Who do you want to replace Brian Kelly?

[gkIrish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Great ad in the Observer today. Silent majority of ND students, alumni, and fans want to make ND great again. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/firekelly?src=hash">#firekelly</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/fireswarbrick?src=hash">#fireswarbrick</a> <a href="https://t.co/1yLJPmNSkP">pic.twitter.com/1yLJPmNSkP</a></p>— Notre Dame Trump (@realNotreTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realNotreTrump/status/806494145057615872">December 7, 2016</a></blockquote>
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The top and bottom part of that graphic pretty much sums it up. 0-10 vs. top 12 teams last four years SMDH. 1 top 10 finish in 9 years SMDFH.

 

[tussin]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Great ad in the Observer today. Silent majority of ND students, alumni, and fans want to make ND great again. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/firekelly?src=hash">#firekelly</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/fireswarbrick?src=hash">#fireswarbrick</a> <a href="https://t.co/1yLJPmNSkP">pic.twitter.com/1yLJPmNSkP</a></p>— Notre Dame Trump (@realNotreTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realNotreTrump/status/806494145057615872">December 7, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Damn.

 

[gkIrish]

This is the picture in that tweet.

 

[ShawneeIrish]

Really stark numbers. I know some people hate this but Jack, BoT, etc need to know how unhappy people are. The leadership seems extremely out of touch and those of us who do not want a mediocre program on and off the field need to make sure the decision makers are aware of a lot of discontent.

 

[PANDFAN]

This is the picture in that tweet.

says last 3 seasons .578

2014-8-5
2015 10-3
2016 4-8

i'm not a math wiz but doesn't that come out to around .72%


I also FORGOT Jack was driving the car that players got caught with weed and a gun....--def on him


whatever IDIOTS contributed money towards this...sure hope your happy...because this was a waste of $$$$ and a terrible job

 

[kmoose]

ALSO in Jack Swarbrick's 6 years at ND:

- Membership for Notre Dame's athletic teams (other than football and hockey) in the Atlantic Coast Conference beginning with the 2013-14 athletic seasons. In football, Notre Dame will play five games per year against ACC opponents beginning in 2014 and also have full access to the league's list of postseason bowl options. Notre Dame hockey now plays in Hockey East.

- An extension of the University's relationship with NBC Sports through the 2025 football season.

- The 2014 announcement of an unmatched 10-year relationship with Under Armour to provide performance footwear, apparel and equipment for Irish athletic programs. In addition to being a shareholder in Under Armour, Notre Dame will collaborate with Under Armour in the areas of sport technology, product development, and athlete performance.

- Creation by the Bowl Championship Series of the four-team College Football Playoff to begin with the 2014 season, with Notre Dame maintaining viable access into that system.
Swarbrick's first six years combined featured a variety of on-and off-the-field Notre Dame athletics successes:

- The best across-the-board athletic season in Notre Dame history in 2013-14 as Irish men's programs claimed the Capital One Cup and 22 of 26 sports overall advanced to postseason play, enabling Notre Dame to finish a best-ever third in the National Association of Collegiate Directors of Athletics all-sports standings.

- Number-one rankings for Notre Dame (among Football Bowl Subdivision schools) in the seven most recent NCAA Graduation Success Rate (GSR) surveys -- in 2013 at 99 for all-student-athletes. The Irish football program has ranked number one in those listings four of the last five years.

- An appearance in the Bowl Championship Series football title game following the 2012 season -- in an unprecedented year in which the Irish finished the regular season 12-0 to rank number one in the final BCS poll while also ranking number one in the GSR standings.

- NCAA championships in 2013 in men's soccer, 2011 in fencing (a men's and women's combined championship) and 2010 in women's soccer.

- NCAA runner-up team finishes in 2014, 2012 and 2011 in women's basketball, 2014 and 2010 in men's lacrosse, 2013 and 2009 in fencing and 2008 in women's soccer.

- NCAA semifinal appearances in women's basketball in 2013, men's lacrosse in 2012, hockey in 2011, women's tennis in 2009 and 2010 and women's soccer in 2009, plus 2010 and 2012 third-place fencing finishes.

