No comment.
2. "We're really upset and disappointed to see the series end and wish ND had called us and tried to work out a way to keep the game. But we understand that ND has to drop 2 scheduled games on their 2014 schedule as well as other games on their future slates because of their move to the ACC."

Inappropriate responses:
1. Talking about "keeping you word" in a contractual deal... where ND's hand is forced... and there is buyout for this very reason. Just flat out childish, stupid, and ignorant.
2. Implying that ND administrators are bad Catholics because they didn't "keep their word"... this wasn't Jack promising to pick you up from the airport and then going out with his buddies instead... this is conference realignment and every time a team moves from one conference to another multiple games get cancelled. It's the nature of your freaking business.
3. Refusing to accept reality.
4. Bitching endlessly about the manner in which you were informed because your ego can't take it or something.

The truth is the ASU AD is just mad that he won't get the big pay day from ND coming to Tempe. I don't blame him. I DO blame him for being a whiny brat to the media. And I also blame him for not picking up the phone the moment the ND to ACC deal was announced and calling Jack about the 2014 game if he cared so much... the ball was actually in his court as he needed something from ND... much like the 'Bama AD from years ago.

 

[Rocket89]

With all due respect BGIF, I completely and utterly disagree. This is no different (in fact, potentially LESS douchey) than handing Michigan a letter saying we were getting out of the series. How did Michigan respond? Not like the ASU guy. Because they get it.

For starters, there is nothing to talk about with ASU. We're backing out of the game. The end. The Bama situation is night and day different... because their AD needed something from Notre Dame. So he called and begged/negotiated his way out of the contract.

You've focused an inordinate amount on Jack's "bungling, hubris, etc." because he didn't personally call the ASU AD to tell him we were backing out of the game... something that anyone with half a brain (looking at you, ASU AD) should've seen coming as we need to get out of at least 2 games. I fail to see why he has to call him - or have anyone call him - in the first place. Heck, he could just write a letter and enclose a check for the buyout amount if he wanted. This is business. This is realignment. This happens all the time when teams shift conferences... you just don't hear about it because you don't have a bunch of butt hurt AD's at other schools that find the need to rant about "keeping you word" (LOL) in a business that has buyouts built into these contracts for these very scenarios AND are always assumed to be subject to change if something does come up.

On the flip side, you defend the ASU AD's quotes as "out of context" (source?) when he's the one ranting and raving to the media. THAT is "bungling" and "unprofessional". Here would've been acceptable responses from the ASU AD:

1. No comment.
2. "We're really upset and disappointed to see the series end and wish ND had called us and tried to work out a way to keep the game. But we understand that ND has to drop 2 scheduled games on their 2014 schedule as well as other games on their future slates because of their move to the ACC."

Inappropriate responses:
1. Talking about "keeping you word" in a contractual deal... where ND's hand is forced... and there is buyout for this very reason. Just flat out childish, stupid, and ignorant.
2. Implying that ND administrators are bad Catholics because they didn't "keep their word"... this wasn't Jack promising to pick you up from the airport and then going out with his buddies instead... this is conference realignment and every time a team moves from one conference to another multiple games get cancelled. It's the nature of your freaking business.
3. Refusing to accept reality.
4. Bitching endlessly about the manner in which you were informed because your ego can't take it or something.

The truth is the ASU AD is just mad that he won't get the big pay day from ND coming to Tempe. I don't blame him. I DO blame him for being a whiny brat to the media. And I also blame him for not picking up the phone the moment the ND to ACC deal was announced and calling Jack about the 2014 game if he cared so much... the ball was actually in his court as he needed something from ND... much like the 'Bama AD from years ago.

Bingo.

 

[calvegas04]

ASU will get a giant pay day from ND one way or another now. But I think it would be a cool game for ND to have in AZ. Plus all the recruits we are offering out of AZ now will be nice for them to see ND in their state.

 

[no.1IrishFan]

I'm 10 minutes from ASU, keep it here, please!!!

 

[Irishnuke]

I would have made the drive to Tempe to watch. Bummer.

 

[chubler]

Personally, I think we should just push it back to our earliest available slot (assuming that works schedule/contract-wise). The ACC deal divides our away schedule between the regions of the country nicely: With 2 or 3 ACC away games anually we should get one in the northeast and one in the southeast pretty much every year. The midwest is (obviously) covered by our B1G games. Between Stanford and Southern Cal we're in California every year, and we seem to play at least one (at OU, v. ASU in Arlington) in the Texas/Southwest area most years.

