'13 FL CB MacKensie Alexander (Clemson Verbal)

[TheTurningPoint]

I agree to some point on everyones comments lol. I would def take his brother to get Mackensie. But its also goes deeper than that.

1. The staff has 2 commits in 2014 already, so they have def evaluated the 2013 class on who they will be able to offer and who they are waiting to qualify to offer as far as grades, class schedules, character checks, etc.... In my opinion it would in a way be offensive to offer his brother at this point unless they were waiting on grades.

2. Armsteads/Atkinsons were offered right away or given the chance to come right away. If ND wanted both Alexanders or even the so called "package deal" BK isnt dumb and it would be on the table.

3. I think both are fine football players, its just we have a need for MacKensie and Mackenro isnt a need persay. We have projects this year at safety as well as the return of Chris Badger.

4. I do think that MacKensie is the best cb in the class and ND probably feels he is the top 3. I get where ND should do everything to get him but at the sametime there isnt a way around we are almost full and have the luxury of being picky in JULY.

5. Common sense says BK and co have a hell of a grasp on where they stand in 2013 at this point to be able to start dipping into 2014. Obviously it all hinges on winning games in the fall, but at the sametime they have recruited a certain type of player this year. They have went hard after the 4 stars with high character and intelligence. No offense to the familys of last years kids but a lot of them were more than over the edge of the typical kid ND recruits in those areas. 2012 class i think has the potential to be damn good and has potential through the sky. 2013 as we all know is closer than any class ND has got over quite sometime and they already hold each other to standards.

6. Its a long way till Feb. ND wins 9-10 games this year they will be in it to the end with some of the "elite" kids that are taking their time and thats all you can really ask is for a shot. 2011 we got chances with elite guys at the end and things went well, 2012 not so well. BK has made changes and got a Jaylon to commit early unlike last year with Gunner and its had a ripple effect. Cant underestimate getting top 10 player nationally early. Clausen did and they had a great class (at the time). Manti/Gunner waited till the end and who knows what could have been. I bet everything they wouldnt have been worse classes. ND is in a good position and I dont think anyone can complain when you break it down.

 

[Buster Bluth]

I agree to some point on everyones comments lol. I would def take his brother to get Mackensie. But its also goes deeper than that.

1. The staff has 2 commits in 2014 already, so they have def evaluated the 2013 class on who they will be able to offer and who they are waiting to qualify to offer as far as grades, class schedules, character checks, etc.... In my opinion it would in a way be offensive to offer his brother at this point unless they were waiting on grades.

2. Armsteads/Atkinsons were offered right away or given the chance to come right away. If ND wanted both Alexanders or even the so called "package deal" BK isnt dumb and it would be on the table.

3. I think both are fine football players, its just we have a need for MacKensie and Mackenro isnt a need persay. We have projects this year at safety as well as the return of Chris Badger.

4. I do think that MacKensie is the best cb in the class and ND probably feels he is the top 3. I get where ND should do everything to get him but at the sametime there isnt a way around we are almost full and have the luxury of being picky in JULY.

5. Common sense says BK and co have a hell of a grasp on where they stand in 2013 at this point to be able to start dipping into 2014. Obviously it all hinges on winning games in the fall, but at the sametime they have recruited a certain type of player this year. They have went hard after the 4 stars with high character and intelligence. No offense to the familys of last years kids but a lot of them were more than over the edge of the typical kid ND recruits in those areas. 2012 class i think has the potential to be damn good and has potential through the sky. 2013 as we all know is closer than any class ND has got over quite sometime and they already hold each other to standards.

6. Its a long way till Feb. ND wins 9-10 games this year they will be in it to the end with some of the "elite" kids that are taking their time and thats all you can really ask is for a shot. 2011 we got chances with elite guys at the end and things went well, 2012 not so well. BK has made changes and got a Jaylon to commit early unlike last year with Gunner and its had a ripple effect. Cant underestimate getting top 10 player nationally early. Clausen did and they had a great class (at the time). Manti/Gunner waited till the end and who knows what could have been. I bet everything they wouldnt have been worse classes. ND is in a good position and I dont think anyone can complain when you break it down.

The lack of a buzz buzz is disheartening..

Still, excellent post good sir.

 

[peoriairish]

I agree to some point on everyones comments lol. I would def take his brother to get Mackensie. But its also goes deeper than that.

1. The staff has 2 commits in 2014 already, so they have def evaluated the 2013 class on who they will be able to offer and who they are waiting to qualify to offer as far as grades, class schedules, character checks, etc.... In my opinion it would in a way be offensive to offer his brother at this point unless they were waiting on grades.

