Who do you want to replace Brian Kelly?

[kmoose]

He's the ATHLETIC director. What's the most important category of ND athletics?

ACADEMICS!!

FIFY

 

[IrishLax]

I for one, applaud the intent here, if not the execution. Jack has made it clear no change is comming, and that indeed, he has some level of positive satisfaction with the job Kelly has done.

Or maybe he realizes that if he is stuck with Kelly for another year that public support makes a helluva lot more sense than saying "look, we know Kelly sucks and he has to go, but we couldn't find a replacement that everyone agreed was suitable and worth the buyout, so we're stuck for another year."

 

[gkIrish]

I'm doing nothing of the sort. I'm saying that you and koon are wrong, if you think that Swarbrick's #1 priority is, or even should be, wins and losses on the football field. That's not to say it shouldn't be a HIGH priority for him, but it isn't his #1 priority, like both of you have claimed.

Agree to disagree.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

Or maybe he realizes that if he is stuck with Kelly for another year that public support makes a helluva lot more sense than saying "look, we know Kelly sucks and he has to go, but we couldn't find a replacement that everyone agreed was suitable and worth the buyout, so we're stuck for another year."

Maybe. But that position shouldn't negate the criticism. In fact, it reveals another - a distinct lack of foresight and planning.

 

[Rocket89]

It actually can be proven. Guys are losing too much weight. McGlinchey ended the season under 300 lbs. He's 6'7! How is he under 300 lbs? Nutritional intake isn't being properly tracked.

The thing is all of the weight loss happened during the season, which means it probably wasn't intended. His weight at the start of the season (325 lbs I believe) was likely his target weight since he had all spring and summer to get it dialed in.

All players are going to lose a little during the season, but from what I heard on one of the podcasts, ND players are losing way too much, like 20-30 lbs. That is going to make you weaker and make recovery more difficult.

Yeah, "proven."

One, these same S&C critiques have been used for years at ND. They're used by every fan base, really. I mentioned how much flack Marotti got while he was here and voila years later he's considered one of the best in the business.

Two, this time last year someone like McGlinchey was getting a ton of love as a future top NFL pick. Not a peep about weight concerns. What's the difference? Winning. The training table, nutrition, and sleep tracking keeps getting better at Notre Dame. Now, all of a sudden we're seeing massive weight loss?

Three, the season is nary 90 freaking days long. Do people really buy 2 pounds lost every single week? They don't even work that hard during the week through the season! How much weight did McGlinchey lose during fall camp then? 60 pounds?

Four, what if McGlinchey just isn't that great? Or had a bad year? Or was banged up a little bit? Or there were some coaching issues? Blaming (nearly) everything on S&C issues allows people to avoid having those much tougher conversations. I wouldn't trust any source coming from BGI tbh and I know one of the ISD writers doesn't really buy these weight loss stories. So, grains of salt and all that.

 

[GATTACA!]

FIFY

Yet here we sit every season with losses to teams like, Stanford, Duke, and Northwestern. For all our focus on academics over football we're getting our ass handed to us in both departments. Unless there is a shift in mentality and a rededication to football we might as well pack it up and join the AAC. Then we can all sit around and circlejerk about our graduation rate as we slide into irrelevancy.

 

[Free Manera]

Yeah, "proven."

One, these same S&C critiques have been used for years at ND. They're used by every fan base, really. I mentioned how much flack Marotti got while he was here and voila years later he's considered one of the best in the business.

Two, this time last year someone like McGlinchey was getting a ton of love as a future top NFL pick. Not a peep about weight concerns. What's the difference? Winning. The training table, nutrition, and sleep tracking keeps getting better at Notre Dame. Now, all of a sudden we're seeing massive weight loss?

Three, the season is nary 90 freaking days long. Do people really buy 2 pounds lost every single week? They don't even work that hard during the week through the season! How much weight did McGlinchey lose during fall camp then? 60 pounds?

Four, what if McGlinchey just isn't that great? Or had a bad year? Or was banged up a little bit? Or there were some coaching issues? Blaming (nearly) everything on S&C issues allows people to avoid having those much tougher conversations. I wouldn't trust any source coming from BGI tbh and I know one of the ISD writers doesn't really buy these weight loss stories. So, grains of salt and all that.

Obviously I can't confirm players' weights. However I don't see the motivation for all of those guys to fabricate it, unless they each have a personal vendetta against Longo.

It's not all on S&C. This year was a perfect storm of lack of leadership, poor coaching, and poor focus. However, this stuff adds up. Big time football is hard. The players need to be given the best chance to succeed, especially given the academic rigors everyone is arguing about in this thread. Significant weight loss like this would mean reduced energy, reduced recovery, reduced strength, reduced focus, and reduced stamina.

I don't think this situation is like the usual S&C fan grumblings. These are not complaints based on body composition or linemen getting blown off the line for a few games. There is a lot of smoke around there being deficiencies there.

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

Yeah, "proven."