- Construction of the 5,022-seat Compton Family Ice Arena that opened for the 2011-12 season and features two sheets of ice (one Olympic sized). The 2009-10 school year also featured dedications of new facilities for soccer and lacrosse -- as well as opening of the new Purcell Pavilion within the south dome of the Joyce Center.

- 193 All-America selections and 36 Academic All-America honorees over those six combined years.

But hey, yeah............ let's can the guy because what was UNIVERSALLY hailed as a great head football coach hire ended up not working out.

 

[tussin]

says last 3 seasons .578

2014-8-5
2015 10-3
2016 4-8

i'm not a math wiz but doesn't that come out to around .72%

No. 22/38 = .578

 

[koonja]

ALSO in Jack Swarbrick's 6 years at ND:

- Membership for Notre Dame's athletic teams (other than football and hockey) in the Atlantic Coast Conference beginning with the 2013-14 athletic seasons. In football, Notre Dame will play five games per year against ACC opponents beginning in 2014 and also have full access to the league's list of postseason bowl options. Notre Dame hockey now plays in Hockey East.

- An extension of the University's relationship with NBC Sports through the 2025 football season.

- The 2014 announcement of an unmatched 10-year relationship with Under Armour to provide performance footwear, apparel and equipment for Irish athletic programs. In addition to being a shareholder in Under Armour, Notre Dame will collaborate with Under Armour in the areas of sport technology, product development, and athlete performance.

- Creation by the Bowl Championship Series of the four-team College Football Playoff to begin with the 2014 season, with Notre Dame maintaining viable access into that system.
Swarbrick's first six years combined featured a variety of on-and off-the-field Notre Dame athletics successes:

- The best across-the-board athletic season in Notre Dame history in 2013-14 as Irish men's programs claimed the Capital One Cup and 22 of 26 sports overall advanced to postseason play, enabling Notre Dame to finish a best-ever third in the National Association of Collegiate Directors of Athletics all-sports standings.

- Number-one rankings for Notre Dame (among Football Bowl Subdivision schools) in the seven most recent NCAA Graduation Success Rate (GSR) surveys -- in 2013 at 99 for all-student-athletes. The Irish football program has ranked number one in those listings four of the last five years.

- An appearance in the Bowl Championship Series football title game following the 2012 season -- in an unprecedented year in which the Irish finished the regular season 12-0 to rank number one in the final BCS poll while also ranking number one in the GSR standings.

- NCAA championships in 2013 in men's soccer, 2011 in fencing (a men's and women's combined championship) and 2010 in women's soccer.

- NCAA runner-up team finishes in 2014, 2012 and 2011 in women's basketball, 2014 and 2010 in men's lacrosse, 2013 and 2009 in fencing and 2008 in women's soccer.

- NCAA semifinal appearances in women's basketball in 2013, men's lacrosse in 2012, hockey in 2011, women's tennis in 2009 and 2010 and women's soccer in 2009, plus 2010 and 2012 third-place fencing finishes.

- Construction of the 5,022-seat Compton Family Ice Arena that opened for the 2011-12 season and features two sheets of ice (one Olympic sized). The 2009-10 school year also featured dedications of new facilities for soccer and lacrosse -- as well as opening of the new Purcell Pavilion within the south dome of the Joyce Center.

- 193 All-America selections and 36 Academic All-America honorees over those six combined years.

But hey, yeah............ let's can the guy because what was UNIVERSALLY hailed as a great head football coach hire ended up not working out.

The ND AD has other obligations, but priority #1 is producing an elite football program. You do that and you're never in trouble.

 

[ScooterIrish]

says last 3 seasons .578

2014-8-5
2015 10-3
2016 4-8

i'm not a math wiz but doesn't that come out to around .72%

I think you may be reading that wrong? The .72% is the historical average.

 

[IrishLion]

I think it's a call for Jack to stand up and take action for the football program's on-field success, not to show him the door.

Jack's done awesome for the University and athletics programs, particularly for the football program in navigating the off-the-field landscape that was/is so unsettled.

But perhaps it's time he starts to feel the heat about the on-field product.

 

[tussin]

But hey, yeah............ let's can the guy because what was UNIVERSALLY hailed as a great head football coach hire ended up not working out.

Yeah, no one is ragging on JS because he hired BK...

 

[kmoose]

The ND AD has other obligations, but priority #1 is producing an elite football program. You do that and you're never in trouble.