2. Armsteads/Atkinsons were offered right away or given the chance to come right away. If ND wanted both Alexanders or even the so called "package deal" BK isnt dumb and it would be on the table.

3. I think both are fine football players, its just we have a need for MacKensie and Mackenro isnt a need persay. We have projects this year at safety as well as the return of Chris Badger.

4. I do think that MacKensie is the best cb in the class and ND probably feels he is the top 3. I get where ND should do everything to get him but at the sametime there isnt a way around we are almost full and have the luxury of being picky in JULY.

5. Common sense says BK and co have a hell of a grasp on where they stand in 2013 at this point to be able to start dipping into 2014. Obviously it all hinges on winning games in the fall, but at the sametime they have recruited a certain type of player this year. They have went hard after the 4 stars with high character and intelligence. No offense to the familys of last years kids but a lot of them were more than over the edge of the typical kid ND recruits in those areas. 2012 class i think has the potential to be damn good and has potential through the sky. 2013 as we all know is closer than any class ND has got over quite sometime and they already hold each other to standards.

6. Its a long way till Feb. ND wins 9-10 games this year they will be in it to the end with some of the "elite" kids that are taking their time and thats all you can really ask is for a shot. 2011 we got chances with elite guys at the end and things went well, 2012 not so well. BK has made changes and got a Jaylon to commit early unlike last year with Gunner and its had a ripple effect. Cant underestimate getting top 10 player nationally early. Clausen did and they had a great class (at the time). Manti/Gunner waited till the end and who knows what could have been. I bet everything they wouldnt have been worse classes. ND is in a good position and I dont think anyone can complain when you break it down.

You logical son of a bltch.

This kool-aid tastes great, I promise!

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Yes.

I'm a proponent of telling a 5th year that won't see the field, "sorry, you had a great 4 years." This is how we could do it.

I doubt we're counting on bringing any borderline guys back. We have to bring back C. Wood, Z. Martin, and/or Watt if they want another year; you simply can't release productive NFL-caliber guys for incoming freshman, no matter how many stars they have.

Calabrese/ Fox or Tausch... maybe we let one of them go if we need to make room for a stud CB. Still hard to do at this point, since we don't know how they'll produce this season. If Fox turns in a Brian Smith-esque performance at WILB, or Tausch channels 2010 Ruffer, it would be tough to send them packing for an unproven recruit.

 

[woolybug25]

I doubt we're counting on bringing any borderline guys back. We have to bring back C. Wood, Z. Martin, and/or Watt if they want another year; you simply can't release productive NFL-caliber guys for incoming freshman, no matter how many stars they have.

Calabrese/ Fox or Tausch... maybe we let one of them go if we need to make room for a stud CB. Still hard to do at this point, since we don't know how they'll produce this season. If Fox turns in a Brian-Smithesque performance at WILB, or Tausch channels 2010 Ruffer, it would be tough to send them packing for an unproven recruit.

This is something that too many peeps on here (including myself, sometimes) completely forget about. Five star kids don't work out sometime too. It makes zero sense to get rid of productive players for "potential". I said it earlier, and it's certainly cliche, but remember that "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush". It's the same thing with football. Too many of us on here have a hard time separating actual football from recruiting. I would rather lose in recruiting and win on the field. There are some people on here that I truly feel would rather win at recruiting than the actual game of football.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

I doubt we're counting on bringing any borderline guys back. We have to bring back C. Wood, Z. Martin, and/or Watt if they want another year; you simply can't release productive NFL-caliber guys for incoming freshman, no matter how many stars they have.

Calabrese/ Fox or Tausch... maybe we let one of them go if we need to make room for a stud CB. Still hard to do at this point, since we don't know how they'll produce this season. If Fox turns in a Brian Smith-esque performance at WILB, or Tausch channels 2010 Ruffer, it would be tough to send them packing for an unproven recruit.

While I agree that you can't let an NFL caliber player go simply because you have a highly decorated recruit coming in, it isnt out of the realm of possibility to let someone go (not extend the 5y) if you have excellent depth at that position and you have a stud in the wings. By the end of this season, the staff will have a very good idea of the quality of the depth at RB and whether or not they feel they can get similar production out of GA3, Amir, Mahone (granted he may red shirt) and possibly even Shumate (who also may rs) along w some others.

 

[NDinFL]

I agree with your point Keith, I just don't see Shumate redshirting.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

I agree with your point Keith, I just don't see Shumate redshirting.

