Who do you want to replace Brian Kelly?

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

I will bet all my vbucks that Elston is not going to be the D coordinator next year.

 

[zelezo vlk]

The defense definitely improved, but Jack has to know how tone-deaf that would be to allow Elston to be the coordinator. And it's not as if they've been lighting it up on the recruiting trails either.

 

[CIrishWin]

Kelly isn't even trying anymore. He clearly doesn't want to be here and the only person who can't see it is Swarbrick.

Agreed

 

[NDPhilly]

Kelly isn't even trying anymore. He clearly doesn't want to be here and the only person who can't see it is Swarbrick.

Yeah us internet commenters clearly know more than the man who is around him everyday.

 

[GrangerIrish24]

It's amazing the amount of anger and hatred that is being created based off speculation and possible misinformation.

 

[gkIrish]

The only way that Elston rumor could be true is if BK is a lame duck coach next year.

 

[tussin]

The only way that Elston rumor could be true is if BK is a lame duck coach next year.

What could possibly be the rationale for that? It would only result in a lost year with no recruiting momentum.

 

[Free Manera]

Yeah us internet commenters clearly know more than the man who is around him everyday.

Swarbrick has a perception problem right now. He follows Kelly around like a puppy dog. He entered the SC press conference arm in arm with Kelly, then stood off to the side nodding admiringly throughout. He gives the appearance that they are in this together, which is not comforting to fans.

 

[tussin]

Fleck has said he will not speak to anyone until after the MACCG. Purdue is supposedly ready to offer shortly after the game.

Could it be that JS is stringing Kelly along until he has the chance to talk to Fleck?

 

[gkIrish]

What could possibly be the rationale for that? It would only result in a lost year with no recruiting momentum.

The administration/Jack may not think there are any candidates worth hiring considering the buyout.

I personally don't agree but that could be the thought process.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Swarbrick has a perception problem right now. He follows Kelly around like a puppy dog. He entered the SC press conference arm in arm with Kelly, then stood off to the side nodding admiringly throughout. He gives the appearance that they are in this together, which is not comforting to fans.

Maybe they are failing at it but they are doing these things specifically to comfort fans.

 

[irishfan]

The only way that Elston rumor could be true is if BK is a lame duck coach next year.

I'm leaning towards this being the case if I had to predict what will happen. BK going into 2017 like Miles was this year for LSU. 2 losses early in the year and he's gone. I don't think "the guy" is out there this year for us, and now Swarbrick/ND can be talking to agents behind the scenes for a while in case next year disappoints.

 

[NDgradstudent]

ahhh the good 'ol days.....

http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/notre-dame-football/793-notre-dames-next-coach.html

Not landing Meyer might be the moment we look back on as the 'last chance' for ND football. Should have offered him double what Florida offered, rather than half.

 

[IrishLion]

I'm leaning towards this being the case if I had to predict what will happen. BK going into 2017 like Miles was this year for LSU. 2 losses early in the year and he's gone. I don't think "the guy" is out there this year for us, and now Swarbrick/ND can be talking to agents behind the scenes for a while in case next year disappoints.

Who is "the guy" next year, though?

The hottest name on the market got his job, and anybody else that is realistic is available right now. Waiting another year and having a lame-duck coach is putting faith in the fact that some un-missable candidate is going to pop up next season... but that would be no different than the landscape we're looking at now, so it would be a giant contradiction to wait and think some new name pops up.

The only exceptions I can think of are Mike MacIntyre taking Colorado to another 10+ win season, or an NFL coach coming available that we currently have no idea about. Otherwise, the next cycle would be the exact same as this one.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Not landing Meyer might be the moment we look back on as the 'last chance' for ND football. Should have offered him double what Florida offered, rather than half.

Yeah, they offered him a short term, low cost contract the school could eat. And right on the heels of firing a dude after 3 seasons and one BCS appearance. The ND job was never less appealing than it was that winter.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Who is "the guy" next year, though?

The hottest name on the market got his job, and anybody else that is realistic is available right now. Waiting another year and having a lame-duck coach is putting faith in the fact that some un-missable candidate is going to pop up next season... but that would be no different than the landscape we're looking at now, so it would be a giant contradiction to wait and think some new name pops up.

The only exceptions I can think of are Mike MacIntyre taking Colorado to another 10+ win season, or an NFL coach coming available that we currently have no idea about. Otherwise, the next cycle would be the exact same as this one.

Yeah, it's also incredibly frustrating because I feel like there are no satisfying outcomes from keeping Kelly now. If the team is terrible you fire him and in the mean time recruiting will continue to slide. If he's just good enough to stay (say 9 wins) then he will continue to be on the hot seat and recruiting will continue to slide for even longer. And if he does really well there's a good chance he leaves on his terms.

 

[bkess8]

Not landing Meyer might be the moment we look back on as the 'last chance' for ND football. Should have offered him double what Florida offered, rather than half.

Could we say the same by not offering Fleck the job in the future? I know he is not as accomplished but the fire and enthusiasm that he brings is unmatched.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Who is "the guy" next year, though?

The hottest name on the market got his job, and anybody else that is realistic is available right now. Waiting another year and having a lame-duck coach is putting faith in the fact that some un-missable candidate is going to pop up next season... but that would be no different than the landscape we're looking at now, so it would be a giant contradiction to wait and think some new name pops up.

The only exceptions I can think of are Mike MacIntyre taking Colorado to another 10+ win season, or an NFL coach coming available that we currently have no idea about. Otherwise, the next cycle would be the exact same as this one.