So you are Jack Swarbrick's boss now, and set the priorities for him. Or maybe, just maybe........ he has his priorities more in line with the University's than you do?

I do agree with the sentiment that, if football is going well and other sports aren't, you are probably not on the hot seat unless the problems with those other sports are in the academic and/or legal realm.

 

[ShawneeIrish]

ALSO in Jack Swarbrick's 6 years at ND:

- Membership for Notre Dame's athletic teams (other than football and hockey) in the Atlantic Coast Conference beginning with the 2013-14 athletic seasons. In football, Notre Dame will play five games per year against ACC opponents beginning in 2014 and also have full access to the league's list of postseason bowl options. Notre Dame hockey now plays in Hockey East.

- An extension of the University's relationship with NBC Sports through the 2025 football season.

- The 2014 announcement of an unmatched 10-year relationship with Under Armour to provide performance footwear, apparel and equipment for Irish athletic programs. In addition to being a shareholder in Under Armour, Notre Dame will collaborate with Under Armour in the areas of sport technology, product development, and athlete performance.

- Creation by the Bowl Championship Series of the four-team College Football Playoff to begin with the 2014 season, with Notre Dame maintaining viable access into that system.
Swarbrick's first six years combined featured a variety of on-and off-the-field Notre Dame athletics successes:

- The best across-the-board athletic season in Notre Dame history in 2013-14 as Irish men's programs claimed the Capital One Cup and 22 of 26 sports overall advanced to postseason play, enabling Notre Dame to finish a best-ever third in the National Association of Collegiate Directors of Athletics all-sports standings.

- Number-one rankings for Notre Dame (among Football Bowl Subdivision schools) in the seven most recent NCAA Graduation Success Rate (GSR) surveys -- in 2013 at 99 for all-student-athletes. The Irish football program has ranked number one in those listings four of the last five years.

- An appearance in the Bowl Championship Series football title game following the 2012 season -- in an unprecedented year in which the Irish finished the regular season 12-0 to rank number one in the final BCS poll while also ranking number one in the GSR standings.

- NCAA championships in 2013 in men's soccer, 2011 in fencing (a men's and women's combined championship) and 2010 in women's soccer.

- NCAA runner-up team finishes in 2014, 2012 and 2011 in women's basketball, 2014 and 2010 in men's lacrosse, 2013 and 2009 in fencing and 2008 in women's soccer.

- NCAA semifinal appearances in women's basketball in 2013, men's lacrosse in 2012, hockey in 2011, women's tennis in 2009 and 2010 and women's soccer in 2009, plus 2010 and 2012 third-place fencing finishes.

- Construction of the 5,022-seat Compton Family Ice Arena that opened for the 2011-12 season and features two sheets of ice (one Olympic sized). The 2009-10 school year also featured dedications of new facilities for soccer and lacrosse -- as well as opening of the new Purcell Pavilion within the south dome of the Joyce Center.

- 193 All-America selections and 36 Academic All-America honorees over those six combined years.

But hey, yeah............ let's can the guy because what was UNIVERSALLY hailed as a great head football coach hire ended up not working out.

Valid point aside from the last sentence. I don't think any really reasonable fan would even consider replacing Jack for hiring BK. I think most would agree not a bad hire when it was made. The issues are giving BK an extension and bigger still not making a change when it is clear the program is in dire straits and most believe BK will never be the guy to right the ship. The most disturbing reports I have seen are that Jack would not support a coaching change this season because of the extension and how it would reflect on him. If Jack is indeed giving BK another season because he feels his success is tied to BK that bothers me.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

I would be pretty surprised if the decision to cut an 8 figure check to move on from Brian Kelly is within the discretion of the Athletic Director.

 

[phork]

says last 3 seasons .578

2014-8-5
2015 10-3
2016 4-8

i'm not a math wiz but doesn't that come out to around .72%

whatever IDIOTS contributed money towards this...sure hope your happy...because this was a waste of $$$$ and a terrible job

No. 22/38 = .578

Wewps.

 

[NDShark]

Wewps.