One, these same S&C critiques have been used for years at ND. They're used by every fan base, really. I mentioned how much flack Marotti got while he was here and voila years later he's considered one of the best in the business.

Two, this time last year someone like McGlinchey was getting a ton of love as a future top NFL pick. Not a peep about weight concerns. What's the difference? Winning. The training table, nutrition, and sleep tracking keeps getting better at Notre Dame. Now, all of a sudden we're seeing massive weight loss?

Three, the season is nary 90 freaking days long. Do people really buy 2 pounds lost every single week? They don't even work that hard during the week through the season! How much weight did McGlinchey lose during fall camp then? 60 pounds?

Four, what if McGlinchey just isn't that great? Or had a bad year? Or was banged up a little bit? Or there were some coaching issues? Blaming (nearly) everything on S&C issues allows people to avoid having those much tougher conversations. I wouldn't trust any source coming from BGI tbh and I know one of the ISD writers doesn't really buy these weight loss stories. So, grains of salt and all that.

You don't think someone who's potentially running with 20/30% body fat can lose 2lbs per week? Are you serious? You've used the Mickey line several times. He was the DIRECTOR of strength and conditioning for all sports. So, blaming him is like blaming Jack for the 4-8 record. He essentially was the AD of strength and conditioning. Completely different roll than what Longo has going on.


It's a scheme issue through and through. Longo spends more time with these kids than anyone associated with the football program. By far.

 

[kmoose]

Yet here we sit every season with losses to teams like, Stanford, Duke, and Northwestern. For all our focus on academics over football we're getting our ass handed to us in both departments. Unless there is a shift in mentality and a rededication to football we might as well pack it up and join the AAC. Then we can all sit around and circlejerk about our graduation rate as we slide into irrelevancy.

No one else is beating us in educating student-athletes. Not on any regular basis. And certainly not every year.

 

[Free Manera]

You don't think someone who's potentially running with 20/30% body fat can lose 2lbs per week? Are you serious? You've used the Mickey line several times. He was the DIRECTOR of strength and conditioning for all sports. So, blaming him is like blaming Jack for the 4-8 record. He essentially was the AD of strength and conditioning. Completely different roll than what Longo has going on.


It's a scheme issue through and through. Longo spends more time with these kids than anyone associated with the football program. By far.

Yeah I wasn't going to bring up the physiological argument there but it is totally plausible for a 21 year old kid, weighing 300+ lbs, running and lifting 5 days a week, to lose 2 lbs per week if he is not eating a ton of food.

These kids are extremely busy. They need to be reminded to eat often, monitored, and only provided the proper food options.

 

[Rocket89]

You don't think someone who's potentially running with 20/30% body fat can lose 2lbs per week? Are you serious? You've used the Mickey line several times. He was the DIRECTOR of strength and conditioning for all sports. So, blaming him is like blaming Jack for the 4-8 record. He essentially was the AD of strength and conditioning. Completely different roll than what Longo has going on.


It's a scheme issue through and through. Longo spends more time with these kids than anyone associated with the football program. By far.

Sure, someone can lose 2 pounds per week. It's possible. But it's really, really hard to do when you're given the resources at a major college football program. Now multiply that by...how many players on the team?

It shouldn't pass the smell test for anyone. Plus, you know my other points I made, too.

 

[phgreek]

Yeah I wasn't going to bring up the physiological argument there but it is totally plausible for a 21 year old kid, weighing 300+ lbs, running and lifting 5 days a week, to lose 2 lbs per week if he is not eating a ton of food.

These kids are extremely busy. They need to be reminded to eat often, monitored, and only provided the proper food options.

Should lose a little...I think 10 more than 10 is probably not a good thing. But as the season grinds on them, being a little lighter at left tackle isn't all bad...

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

Sure, someone can lose 2 pounds per week. It's possible. But it's really, really hard to do when you're given the resources at a major college football program. Now multiply that by...how many players on the team?

It shouldn't pass the smell test for anyone. Plus, you know my other points I made, too.

My original point is that if that's the GOAL is to drop wait to meet a specifically requirement of Kelly's than it's easy to do. Especially caring around a good amount of excess body fat, water retention a whole liteny of contributing factors.

 

[GATTACA!]

No one else is beating us in educating student-athletes. Not on any regular basis. And certainly not every year.

Oh really, which one of those teams was just instructed to vacate 20+ wins because of academic misconduct? Which one of those teams had 5 "student" athletes arrested for being in a car with weed and a handgun?

 

[BoredIrish]

Vic Fangio for DC.

I have no inside info... I'd just love to see it happen.

 

[koonja]

Siap. Apparently whoever took out this ad in the newspaper intends to do more of them.

Notre Dame alumni, fans take out full-page ad in student newspaper blasting AD

 

[Irishize]

That's true. Yost's anti-Catholic stance forced ND out onto the road so it's ND's Catholicism that gave rise to the football teams national brand in the age of Life magazine, barnstorming and whistle stop tours.

You're right. Yost's anti-Catholic bigotry prevented ND from joining B10 and spurred the creation of a national following as they were forced to barnstorm across the country.