The UCF and USF coaches are both guys to keep an eye on. Wake Forest's head coach as well, heck if Derek Mason takes the next step at Vandy, keep an eye on him. The market this year has some guys with promising futures, but with very little seasoning.

 

[Rack Em]

Who is "the guy" next year, though?

The hottest name on the market got his job, and anybody else that is realistic is available right now. Waiting another year and having a lame-duck coach is putting faith in the fact that some un-missable candidate is going to pop up next season... but that would be no different than the landscape we're looking at now, so it would be a giant contradiction to wait and think some new name pops up.

The only exceptions I can think of are Mike MacIntyre taking Colorado to another 10+ win season, or an NFL coach coming available that we currently have no idea about. Otherwise, the next cycle would be the exact same as this one.

We can take the entire season to evaluate candidates, only to hire our D Line coach. That's the benefit!

 

[Free Manera]

I'm leaning towards this being the case if I had to predict what will happen. BK going into 2017 like Miles was this year for LSU. 2 losses early in the year and he's gone. I don't think "the guy" is out there this year for us, and now Swarbrick/ND can be talking to agents behind the scenes for a while in case next year disappoints.

The difference is LSU can get away with that because they have automatic top 10 recruiting classes built on in-state kids. If ND looks like shit again next year and it's obvious Kelly is out, we're going to have about 8 commits come January.

 

[NDgradstudent]

Could we say the same by not offering Fleck the job in the future? I know he is not as accomplished but the fire and enthusiasm that he brings is unmatched.

I doubt he'd be a once in a generation coach like Meyer has been, but he'd be a solid hire imo. Obviously its only in retrospect that we can make these observations. That said, with Meyer in 04, ND should have offered more $$$. If he is wary about coming to ND for whatever reason, make him more interested. That's what Michigan had to do to get Harbaugh.

 

[NDRock]

The UCF and USF coaches are both guys to keep an eye on. Wake Forest's head coach as well, heck if Derek Mason takes the next step at Vandy, keep an eye on him. The market this year has some guys with promising futures, but with very little seasoning.

True but outside of Oregon right now, there is no other competition for big time jobs. Next year could be different.

 

[PANDFAN]

The only way that Elston rumor could be true is if BK is a lame duck coach next year.

not a rumor it was just him stating that he will get a very serious look and not just a name of potential people

 

[Free Manera]

If you know you have the wrong guy for the job, you end it. Floundering for a year in the hopes that a savior falls into your lap is absurd. It's going to be the same story every year.

Hiring is never a sure thing, but you know what is a sure thing? Kelly averaging 8 wins per year with losses to every team of equal or better talent, plus a couple to teams with inferior talent.

 

[Wingman Ray]

The administration/Jack may not think there are any candidates worth hiring considering the buyout.

I personally don't agree but that could be the thought process.

Jacks sorry butt needs the walking papers for signing a new contract with a big guarantee

 

[Wingman Ray]

Not landing Meyer might be the moment we look back on as the 'last chance' for ND football. Should have offered him double what Florida offered, rather than half.

Well you know ND ideology...everyone should beat down NDs door to come here, athlete or coach...because it is ND of course!

 

[NDgradstudent]

Well you know ND ideology...everyone should beat down NDs door to come here, athlete or coach...because it is ND of course!

Obviously that is/was a stupid, pretentious attitude. I hope that is over.

 

[irishfan]

Who is "the guy" next year, though?

The hottest name on the market got his job, and anybody else that is realistic is available right now. Waiting another year and having a lame-duck coach is putting faith in the fact that some un-missable candidate is going to pop up next season... but that would be no different than the landscape we're looking at now, so it would be a giant contradiction to wait and think some new name pops up.

The only exceptions I can think of are Mike MacIntyre taking Colorado to another 10+ win season, or an NFL coach coming available that we currently have no idea about. Otherwise, the next cycle would be the exact same as this one.

If Fleck stays, he's on the Herman trajectory of getting a chance to coach a huge bowl game this year, then gets to coach against USC and Michigan State next year in September. Performing well there would probably make ND forgot about all concerns regarding him.

There are a lot of coaches (Rhule, Mullen, Narduzzi, Taggert) who can probably make leaps in the eyes of the ND brass with a big year in 2017...also easy to put out feelers to guys like Stoops, Patteron, Petersen if they stumble and are out of the playoff picture early.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Grad assistant -
Urbs - OSU - Earl Bruce
Fleck - OSU - JT

Assistant Coaching -
Urbs - WR coach - ISU, CSU, ND
Fleck - WR coach - NIU, Rutgers, Tampa Bay

Head Coach -
Urbs - 37 years old - BGSU - 8-3 / 9-3 left for Utah - BGSU 2 win team prior to Urbs
Fleck - Currently 36 years old - WMU - 1-11 / 8-5 / 8-5 / 12-0 - Lead WMU to back to back division titles, WMU had not won division title since 2000

Next head coaching spot -
Urbs - Utah
Fleck - ???

 

[NDgradstudent]

Paraphrasing what I read from Brian Driskell:

Werner reportedly hadn't heard from ND since September. That was more troubling to him & his family than the 4-8 record.

Urban & Co. rolled out the red carpet this past weekend. After telling Pete he understood why he'd want to attend ND, Meyer recounted why he chose UF over ND back in '04 & knowing what he knows now he wouldn't consider ND as a coach for a plethora of reasons.

Werner didn't plan on decommitting until Fickle did an in-home on Monday to play up the rumors & instability at ND.

This is from the Werner thread...I'm interested if Meyer said this simply as a recruiting tool or if he actually believes it. Again, it is not good when the top coaches would not consider the job (even if they were looking).