.579, technically

 

[kmoose]

Valid point aside from the last sentence. I don't think any really reasonable fan would even consider replacing Jack for hiring BK. I think most would agree not a bad hire when it was made. The issues are giving BK an extension and bigger still not making a change when it is clear the program is in dire straits and most believe BK will never be the guy to right the ship. The most disturbing reports I have seen are that Jack would not support a coaching change this season because of the extension and how it would reflect on him. If Jack is indeed giving BK another season because he feels his success is tied to BK that bothers me.

Most who? Most idiots on internet message boards? Most dumb@sses on twitter? Most journalists looking to create drama that will lead to increased readership? Where have you seen these "reports that Jack would not support a coaching change this season because of the extension and how it would look on him"? I don't doubt that any buyout is a factor in whether or not you make a change. But ND is an incredibly wealthy school. It's not that big a factor. And I seriously doubt that Swarbrick is concerned about how it would look on him. What I DON'T doubt is that bloggers and maybe even some mainstream journalists, have SPECULATED that Swarbrick might be more concerned about his own reputation than the health of the football program. But that's all this is: speculation.

 

[IrishLax]

ALSO in Jack Swarbrick's 6 years at ND:

- Membership for Notre Dame's athletic teams (other than football and hockey) in the Atlantic Coast Conference beginning with the 2013-14 athletic seasons. In football, Notre Dame will play five games per year against ACC opponents beginning in 2014 and also have full access to the league's list of postseason bowl options. Notre Dame hockey now plays in Hockey East.

- An extension of the University's relationship with NBC Sports through the 2025 football season.

- The 2014 announcement of an unmatched 10-year relationship with Under Armour to provide performance footwear, apparel and equipment for Irish athletic programs. In addition to being a shareholder in Under Armour, Notre Dame will collaborate with Under Armour in the areas of sport technology, product development, and athlete performance.

- Creation by the Bowl Championship Series of the four-team College Football Playoff to begin with the 2014 season, with Notre Dame maintaining viable access into that system.
Swarbrick's first six years combined featured a variety of on-and off-the-field Notre Dame athletics successes:

- The best across-the-board athletic season in Notre Dame history in 2013-14 as Irish men's programs claimed the Capital One Cup and 22 of 26 sports overall advanced to postseason play, enabling Notre Dame to finish a best-ever third in the National Association of Collegiate Directors of Athletics all-sports standings.

- Number-one rankings for Notre Dame (among Football Bowl Subdivision schools) in the seven most recent NCAA Graduation Success Rate (GSR) surveys -- in 2013 at 99 for all-student-athletes. The Irish football program has ranked number one in those listings four of the last five years.

- An appearance in the Bowl Championship Series football title game following the 2012 season -- in an unprecedented year in which the Irish finished the regular season 12-0 to rank number one in the final BCS poll while also ranking number one in the GSR standings.

- NCAA championships in 2013 in men's soccer, 2011 in fencing (a men's and women's combined championship) and 2010 in women's soccer.

- NCAA runner-up team finishes in 2014, 2012 and 2011 in women's basketball, 2014 and 2010 in men's lacrosse, 2013 and 2009 in fencing and 2008 in women's soccer.

- NCAA semifinal appearances in women's basketball in 2013, men's lacrosse in 2012, hockey in 2011, women's tennis in 2009 and 2010 and women's soccer in 2009, plus 2010 and 2012 third-place fencing finishes.

- Construction of the 5,022-seat Compton Family Ice Arena that opened for the 2011-12 season and features two sheets of ice (one Olympic sized). The 2009-10 school year also featured dedications of new facilities for soccer and lacrosse -- as well as opening of the new Purcell Pavilion within the south dome of the Joyce Center.

- 193 All-America selections and 36 Academic All-America honorees over those six combined years.

But hey, yeah............ let's can the guy because what was UNIVERSALLY hailed as a great head football coach hire ended up not working out.

 

[gkIrish]

For the record I don't think Jack should be fired. I think those numbers are an indictment of Kelly. Jack certainly f'ed up by not firing him this year but this particular failure does not overwhelm all the success of our athletics in general.

 

[gkIrish]

But hey, yeah............ let's can the guy because what was UNIVERSALLY hailed as a great head football coach hire ended up not working out.

I don't think the complaint is the hiring of BK. It's the extension/not firing him this year.

 

[Free Manera]

I don't think the complaint is the hiring of BK. It's the extension/not firing him this year.

