Who do you want to replace Brian Kelly?

[TheRealLynch51]

If you believe this guy, I don't know what to tell you.

Hence my disclaimer at the top of my post saying I didn't.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Footballscoop.com reporting Oregon is not likely to make a move if Herman is going to Texas. They will wait another year since the buyout is so much.

 

[ThePiombino]

Footballscoop.com reporting Oregon is not likely to make a move if Herman is going to Texas. They will wait another year since the buyout is so much.

Sounds familiar...

 

[BobbyMac]

To reiterate something from earlier, I think people will be shocked at the caliber of coaches who will be interested in opening. I basically consider PJ Fleck the WORST we could do... and I'd be VERY happy with him.

Everyone says "oh, that person will NEVER be interested..." or "who can Notre Dame get that is better?" Post-Weis hiring is completely different than pre-Weis hiring. Trust me on this. There is no way we'd be left with some rube when the music stops as long as we're willing to pay the $$$ (which, by all accounts, we are).

EVERY coach in the country thinks about ND when it comes open.

Success at Texas, SC, Ohio St, Michigan and Alabama only get you so far in the pecking order that will become the history of college football. You want to put the eternal stamp on it? You get a bronze statue at Notre Dame with Rockne, Leahy, Parseghian, Devine & Holtz... and best yet, you do it in an era when they say it couldn't be done again. Meyer and Saban are the great ones, the two that have egos to know they would win at ND. It obviously helps that they are a couple of Catholic boys from Ohio/WV and old enough to have witnesed the Ara/Devine/Lou era.
It would never surprise me if they wanted to coach ND for those reasons. It would surprise me if ND allowed them to but the day will come when ND will have to put its money where its mouth or join U of Chicago and Wash U in the Ivy West.

I wonder if Finebaum would say "Notre Dame sold it's soul for having to pay Saban $12M per to take the job." ?

 

[greyhammer90]

To reiterate something from earlier, I think people will be shocked at the caliber of coaches who will be interested in opening. I basically consider PJ Fleck the WORST we could do... and I'd be VERY happy with him.

Everyone says "oh, that person will NEVER be interested..." or "who can Notre Dame get that is better?" Post-Weis hiring is completely different than pre-Weis hiring. Trust me on this. There is no way we'd be left with some rube when the music stops as long as we're willing to pay the $$$ (which, by all accounts, we are).

I mean I'm genuinely interested in who you guys have in mind. I keep hearing that we would have high caliber coaches interested but my issue is that I can't figure out who it would be. In my mind there are around 5-ish coaches that I would make a move on if I could. 3 of those are likely tied up with other bluebloods that at the very least have as much money and prestige as ND. Even if you think ND is a top 5 job, you can't deny that OSU, Texas and Alabama are top 5 jobs as well. So I'm assuming that's not going to happen. The other two are in the pros with jobs in the middle of the season. They could be fired and look to coach in college, but it's just as likely that they don't.

I'm not disagreeing about ND's pedigree or money, but I guess I just don't think there are that many premium coaches out there. The only one that is available to be scooped up is Herman. The unfortunate thing is that Herman currently lives in Texas and Texas also has an opening. Even assuming we move hard on him and offer to pay him as much as Texas (likely a dangerous proposition) we would have a 50/50 shot at him.

TL;DR: Even assuming ND has the money and prestige to play with the big boys, who in the hell are we going to hire that isn't already tied up with an organization of similar prestige and wealth?

 

[kmoose]

No, he literally ran the option at Hawaii.

Gotcha! Brain fart. Never occurred to me that you were talking about his playing days.

 

[scUM Hater]

Get me Charlie Strong for D-coordinator

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

He does. My assumption is he'll be coming here to serve as Urban's DC, with Mullen serving as OC. That's how this is done, right?

"It" moved.

 

[mango4]

Sounds like Fleck to Purdue.


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[Black Irish]

Get me Charlie Strong for D-coordinator

Nah, he'll do a flip-flop with Herman and be the new Houston HC. That'll show 'em.

Seriously though, the ISD guys made a good point on the podcast that even though Notre Dame needs a strong DC, it's not as easy as just hiring a guy. The new DC has to be a fit with Kelly, and there's the possibility that the new DC will want to bring in his own people to be position coaches. So Jack S and Kelly are faced with the prospect of telling 3-4 assistant coaches that they're out of a job? And then Kelly is surrounded by strangers on the defensive side of the ball. Yeah, I know, business is business and changes need to happen, but that's a big shake up to make and will eat up lots of Kelly's time when he needs to be out on the recruiting trail as soon as the season ends. We'll see.

 

[ThePiombino]

Sounds like Fleck to Purdue.


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Where are you seeing this?

 

[stlnd01]

Sounds like Fleck to Purdue.


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If that's for real than either Jack has a secret ace up his sleeve or BK's indeed sticking and shopping for a defensive coordinator.

 

[mango4]

Where are you seeing this?

https://twitter.com/bkravitz/status/802543604237500416



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[ThePiombino]

If that's for real than either Jack has a secret ace up his sleeve or BK's indeed sticking and shopping for a defensive coordinator.

Huh? Fleck is NOT coming here. Never was. This has no bearing on Jack's intentions with BK.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

I have no doubt in my mind Saban and Meyer's ears perk up when they hear Notre Dame. I would be very very surprised to see Saban come, he's getting old now isn't he? Meyer I'd be less surprised. He's not exactly old, and I can't imagine him staying at tOSU until he retires(for good this time). Hasn't he referred to ND as his dream job?

Crazy that the three biggest names in coaching are all Roman Catholic and ND can't snag any of them.

