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I'm kind of surprised that no one has mentioned this, but........

If you have ever been to Spokane, or just about anywhere other than the SeaTac Metro area in Washington state; you might consider that this *is* "black" in those areas. I used to work with a black guy in Oregon who told me that he knew every black person in the state............ "Yep", he would say, "I know all 5 of them!"

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When Vanity Fair puts Bruce Jenner, in a full on glam shot in all of his trans glory, on its cover, they are absolutely engaged in trying to "normalize transgenderism." This is beyond the "do what you want, I don't care as long as it doesn't hurt me" stage. There is an obvious effort on the part of influential groups in this country to push this trans movement as the next battleground in the Social Justice War. The Bruce Jenner episode is just the loudest and most recent salvo. Just as with the gay marriage debate, saying "whatever, I don't really care" will no longer be an appropriate response in society. Sure, you can get away with that at the neighborhood cookout, but formal society: corporate/government personnel policy, admission standards, access rights will certainly hinge on how this issue plays out. As with any hot button issue, neutrality will not be accepted. Just ask someone who said they would not bake a cake for a gay wedding.

Live and let live is not the order of the day. You must either get on board completely with the issue or you will be viewed as the enemy. That is what is worrisome here. Not only are certain factions of society attempting to normalize very questionable behavior (men trying to be women, white people claiming to be black) but they are trying to label those who would even gaze askance at such behavior as wrong and bigoted.

I think viewing "news" articles the way Journalists do is a constructive exercise. When I went to Journalism school in the 1980s, one of the first things we went over in Journalism 101 is what makes an article newsworthy. Those elements are one or a combination of several of the following ...

Timeliness: In the news business, newer is better, and stories grow old in a hurry. You can think of news as a baked good that is best served fresh -- after a while it's stale and nobody is interested. (The danger in this is that sometimes we're in such a hurry to tell the story that we try to serve it before it's ready).

Proximity: People are more interested in home-grown news than in news from far-away places. A toxic waste dump in Russia is mildly interesting. A toxic waste dump in your neighborhood is major news!

Impact or Consequence: Will the information in this story change our lives? Ask this question: "Does it matter?" Does your story pass the "so what" test?

Novelty or Rarity: Is it an unusual story? The old saying in the news business is that when a dog bites a man, it's not news. The Caitlyn Jenner story is a man bites dog story, which is news every time, but it is almost certainly a short-lived news story.

Conflict: In a novel-writing class, you learn that your story needs a conflict. A book about everybody being nice to each other all of the time and living carefree lives doesn't exactly grab attention. But everybody loves conflict. That's part of why the news seems so negative. The millions of people who don't get murdered each day aren't news. The few who do are. You've probably heard the cliche "no news is good news." A lot of media outlets seems to follow the formula "good news is no news."

Human interest: This is a little hard to define, but the general idea is that people are interested in other people. Taking a glimpse at somebody else's life appeals to a voyeuristic part of human nature. A fire burning down an empty building doesn't have nearly the human interest of a fire that burns somebody's home, leaving a family homeless or killing somebody. We identify with other people, and that's part of what gives a story human interest.

Prominence: This is part of human interest. People are more interested in famous people than in non-famous people. If Bob Johnson, a farmer from Nebraska, has an affair, it's not going to make the newspaper. When the President of the United States has an affair, it's front-page news. This is why "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous" was a successful TV show, and why unsung heroes often remain unsung.



So, what you see as an active campaign to change thinking and attempt to normalize transgenderism, I see as Timeliness (and this story will fall out of the news as fast as it ascended into it); Novelty (the more we talk about it, the less of a story it is); Human Interest (there is no doubt that this is an interesting story about people); and Prominence (Bruce Jenner was the one of the most famous athletes in the world in the late 70s and found fame when the Kardashian plague hit America). I still have my doubts that Jenner is anything but a publicity whore who has capitalized on this whole gender identity issue. Not only did he have the big TV interview reveal, he quickly followed it up with the magazine cover, and now, my wife tells me, he is going to have his own TV show as "Caitlyn." Savvy performers and politicians are masters of using the media to promote themselves and their ideas, but they almost continuously have to "remind" the public or totally re-invent themselves. This usually causes people to lose interest or come to the conclusion that the person is a flake.

