Who do you want to replace Brian Kelly?

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Cheat or Go Home: Inside the 'Dysfunctional Hell' of Becoming a CFB Coach
Cheat or Go Home: Inside the 'Dysfunctional Hell' of Becoming a CFB Coach | Bleacher Report

"Dysfunctional hell."

That's how he describes it, years later.

The coach, in his first days on the job at one of college football's most prominent programs, walked into the office of the former staff's recruiting coordinator and stared at the big board. He asked who the most important player available was, and he was pointed toward a 5-star defensive lineman who was down to three schools.

The program was struggling, falling further behind its conference rivals and bleeding relevance with each passing day. Sonofagun, he needed that kid.

Three days later, he had the recruit and his father in his office.

The father plopped down on the sofa and laid out what it would take for this thirtysomething first-time head coach to earn his son's letter of intent.

"His father told me it would take 'more than words,'" the coach remembers. "I said, 'I promise you there is nothing more valuable than my word.'

"He said to me, 'A man's word only holds as much weight as his wallet.'"

Dysfunctional hell.

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Is it possible to win in college football without cheating?

To get a sense of the landscape that programs and their potential coaches are facing, Bleacher Report posed this question to more than 30 current and former FBS head coaches—most of whom chose to remain anonymous for fear of harming their current or previous universities.

The overwhelming answer: Probably not. At least not right away.


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I know it's Bleacher Report but this is an interesting article. Nothing ground breaking but a timely perspective on the landscape of coaching in CFP today. Everyone should read.

Doesn't this reality limit who wants to coach at ND? Charlie Strong does it the right way, is a good coach, but gets fired within 3 years.
 
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No, but I do wanna look at this sweet mullet:

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All he's missing is a Sox visor, a Disco Demolition T-shirt and an IROC-Z.

Zing!
 

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How I feel on IE right now

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The students were yelling fire Kelly at the basketball game...an indication that people are waking up.

Welp...

You'd know better than I what the typical ND student is like....

But that is at least an upgrade from pelting the team with snowballs.

I'd simply tell them careful what you wish for...

If he bails on his own...that would leave the program flat footed.

Not getting fired this off-season, so only thing that can happen is he bails...
 
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BK needs to be out with the commits, but he is in SB. Just crazy. He has lost his fire for the job. Time for him to go. We need some energy around the program. BK is an energy sucker.
 

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This is a very hard decision that could have big ramifications either way. I think you have to keep Kelly another year at least, especially with a buyout looming if you let him go. Even more so you have to look at the college football landscape and realistically contemplate who you're going to get to come to South Bend. You're not going to get the super hot coach like Herman. Fleck might happen, but that's a bit of a gamble still if you ask me. Don't even bother nominating any coach at a Power 5 school that is doing well right now, there's almost 0 chance they're going to leave that scenario unless it's a smaller program...and some of those guys, like Whittingham and Petersen, seem like regional guys that like where they're at.
 

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This is a very hard decision that could have big ramifications either way. I think you have to keep Kelly another year at least, especially with a buyout looming if you let him go. Even more so you have to look at the college football landscape and realistically contemplate who you're going to get to come to South Bend. You're not going to get the super hot coach like Herman. Fleck might happen, but that's a bit of a gamble still if you ask me. Don't even bother nominating any coach at a Power 5 school that is doing well right now, there's almost 0 chance they're going to leave that scenario unless it's a smaller program...and some of those guys, like Whittingham and Petersen, seem like regional guys that like where they're at.

Its not a hard decision. Kelly isn't getting it done, in year 7. Time to go.

So... No Power5 coaches are coming. But lets bypass a guy who has a team that was 1-11 just a few years ago and on the verge of a big NewYears game, best recruiting class ever at the school and undefeated...? Oh and lets stagnate another year with the current coach who, by some accounts, has lost this team, has flirted continually with other jobs, including our biggest rival, etc?

I just don't understand the logic. If Kelly and ND don't part ways this year, it will happen next year. I believe that he has brought this program as far as it can go under his leadership. We have all waited this long for a turn around but all we get in year 7, SEVEN YEARS, is 4-8. Most coaches get a maximum of 5 years to rebuild, and thats stretching it. If you aren't rolling in 3 years then you are on the hot seat.

At this point all we have is time.
 

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Its not a hard decision. Kelly isn't getting it done, in year 7. Time to go.