As far as who's in the right with the whole handling of this... IMO our hand was definitely forced by the demise of the Big East to relocate, so I don't think we bear any blame for superseeding pre-existing contracts in order to get into the ACC. Everyone understands that. But by trying to go all-or-nothing was a bad idea. ASU is negotiating from a VERY slight position of strength when you consider only the contract, but in the real world, ND will always have a stronger position when negotiating with ASU (and most other schools for that matter). I believe ASU and their AD were/are laboring under the delusion that they're negotiating from a position of strength in this case, which would explain their public stance on the issue. This is clearly not the case. ASU should've had the "business maturity" (according to a pharmaceutical CEO I know, this is an actual term) to assess the situation and realize that the extent of their leverage was small, so they could only realistically expect a small concession. A more "mature" approach from a business perspective would have been to attempt to get the game rescheduled in a later year, while asking for some small perk, money or otherwise, in compensation for having to put off the game. It would've been hard for Swarbrick to say no (clearly a reasonable offer, and we did have an agreement with them).

Sadly for everyone involved, ASU forgot one of the basic principles of business negotiations: The party who brings more to the table is always going to walk away from the table with more as well.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

This guy is still soooo butthurt.

ASU AD: Notre Dame would rather play Rice or Temple ArizonaSports.com

"I think they're excited about their new TV contract with the ACC, so they think it's probably not as beneficial to come to Tempe and take on Todd's team," Patterson said. "I think they've got a football coach who would prefer to play Rice and Temple.

"But we'll keep talking and see where we can get."

 

[T Town Tommy]

This guy is still soooo butthurt.

ASU AD: Notre Dame would rather play Rice or Temple ArizonaSports.com

He still has the Sac State game. He should be thrilled.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Per Brian Hamilton the game is on in 2014. Temple, Rice or Northwestern will have to be dropped.

 

[no.1IrishFan]

Yeah baby!

 

[NDPhilly]

Please be Northwestern or Rice. I've wanted to see Notre Dame at the Linc in Philly for so long.

 

[phillyirish]

Please don't drop Temple

 

[BGIF]

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/asu...re-dame-reach-deal-to-keep-football-game.html

By Jeff Metcalfe and Doug Haller
azcentral sports
Tue Jun 11, 2013 4:06 PM

...

ASU officials did not believe Notre Dame had the legal right to cancel the games. According to the original contract, the games were to be canceled only due to “an act of God, a national crisis, or other events beyond the control of the host institution.”

There was not a buyout provision in the original contract, signed in February 2008, for the 2014 and ’17 games. That contract states that both parties agree “to exercise their best efforts to reschedule to a date and time that are mutually agreeable to the host and visiting institutions.”

..

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ND suggested a 2015 date but ASU declined as they will be playing at Chase Field, 48+K seating, in 2015. They would lose 23+K seats moving the game from Sun Devil Stadium. At the $100+ ticket price for the 2013 game plus loss of additional revenue (concessions, parking, etc for 71K fans) ASU would lose $3 million or more by my rough estimate.

 

[Bubba]

This is awesome news for me. And my wife is an ASU student, so I'll probably be in the student section with all my ND gear on. Should be fun!

 

[BGIF]

Can a mod move this from ND Recruiting forum to ND FB, probably merge it into thr 2013 ND v ASU Gameday thread.

Thanks

 

[NDhoosier]

Please don't drop Temple

Rice and Temple should be the first ones to go. Northwestern is not only a B1G team, but they always have great academic standards compared to other D1 schools.

 

[ACamp1900]

Please drop MSU and Michigan now and keep Rice and Temple every year...... I'm down to go to big bowls once in a while.

 

[GreenSox04]

Rice please.

 

[irishog77]

Of the 3 schools mentioned, Temple probably makes the most since to dump, recruitment-wise.

Texas and Chicago > Philadelphia.

But Philadelphia and Chicago > Houston when it comes to subway alums.

But then there's the fact Northwestern is in the big 10...which is < Tim Tebow < herpes.

 

[IrishLax]

If we drop either Temple or Rice I will flip out.

You cannot drop all easy/tune up games and expect ND to win 10+. It is simply impossible and when we're in a crappy bowl game at 8-4 or 7-5 everyone will blame the coach when really it's the idiots who make the schedule.