All of this outrage and public disgust over the Caitlyn Jenner story is just keeping it in the news, because it adds Conflict to the mix. Conflict sells papers. It is self-defeating. Stop talking about it and it will go away. Anyone who thinks that Vanity Fair is trying to socially engineer the public on the honorability and courage of changing ones gender is way, way off. This view represents a fundamental misunderstanding about journalism in general, and Vanity Fair specifically. That magazine is all about famous people in fancy clothing for the voyeuristic to get a glimpse into the lives of famous people (even though their lives are nothing like what is depicted). The people who are making this story stick are the very ones who are most opposed to it. The vanity fair cover was meant to sell magazines, nothing more, IMO.
 
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So, what you see as an active campaign to change thinking and attempt to normalize transgenderism, I see as Timeliness (and this story will fall out of the news as fast as it ascended into it); Novelty (the more we talk about it, the less of a story it is); Human Interest (there is no doubt that this is an interesting story about people); and Prominence (Bruce Jenner was the one of the most famous athletes in the world in the late 70s and found fame when the Kardashian plague hit America). I still have my doubts that Jenner is anything but a publicity whore who has capitalized on this whole gender identity issue. Not only did he have the big TV interview reveal, he quickly followed it up with the magazine cover, and now, my wife tells me, he is going to have his own TV show as "Caitlyn." Savvy performers and politicians are masters of using the media to promote themselves and their ideas, but they almost continuously have to "remind" the public or totally re-invent themselves. This usually causes people to lose interest or come to the conclusion that the person is a flake.

The left-wing bias in the press -which should obvious to everyone- has a considerable effect on our politics. It is not just in how stories are covered (e.g. 60 Minutes treating Justice Scalia as a toxic substance to be handled carefully, asking if he "acknowledges that there are other views," etc., while opening an interview with Obama and Clinton by fawningly asking them why they wanted to do the interview!).

More important than this, however, is the power of deciding which stories are to be covered. In the last year, the NY Times has mentioned "transgender" 1,053 times, compared to 1,556 mentions of "Cuomo," the current Governor of New York (!).

It is plainly a propaganda campaign. Perhaps unsurprising when, as one of the Times' editors put it, "there are times when you look at the front-page meeting and...literally three-quarters of the people deciding what’s on the front page are not-so-closeted homosexuals."
 

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I generally think of myself as progressive but I cannot get behind any of this nonsense. I literally shake my damn head at all these things, knowing who is behind them and how that is going to set back worthwhile causes by years. To be fair, though, serious thinking progressive want to be associated with this stuff about as much as serious thinking conservatives want to be associated with the Duggars and Rick Santorum.

Agreed...
 

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This whole thing is so fascinating and bizarre.

I read this piece yesterday:
Black Like Her: Rachel Dolezal and Our Lies About Race - The New Yorker

Thought that was basically right.

My immediate reaction to this lady is to be offended. Essential elements of being black in the U.S. today are the knowledge of your family history (i.e. the knowledge that your ancestors were likely brought here as slaves and oppressed for centuries or decades), the fear that much of the country still thinks of you as inferior, and the belief that you will never get a fair shake because people make snap judgments about you. There is something infuriating about someone who doesn't have to bear that pain but intentionally takes it on so she can feel like a true social justice warrior (and that may be an unfair judgment, as I'm not sure if I have all the facts, but that's how it looks to me right now).

On the other hand, as Jelani Cobb argued in the piece I linked above, all she did was lie about a lie. There is no real, deep biological difference between blacks and whites, contrary to the received wisdom as of just a few decades ago, so if this chick wants to be black ... I guess she can be? At root, it's a meaningless distinction anyway, is Jelani Cobb's point. And I can't really argue with that. Sure it's been imbued with meaning over time (Jelani Cobb is black and he knows that as well as anybody), but there's no underlying substance to the distinction, really.

Just such a bizarre situation.
 

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This whole thing is so fascinating and bizarre.

I read this piece yesterday:
Black Like Her: Rachel Dolezal and Our Lies About Race - The New Yorker

Thought that was basically right.

My immediate reaction to this lady is to be offended. Essential elements of being black in the U.S. today are the knowledge of your family history (i.e. the knowledge that your ancestors were likely brought here as slaves and oppressed for centuries or decades), the fear that much of the country still thinks of you as inferior, and the belief that you will never get a fair shake because people make snap judgments about you. There is something infuriating about someone who doesn't have to bear that pain but intentionally takes it on so she can feel like a true social justice warrior (and that may be an unfair judgment, as I'm not sure if I have all the facts, but that's how it looks to me right now).