The growth in other sports is undeniable. Swarbrick knows what he is doing in those aspects. However I think what ND needs is a Director of Football Operations that just handles the 800 lb gorilla that is a big time football program. Let Swarbrick worry about the country club sports and basketball and have a guy lateral to him or under him in charge of football. Football oversight is a full time job.

 

[phgreek]

The top and bottom part of that graphic pretty much sums it up. 0-10 vs. top 12 teams last four years SMDH. 1 top 10 finish in 9 years SMDFH.

Yea...I'll buy that.

I don't buy the comparison to Tyrone. The guy recruited for shit, and it was clear to everyone he was trending down rapidly without much in the cupboard. Brian Kelly has more talented classes. He has failed to deliver the Ws we'd expect, but his recruiting classes are ok.

 

[kmoose]

I don't think the complaint is the hiring of BK. It's the extension/not firing him this year.

The extension only looks bad, retroactively. The team won 10 games in the season before his extension. The floor, previous to the extension, was 8-5. On it's own, that certainly doesn't merit an extension. But we know that ND football has finished #1 in GSR in 4 of the last 5 years. Also, what we can't quantify, but Jack Swarbrick probably can, is a reasonable estimate of the fundraising that Kelly facilitates and/or accomplishes. Plus, maybe Kelly is seen as a good ambassador to the rest of the faculty? Those are all factors that Swarbrick has to take into account, that most fans get to completely ignore.

As for not firing him........... The old maxim is that you never quit a job until you have a new job to go to. Maybe Swarbrick put feelers out and got negative feedback from everyone he targeted? You can't just fire a coach without a plan. You'll end up with Gerry Faust or Gary Moeller.

 

[kmoose]

The growth in other sports is undeniable. Swarbrick knows what he is doing in those aspects. However I think what ND needs is a Director of Football Operations that just handles the 800 lb gorilla that is a big time football program. Let Swarbrick worry about the country club sports and basketball and have a guy lateral to him or under him in charge of football. Football oversight is a full time job.

I actually like this idea. But the University will never do it. Football is not bigger than life at ND. It might be to fans like us, who are passionate about it. But football will not "take over" at ND, and I think that most faculty would see this move as the beginning of placing football above the University. It may sound quaint and outdated, and maybe even naïve; but it is one of the things that most fans cherish about the University.

 

[koonja]

Shouldn't the ND way, according to its mission, be to maximize every avenue? Well football was given a huge boost in the 1900s. Don't let it die so that it doesn't excel too far, pick the rest of your ass up. They should invest in football as much as they can.

 

[NDohio]

The growth in other sports is undeniable. Swarbrick knows what he is doing in those aspects. However I think what ND needs is a Director of Football Operations that just handles the 800 lb gorilla that is a big time football program. Let Swarbrick worry about the country club sports and basketball and have a guy lateral to him or under him in charge of football. Football oversight is a full time job.

Just curious as I have no idea - how many other universities have this position? If it's not something that is done on a regular basis I can't see ND doing it. It would put the football program on a pedestal. That's not happening.

 

[BobbyMac]

The growth in other sports is undeniable. Swarbrick knows what he is doing in those aspects. However I think what ND needs is a Director of Football Operations that just handles the 800 lb gorilla that is a big time football program. Let Swarbrick worry about the country club sports and basketball and have a guy lateral to him or under him in charge of football. Football oversight is a full time job.

Well if it's under him, he's still in charge so that's just someone else on the payroll pushing paper.

If you break up the duties as you said, regardless if he were to oversee football or the rest of the sports, JS walks day one. He'd have to. Jack Swarbrick is right at the top of his profession with the likes of Tom Jurich.

The "problem" is above Swarbrick but those that create the "problems" for the football program also oversee a lot of good for the University as a whole.

 

[Blaise]

I actually like this idea. But the University will never do it. Football is not bigger than life at ND. It might be to fans like us, who are passionate about it. But football will not "take over" at ND, and I think that most faculty would see this move as the beginning of placing football above the University. It may sound quaint and outdated, and maybe even naïve; but it is one of the things that most fans cherish about the University.

Perfectly stated... Us fans want results.. We want titles and we demand perfection... We get frustrated with a terrible 4-8 season and we forget we had a 10-3 season where we almost made the playoffs even though we were one of the most injured teams in the country.