He may not, I was just stating that from the point of view that the staff may not be able to evaluate him in game action at RB this season to determine his future value at the RB spot. I realize he is likely not the same type of runner as some AC, KRussell and even GAIII, but rather more like WM. I would actually be surprised to see him RS as I do see him at least seeing action on Special Teams if not also on the Defensive side of the ball. Any way you slice it, he should be special.

 

[woolybug25]

While I agree that you can't let an NFL caliber player go simply because you have a highly decorated recruit coming in, it isnt out of the realm of possibility to let someone go (not extend the 5y) if you have excellent depth at that position and you have a stud in the wings. By the end of this season, the staff will have a very good idea of the quality of the depth at RB and whether or not they feel they can get similar production out of GA3, Amir, Mahone (granted he may red shirt) and possibly even Shumate (who also may rs) along w some others.

If it's a deep position and they aren't actually playing, then I see your point, but that isn't what Whiskey is saying. If we have a guy that is NFL caliber and playing a role on our team, it doesn't make sense to cut them loose based on hypothetical "talent in the wings". Every year coaches have to find ways to fill holes with "new talent", so it doesn't make sense to get rid of the few proven commodities in order to give a touted prospect a shot.

There are stud recruits in every class, quality starters are far harder to come by.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

At UGA Dawg Night

 

[yankeeND]

At UGA Dawg Night

I do not like this Dawg you speak of.

 

[NDPhilly]

II hearing that it's Notre Dame, Miami, Alabama or Florida for MacKensie.

 

[ThePiombino]

II hearing that it's Notre Dame, Miami, Alabama or Florida for MacKensie.

Hopefully in that order

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[Wizzle32]

awesome..I know he stated he will make another visit to ND but does he have any visits lined up for miami or alabama?

 

[STLDomer]

I don't think he has any visits planned but he has now showed up to camps twice (Miami & Georgia) unexpectedly

 

[FLDomer]

Miami is a lil less than 2 hours away, so pop in's for there are pretty easy.

 

[Grahambo]

II hearing that it's Notre Dame, Miami, Alabama or Florida for MacKensie.

Not gonna lie, I will go ape if he picked ND when he has Alabama in his Top 4.

 

[Irishman77]

Does he have a decision timeline? Thanks

 

[Sherm Sticky]

II hearing that it's Notre Dame, Miami, Alabama or Florida for MacKensie.

One of these is not like the other

 

[Wizzle32]

I don't think he has any visits planned but he has now showed up to camps twice (Miami & Georgia) unexpectedly

Thanks man

 

[Rhode Irish]

One of these is not like the other

This is a cliched comment. What does this even mean? Why would a person want to choose between five like things? Wouldn't you expect that a person would provide themselves with a diverse variety of options from which to choose? At least one alternative? IDK, doesn't seem that noteworthy to me. Not sure what point this is supposed to make.

 

[NDinFL]

This is a cliched comment. What does this even mean? Why would a person want to choose between five like things? Wouldn't you expect that a person would provide themselves with a diverse variety of options from which to choose? At least one alternative? IDK, doesn't seem that noteworthy to me. Not sure what point this is supposed to make.

You're over thinking it

 

[Rhode Irish]

You're over thinking it

What is the point of that comment?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

What is the point of that comment?

Just guessing here, but I think Sherm was simply observing that ND stands out as the only non-football factory in his top 4. Conversely, if McKenzie was seriously consider Stanford, ND, Vanderbilt, and Duke, then that wouldn't be the case.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Just guessing here, but I think Sherm was simply observing that ND stands out as the only non-football factory in his top 4. Conversely, if McKenzie was seriously consider Stanford, ND, Vanderbilt, and Duke, then that wouldn't be the case.

Right, but isn't that self evident? I just assumed that comment was suggestive of something, although I certainly couldn't tell what.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Right, but isn't that self evident? I just assumed that comment was suggestive of something, although I certainly couldn't tell what.

It's both cliche and true most of the time.

 

[Domina Nostra]

This is a cliched comment. What does this even mean? Why would a person want to choose between five like things? Wouldn't you expect that a person would provide themselves with a diverse variety of options from which to choose? At least one alternative? IDK, doesn't seem that noteworthy to me. Not sure what point this is supposed to make.

Alabama, LSU, Florida, FSU, and Ohio State are a lot more alike than any of those schools and Notre Dame or Stanford. That's all people are saying. The nice part about this is if you are following your logic, ND stays on the list for that reason alone. Most of the time, though, kids are choosing between things that are very similar, like Wisconsin and MSU.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

It was just a joke people. ND just sticks out like a sore thumb in that group.

 

[clashmore_mike]

It was just a joke people. ND just sticks out like a soar thumb in that group.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Eagles don't have thumbs....bro.