On the other hand, as Jelani Cobb argued in the piece I linked above, all she did was lie about a lie. There is no real, deep biological difference between blacks and whites, contrary to the received wisdom as of just a few decades ago, so if this chick wants to be black ... I guess she can be? At root, it's a meaningless distinction anyway, is Jelani Cobb's point. And I can't really argue with that. Sure it's been imbued with meaning over time (Jelani Cobb is black and he knows that as well as anybody), but there's no underlying substance to the distinction, really.

Just such a bizarre situation.

There isn't?

I didn't read the article, so maybe I'm misunderstanding this, but there seems to be an awful lot of biological, phenotypically different traits between various races. How come every CB in the NFL is Black and not Asian? How about the differences in susceptibility to different maladies, such as heart disease, between the races?

The idea that everyone is the same seems like a politically correct lie refuted by facts.
 

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This whole thing is so fascinating and bizarre.

I read this piece yesterday:
Black Like Her: Rachel Dolezal and Our Lies About Race - The New Yorker

Thought that was basically right.

My immediate reaction to this lady is to be offended. Essential elements of being black in the U.S. today are the knowledge of your family history (i.e. the knowledge that your ancestors were likely brought here as slaves and oppressed for centuries or decades), the fear that much of the country still thinks of you as inferior, and the belief that you will never get a fair shake because people make snap judgments about you. There is something infuriating about someone who doesn't have to bear that pain but intentionally takes it on so she can feel like a true social justice warrior (and that may be an unfair judgment, as I'm not sure if I have all the facts, but that's how it looks to me right now).

On the other hand, as Jelani Cobb argued in the piece I linked above, all she did was lie about a lie. There is no real, deep biological difference between blacks and whites, contrary to the received wisdom as of just a few decades ago, so if this chick wants to be black ... I guess she can be? At root, it's a meaningless distinction anyway, is Jelani Cobb's point. And I can't really argue with that. Sure it's been imbued with meaning over time (Jelani Cobb is black and he knows that as well as anybody), but there's no underlying substance to the distinction, really.

Just such a bizarre situation.


I see this differently. Opportunities like scholarships or hiring quotas could be taken by someone that pretends to be a minority while a true minority misses out. This particular situation may be a meaningless distinction (although she may have taken someone's spot in college), but if this swept under the rug it can open the door for others to use it as an advantage.
 

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I see this differently. Opportunities like scholarships or hiring quotas could be taken by someone that pretends to be a minority while a true minority misses out. This particular situation may be a meaningless distinction (although she may have taken someone's spot in college), but if this swept under the rug it can open the door for others to use it as an advantage.
Solution: Stop giving anyone preferential treatment based on race.
 

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There is something infuriating about someone who doesn't have to bear that pain but intentionally takes it on so she can feel like a true social justice warrior (and that may be an unfair judgment, as I'm not sure if I have all the facts, but that's how it looks to me right now).

Do you think she faked the whole thing to be a social justice warrior or to reap the benefits of entitlements or positions she would have never received as a white woman?

My immediate reaction to this lady is to be offended. Essential elements of being black in the U.S. today are the knowledge of your family history (i.e. the knowledge that your ancestors were likely brought here as slaves and oppressed for centuries or decades), the fear that much of the country still thinks of you as inferior, and the belief that you will never get a fair shake because people make snap judgments about you.

I'm not naive enough to believe blacks don't face racism/discrimination, but I think it's becoming increasingly clear that the benefits certain groups receive can outweigh any discrimination/racism they may face. This woman is a good example.

This story reminds me of my old roommate. His father was adopted by a Mexican family and then married an Italian woman. To this day his father has no idea if his biological parents are Mexican but that didn't stop my roommate from riding his surname and olive colored skin to a $30k per year scholarship, even though his mother made a quarter million a year as an exec at a fortune 500 company.
 

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Do you think she faked the whole thing to be a social justice warrior or to reap the benefits of entitlements or positions she would have never received as a white woman?

Considering at one point she sued Howard because black students were getting "preferential treatment" over her... I don't think it's a stretch to connect the dots that she saw a distinct social advantage in being black and considered a victim. It's also the same reason she sent herself hate mail, to perpetuate the lie that she was a victim.