 

[irishff1014]

This is the picture in that tweet.

Stupid shit like this is why other fan bases laugh at the ND fan base.

 

[calvegas04]

Jack has done FAR more good to ND athletics than harm

 

[Irish YJ]

Jack has done FAR more good to ND athletics than harm

he can do gooder..

 

[NDinBoston]

Yet here we sit every season with losses to teams like, Stanford, Duke, and Northwestern. For all our focus on academics over football we're getting our ass handed to us in both departments. Unless there is a shift in mentality and a rededication to football we might as well pack it up and join the AAC. Then we can all sit around and circlejerk about our graduation rate as we slide into irrelevancy.

Many have chosen to point out the records of Steroidsford vs ND over 2010-2016 so here is a comparison of ND to Duke and NW:
- ND = 59-31
- NW = 49-39
- Duke = 43-46

4-8 sucks but I wouldn't trade programs.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

Many have chosen to point out the records of Steroidsford vs ND over 2010-2016 so here is a comparison of ND to Duke and NW:
- ND = 59-31
- NW = 49-39
- Duke = 43-46

4-8 sucks but I wouldn't trade programs.

So this is what we are reduced to. Comparing the notre dame football program to northwestern and duke? Maybe we are actually irrelevant?

 

[NDinBoston]

So this is what we are reduced to. Comparing the notre dame football program to northwestern and duke? Maybe we are actually irrelevant?

I didn't initiate the comparison. There was a debate around academics vs athletics and this comparison was raised as a negative for ND due to the recent losses to these schools. I simply shared the records.

 

[phork]

So this is what we are reduced to. Comparing the notre dame football program to northwestern and duke? Maybe we are actually irrelevant?

2012 was a lulling into belief. Yes we are irrelevant.

 

[Blaise]

Charlie Strong has to be #1 on the dream DC list.. Everytime another job is taken and its not Charlie gives me more hope that maybe he could be the guy. I just hope if it is Charlie it happens sooner than later so maybe he can help steal a defensive recruit or two from Texas.

 

[koonja]

Can someone explain how Charlie Strong would even make money becoming NDs dc, assuming he gets 1 million per year?

I assume he was making ~5 million per at Texas, which he's owed. So I thought unless he takes a job for more than 5 million, he won't actually make any more than he would otherwise.

Am I completely wrong on how this works?

 

[Free Manera]

Can someone explain how Charlie Strong would even make money becoming NDs dc, assuming he gets 1 million per year?

I assume he was making ~5 million per at Texas, which he's owed. So I thought unless he takes a job for more than 5 million, he won't actually make any more than he would otherwise.

Am I completely wrong on how this works?

If I remember the contract language correctly, Strong has an obligation to pursue employment in good faith. If employment is secured and he makes less than his UT salary, then Texas would still pay the balance, or close to it. In your scenario UT would pay 4 mil a year instead of 5.

Language like that is included because if not, why would Strong bother working? UT would be on the hook for 5 mil a year for the foreseeable future. This saves them 1 mil a year if he is a coordinator, and maybe 2 or 3 if he gets a head job somewhere like USF.

 

[koonja]

If I remember the contract language correctly, Strong has an obligation to pursue employment in good faith. If employment is secured and he makes less than his UT salary, then Texas would still pay the balance, or close to it. In your scenario UT would pay 4 mil a year instead of 5.

Language like that is included because if not, why would Strong bother working? UT would be on the hook for 5 mil a year for the foreseeable future. This saves them 1 mil a year if he is a coordinator, and maybe 2 or 3 if he gets a head job somewhere like USF.

Thanks, can't rep from my phone. Language is ambiguous but nothing you can do about that. Texas obviously wants him to get a head coaching gig so they can pay less but doesn't really matter what Texas wants I suppose.

 

[Rack Em]

Can someone explain how Charlie Strong would even make money becoming NDs dc, assuming he gets 1 million per year?

I assume he was making ~5 million per at Texas, which he's owed. So I thought unless he takes a job for more than 5 million, he won't actually make any more than he would otherwise.

Am I completely wrong on how this works?

Yes. He's required under his contract to mitigate any damages. Basically, he has to be looking and interviewing for a job otherwise Texas doesn't have to pay him, per his contract.

- If he does land a job (say $1 mil/year), Texas pays him the difference between what he's owed under the contract and what his new job pays him. So $4 mil/year.

- If he lands a job that pays him more than $5 mil/year, Texas may not have to pay him anything. That's probably spelled out in the contract details.

- If he doesn't land a job, but puts in a good faith effort, Texas will pay him the full $5 mil/year.

- If he sits around like a bum, Texas won't have to pay him anything.

This is typically how contract law works. The party who didn't void the contract is usually responsible for mitigating or lessening the damages the breaching party has to pay. You're expected to always try to improve your situation if you get screwed.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Vic Fangio for DC.

I have no inside info... I'd just love to see it happen.

You can f*ck right off out of here! Stay away from Vic