Sometimes we look in a tunnel and only see now, while the University has always maintained that they value more than just wins and losses. They won't devalue the university in order to win a couple more games and that makes me proud to be a part of that community

 

[kmoose]

Shouldn't the ND way, according to its mission, be to maximize every avenue? Well football was given a huge boost in the 1900s. Don't let it die so that it doesn't excel too far, pick the rest of your ass up. They should invest in football as much as they can.

I'm not sure what you mean by, "according to it's mission"? The words football, sports, or athletics never appear in the mission statement.

Mission
The University of Notre Dame is a Catholic academic community of higher learning, animated from its origins by the Congregation of Holy Cross. The University is dedicated to the pursuit and sharing of truth for its own sake. As a Catholic university, one of its distinctive goals is to provide a forum where, through free inquiry and open discussion, the various lines of Catholic thought may intersect with all the forms of knowledge found in the arts, sciences, professions, and every other area of human scholarship and creativity.
The intellectual interchange essential to a university requires, and is enriched by, the presence and voices of diverse scholars and students. The Catholic identity of the University depends upon, and is nurtured by, the continuing presence of a predominant number of Catholic intellectuals. This ideal has been consistently maintained by the University leadership throughout its history. What the University asks of all its scholars and students, however, is not a particular creedal affiliation, but a respect for the objectives of Notre Dame and a willingness to enter into the conversation that gives it life and character. Therefore, the University insists upon academic freedom that makes open discussion and inquiry possible.
The University prides itself on being an environment of teaching and learning that fosters the development in its students of those disciplined habits of mind, body, and spirit that characterize educated, skilled, and free human beings. In addition, the University seeks to cultivate in its students not only an appreciation for the great achievements of human beings but also a disciplined sensibility to the poverty, injustice and oppression that burden the lives of so many. The aim is to create a sense of human solidarity and concern for the common good that will bear fruit as learning becomes service to justice.
Notre Dame also has a responsibility to advance knowledge in a search for truth through original inquiry and publication. This responsibility engages the faculty and students in all areas of the University, but particularly in graduate and professional education and research. The University is committed to constructive and critical engagement with the whole of human culture.
The University encourages a way of living consonant with a Christian community and manifest in prayer, liturgy and service. Residential life endeavors to develop that sense of community and of responsibility that prepares students for subsequent leadership in building a society that is at once more human and more divine.
Notre Dame’s character as a Catholic academic community presupposes that no genuine search for the truth in the human or the cosmic order is alien to the life of faith. The University welcomes all areas of scholarly activity as consonant with its mission, subject to appropriate critical refinement. There is, however, a special obligation and opportunity, specifically as a Catholic university, to pursue the religious dimensions of all human learning. Only thus can Catholic intellectual life in all disciplines be animated and fostered and a proper community of scholarly religious discourse be established.
In all dimensions of the University, Notre Dame pursues its objectives through the formation of an authentic human community graced by the Spirit of Christ.

 

[gkIrish]

The extension only looks bad, retroactively. The team won 10 games in the season before his extension. The floor, previous to the extension, was 8-5. On it's own, that certainly doesn't merit an extension. But we know that ND football has finished #1 in GSR in 4 of the last 5 years. Also, what we can't quantify, but Jack Swarbrick probably can, is a reasonable estimate of the fundraising that Kelly facilitates and/or accomplishes. Plus, maybe Kelly is seen as a good ambassador to the rest of the faculty? Those are all factors that Swarbrick has to take into account, that most fans get to completely ignore.

As for not firing him........... The old maxim is that you never quit a job until you have a new job to go to. Maybe Swarbrick put feelers out and got negative feedback from everyone he targeted? You can't just fire a coach without a plan. You'll end up with Gerry Faust or Gary Moeller.

The extension was bad when it happened and I argued that to death. The GSR is great but I don't think Kelly deserves any unique credit for that. People also keep saying 7-5 floor but the reality is that 7-5/8-4 was the norm, not just the floor. Our two better seasons were complete outliers. The 10 win season was a result of the schedule being bad (another point I kept arguing to death that I was ridiculed for).

As for the rest of the stuff, who knows. But I am not going to keep giving Jack the benefit of the doubt going forward. Putting a great football product on the field is Jack's primary job. Another season like this and he should start packing his bags.