Her adopted brothers... who are actually black... seem to take the most offense to this. That she never had to deal with any racism or struggle growing up, and only now that she is an adult and being black suits her both professionally and socially she "opts in" for the benefits.
 

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Considering at one point she sued Howard because black students were getting "preferential treatment" over her... I don't think it's a stretch to connect the dots that she saw a distinct social advantage in being black and considered a victim. It's also the same reason she sent herself hate mail, to perpetuate the lie that she was a victim.

Her adopted brothers... who are actually black... seem to take the most offense to this. That she never had to deal with any racism or struggle growing up, and only now that she is an adult and being black suits her both professionally and socially she "opts in" for the benefits.

Agree...seems to me she is full of shit. She is an opportunist of the highest order. She got caught because...shocker the FBI takes it seriously when you claim to be threatened as a civil rights "leader". Her parents told the truth when approached. This is 100% of her own making...both the dishonorable ascension and the fall...her doing. She co-opted the struggles of others for self-gain...something I find repulsive, cynical, and, ...criminal.
 

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Anyone else reminded of this scene? (Skip to 1:07)

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/gLvcrsbliOo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Gotta have the right races in the right places or else the whole system falls apart, amirite?

Not equating the NAACP with the KKK, just pointing out how silly this whole situation is.
 

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Anyone else reminded of this scene? (Skip to 1:07)

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/gLvcrsbliOo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Gotta have the right races in the right places or else the whole system falls apart, amirite?

Not equating the NAACP with the KKK, just pointing out how silly this whole situation is.

Y'all is Miscegenated!
 

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1. The end of the video was great. He set her up and she got caught with her pants down.
2. She doesn't look black to me.
3. The problem is she lied.
4. Want to associate with the black culture? Fine, go ahead, just don't lie about your heritage.
5. Definitely an opportunistic person looking to use the system for her own benefit.
6. Doesn't she realize that she could have as much if not more of an impact for black justice fighting for it as a white?
 

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1. The end of the video was great. He set her up and she got caught with her pants down.
2. She doesn't look black to me.
3. The problem is she lied.
4. Want to associate with the black culture? Fine, go ahead, just don't lie about your heritage.
5. Definitely an opportunistic person looking to use the system for her own benefit.
6. Doesn't she realize that she could have as much if not more of an impact for black justice fighting for it as a white?

Deon Cole Takes On Rachel Dolezal @ TeamCoco.com
 

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1. The end of the video was great. He set her up and she got caught with her pants down.
2. She doesn't look black to me.
3. The problem is she lied.
4. Want to associate with the black culture? Fine, go ahead, just don't lie about your heritage.
5. Definitely an opportunistic person looking to use the system for her own benefit.
6. Doesn't she realize that she could have as much if not more of an impact for black justice fighting for it as a white?

Why do we even have a system that allows advantage on a racial basis?
 

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There isn't?

I didn't read the article, so maybe I'm misunderstanding this, but there seems to be an awful lot of biological, phenotypically different traits between various races. How come every CB in the NFL is Black and not Asian? How about the differences in susceptibility to different maladies, such as heart disease, between the races?

The idea that everyone is the same seems like a politically correct lie refuted by facts.

Oh, clearly there are SOME differences between people of different races, but those things are basically superficial. I had thought that was generally (though not universally) accepted as more than politically correct hokum, but you don't have to agree with that to agree with the Cobb piece. His point was more about how there isn't a clear line separating black from white in this country, so when you really try to drill down on who can call himself "black" and who can't it can get a little cloudy (although he says outright that "Rachel Dolezal is not black"):

The spectrum of shades and colorings that constitute “black” identity in the United States, and the equal claim to black identity that someone who looks like White or Wright (or, for that matter, Dolezal) can have, is a direct product of bloodlines that attest to institutionalized rape during and after slavery. Nearly all of us who identify as African-American in this country, apart from some more recent immigrants, have at least some white ancestry. My own white great-grandparent is as inconsequential as the color of my palms in terms of my status as a black person in the United States. My grandparents had four children: my father and his brother, both almond-brown, with black hair and dark eyes, and two girls with reddish hair, fair skin, freckles, and gray eyes. All of them were equally black because they were equal heirs to the quirks of chance determining whether their ancestry from Europe or Africa was most apparent. Dolezal’s primary offense lies not in the silly proffering of a false biography but in knowing this ugly history and taking advantage of the reasons that she would, at least among black people, be taken at her word regarding her identity.