So... No Power5 coaches are coming. But lets bypass a guy who has a team that was 1-11 just a few years ago and on the verge of a big NewYears game, best recruiting class ever at the school and undefeated...? Oh and lets stagnate another year with the current coach who, by some accounts, has lost this team, has flirted continually with other jobs, including our biggest rival, etc?

I just don't understand the logic. If Kelly and ND don't part ways this year, it will happen next year. I believe that he has brought this program as far as it can go under his leadership. We have all waited this long for a turn around but all we get in year 7, SEVEN YEARS, is 4-8. Most coaches get a maximum of 5 years to rebuild, and thats stretching it. If you aren't rolling in 3 years then you are on the hot seat.

At this point all we have is time.

I don't think anyone is arguing that Kelly is definitely the long term answer. It's not that people are pining for him to stay, it's just that the timing isn't right to get rid of him. It's like when you crack the screen on your ipad. Your immediate reaction is to want to go buy a new ipad, but you know they are coming out with a new model in a few months. It would be a waste to go purchase the same ipad you just cracked at full price when you know that if you can make due with the cracked tablet for a few months you can actually upgrade what you had.

There just aren't any clearly better options out there this cycle. Hold off, reduce the size of Kelly's buyout, hold this recruiting class together, and have all your ducks in a row next season when you're ready to make a change.
 

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I don't think anyone is arguing that Kelly is definitely the long term answer. It's not that people are pining for him to stay, it's just that the timing isn't right to get rid of him. It's like when you crack the screen on your ipad. Your immediate reaction is to want to go buy a new ipad, but you know they are coming out with a new model in a few months. It would be a waste to go purchase the same ipad you just cracked at full price when you know that if you can make due with the cracked tablet for a few months you can actually upgrade what you had.

There just aren't any clearly better options out there this cycle. Hold off, reduce the size of Kelly's buyout, hold this recruiting class together, and have all your ducks in a row next season when you're ready to make a change.

Lets be honest, the buyout is not an issue. Again I would ask, in any sort of time frame, name me 5 "big time" coaching names that would come to ND and put in the work.
 

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Lets be honest, the buyout is not an issue. Again I would ask, in any sort of time frame, name me 5 "big time" coaching names that would come to ND and put in the work.

Agree, buyout isn't an issues.

Reported that the Herman hiring is costing $19M in buyouts and that doesn't include Herman's new salary.
 

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Then next we'll have to wait because recruiting is so great and canidates are weak again. Give him one more year, 2018 will be better collection of coaches. it never is a great time to fire a coach.

Look at pro ranks for a new coach, Bill O'Brien . There are good choices out there.
 

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I don't think anyone is arguing that Kelly is definitely the long term answer. It's not that people are pining for him to stay, it's just that the timing isn't right to get rid of him. It's like when you crack the screen on your ipad. Your immediate reaction is to want to go buy a new ipad, but you know they are coming out with a new model in a few months. It would be a waste to go purchase the same ipad you just cracked at full price when you know that if you can make due with the cracked tablet for a few months you can actually upgrade what you had.

There just aren't any clearly better options out there this cycle. Hold off, reduce the size of Kelly's buyout, hold this recruiting class together, and have all your ducks in a row next season when you're ready to make a change.

This is the least competitive year for a head coaching search I can remember. If we can't get a quality HC in this environment, there is no chance we'll ever get one.

You can't just throw away 2 years of recruiting.
 

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I never really understood the fascination with media types who focus on buy-out numbers. I suppose it gives them an opportunity for some final "digs" on a failing program, but who really cares? The university wouldn't do it if they couldn't afford it and no one truly knows how much booster support is behind it.


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I never really understood the fascination with media types who focus on buy-out numbers. I suppose it gives them an opportunity for some final "digs" on a failing program, but who really cares? The university wouldn't do it if they couldn't afford it and no one truly knows how much booster support is behind it.


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It does show how crazy the world of CFB has become. Millionaires are willing to pay millions to get rid of someone, when that money could be donated to charity, a foundation or the school.
 

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It does show how crazy the world of CFB has become. Millionaires are willing to pay millions to get rid of someone, when that money could be donated to charity, a foundation or the school.

Agree 100%

And all it takes is a couple players acting like complete selfish idiots to wreck it.
 

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BK hanging out in South Bend is kind of an interesting note, I guess?
 
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