Race, in this country and under certain circumstances, functions like a faith, in that the simple profession of membership is sufficient. The most—possibly the sole—democratic element of race in this country lies in this ecumenical approach to blackness. We are not in the business of checking membership cards. In this way, Dolezal’s claim on black identity is of a different order than the hollow declaration of a Hollywood scion or anyone else who opted to be Negro for a season. They can plead ignorance. But Dolezal spent four years at an institution steeped in the delicacies of race. If nothing else, she understands the exact nature of the trust she violated.

Despite the interchangeability of the terms “African-American” and “black,” this is a community in which ancestry is one, but clearly not the sole or necessarily even the primary, basis for inclusion. Walter White was only fractionally more African than Dolezal, but black enough to be accepted as not only a member of that community but one of its leaders. There is also a disquieting notion inherent in this approach to identity—that if anyone can indeed be “black,” then we all are, that Morrison and Coltrane and Chisholm and Malcolm are both unhyphenated Americans and indistinct. (And yet, in circumstances where someone named Eric Garner or Walter Scott is looking nervously over his shoulder, they are still vulnerably intelligible.) It putatively means that Chet Haze is as qualified to utter the word “nigga” as anyone for whom dark skin and skewed life chances have given the word connotations Haze would never countenance. It means, most damningly, that black people are not distinctly bound to each other. Yet both of these things—a community rooted in race and a deep-seated skepticism about the very existence of race—coexist.


I see this differently. Opportunities like scholarships or hiring quotas could be taken by someone that pretends to be a minority while a true minority misses out. This particular situation may be a meaningless distinction (although she may have taken someone's spot in college), but if this swept under the rug it can open the door for others to use it as an advantage.

This is not inconsistent with anything I was saying; I was speaking in my above post about the theoretical difference between black and white, not about the policies we've engineered to help disadvantaged minorities. No, I tend to agree with what you've written. The strongest objection to what Rachel Dolezal has done (even leaving aside for a moment that she MADE UP hate crimes, which is bad no matter who you are) is that she took advantage of the sympathy of people who thought of her as someone who comes from a minority group whose members are often disadvantaged. It's unconscionable, from that perspective.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Please let this story never end. <a href="https://t.co/7GHQeG8zqA">https://t.co/7GHQeG8zqA</a></p>— Stewart Mandel (@slmandel) <a href="https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/611208197085396992">June 17, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Please let this story never end. <a href="https://t.co/7GHQeG8zqA">https://t.co/7GHQeG8zqA</a></p>— Stewart Mandel (@slmandel) <a href="https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/611208197085396992">June 17, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Rachel Dolezal: 'No biological proof' she has white parents
The woman who resigned as president of the Spokane NAACP after her parents revealed she was white posing as black says there's no proof they are her mother and father.
 

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Do you think she faked the whole thing to be a social justice warrior or to reap the benefits of entitlements or positions she would have never received as a white woman?

More to be a social justice warrior than the other. My read is that she is a person who has a weird victim complex or something, she was fascinated with blackness, and she just wanted to be a part of the black community. I don't think it was a calculated thing to achieve external success; I think it was more of an internal thing where she just wanted to be black and, relatedly, to fight for the advancement of black people, which she felt she could do more credibly if she "is" black.

The irony of all that is that of course she doesn't have to be black to advocate for blacks. There is definitely something pathological going on with her.
 

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I actually have a somewhat parallel experience to this situation within my family. My younger brother, who is adopted, is bi-racial (my parents are both white). His birth mother was white and birth father was black. He is fairly dark skinned, and is often "mistaken" as "just black". In fact, as he has gotten older (he's in college now and I'd say that he started this in high school) he consistently identifies himself as black when speaking about himself, and not as bi-racial. I've often struggled with understanding why he feels that way and seems to "ignore" his "whiteness". I don't have a problem with how he characterizes himself, but now that this situation has come up, I think it lends credence to the idea that it could be a result of coping with being adopted. If you think about it, you've probably already struggled to get your head around the fact that your biological parents gave you up for adoption (right, wrong, or indifferently), and now you see that others in your family clearly look different (this woman's case she has black siblings, also adopted), and it's a situation ripe for some psychological/emotional issues to deal with this. My parents took my brother to sessions with a psychologist to address some behavioral issues, and I don't know what they ever got into, but perhaps seeking counseling will help this woman deal with these apparent issues as well.
 

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