Saban makes $7 mill per year (boosters pay for his house) and has a dynasty in Bama. His next career move will be going to TV.

Meyer makes $6 mill per year, recruits whoever he wants, and can compete for titles every year.

 

[ulukinatme]

People still talking about Saban and Urban here? Look at where Herman is likely going to end up, some of us called that one months ago. Ya'll need to aim a bit lower.

 

[stlnd01]

Huh? Fleck is NOT coming here. Never was. This has no bearing on Jack's intentions with BK.

Well, half the board has been ready to anoint the guy all week. I'm not, but with Fleck and Herman off the board there aren't a lot of other obvious candidates for our job. Hence the "secret ace," or nothing.

 

[ThePiombino]

Well, half the board has been ready to anoint the guy all week. I'm not, but with Fleck and Herman off the board there aren't a lot of other obvious candidates for our job. Hence the "secret ace," or nothing.

I dunno, according to LAX there are a # of impressive candidates who would take the job if offered and Fleck would have been at the bottom of that list. So who knows...

 

[stlnd01]

Saban makes $7 mill per year and has a dynasty in Bama. His next career move will be going to TV.

Meyer makes $6 mill per year, recruits whoever he wants, and can compete for titles every year.

I really doubt it's about the money for either of them. Though I'd also think both are very long shots, Saban eternally long.

 

[irishff1014]

If that's for real than either Jack has a secret ace up his sleeve or BK's indeed sticking and shopping for a defensive coordinator.

No it's Kelly isn't leaving and wasn't leaving. Not hard to understand.

 

[NorthDakota]

Saban makes $7 mill per year (boosters pay for his house) and has a dynasty in Bama. His next career move will be going to TV.

Meyer makes $6 mill per year, recruits whoever he wants, and can compete for titles every year.

ND can match that money. Regardless, those guys are worried about legacy more than $$$$

 

[ThePiombino]

ND can match that money. Regardless, those guys are worried about legacy more than $$$$

ND won't match that money and neither of these guys have to worry about legacy at this point. Neither has anything to prove.

 

[Kingbish01]

Unless we get Urban Meyer, I'm happy to keep BK as long as he gets a stud DC (Charlie Strong included). ND with a stout defense is a playoff caliber team year in and year out.

 

[Wild Bill]

Unless we get Urban Meyer, I'm happy to keep BK as long as he gets a stud DC (Charlie Strong included). ND with a stout defense is a playoff caliber team year in and year out.

I've never been a fire Kelly guy until this year. I just don't see how anyone can watch this team and think we're one hire away from being a contender with Kelly on the sidelines. It's abundantly clear a change should be made, imo.

 

[stlnd01]

I've never been a fire Kelly guy until this year. I just don't see how anyone can watch this team and think we're one hire away from being a contender with Kelly on the sidelines. It's abundantly clear a change should be made, imo.

Serious question: Why? We were a contender literally one year ago, with him on the sidelines. This year we had a young team with a bad fit at DC and got off to a bad start we could never quite pull ourselves out of. All of that is very fixable.
At this point I'm not opposed to making a change. I think Kelly may be burned out on the job. But I also think he can turn it around. Especially with a few changes to the coaching staff. We should have a high bar for replacing him.

 

[Kingbish01]

I've never been a fire Kelly guy until this year. I just don't see how anyone can watch this team and think we're one hire away from being a contender with Kelly on the sidelines. It's abundantly clear a change should be made, imo.

Ya, maybe after this year. But in years past, it's always been a def issue. Those losses to ASU, NW, even Stanford last year have always been on the defense. I get BK coming off like an 8 -5 guy, but you link him up with a top flight DC he immediately turns into a 10-2 guy IMO

 

[ThePiombino]

Serious question: Why? We were a contender literally one year ago, with him on the sidelines. This year we had a young team with a bad fit at DC and got off to a bad start we could never quite pull ourselves out of. All of that is very fixable.
At this point I'm not opposed to making a change. I think Kelly may be burned out on the job. But I also think he can turn it around. Especially with a few changes to the coaching staff. We should have a high bar for replacing him.

I don't think many (logical) people would argue that ND could be very good with BK at the helm and a solid DC. I THINK a major complaint is that BK's unwillingness to change what obviously needed to be changed over the years has created irreparable damage, nor has it instilled any confidence that he can change.

 

[GATTACA!]

I don't think many (logical) people would argue that ND could be very good with BK at the helm and a solid DC. I THINK a major complaint is that BK's unwillingness to change what obviously needed to be changed over the years has created irreparable damage, nor has it instilled any confidence that he can change.

I think many keep Kelly people would agree with this. The problem isn't that people think Kelly is perfect, it's that they think he's pretty darn good. Good enough that only a handful of coaches would be an actual upgrade over Kelly even with his warts. I will agree with the keep Kelly people that that small handful of coaches certainly doesn't include guys like Dan Mullen or Bret Bielima smh.

 

[gkIrish]

We need to make a move this year. We literally have the #1 potential open job in the country now that Herman is going to Texas. Who knows what will happen next year? Maybe Stoops retires or moves on. Saban may retire. Jimbo may move on from FSU. We risk taking a back seat to 3-4 other programs. Herman is gone but now we have our pick of the entire country.

As someone said, Fleck is the worst we could do. Maybe Urban does want to go for a third title at a different school (especially if OSU loses today). Schiano would be a quality upgrade. If Colorado wins the Pac-12 I would seriously consider Macyntire. Etc. Etc. We need a fresh start next year.

 

[irishff1014]

Serious question: Why? We were a contender literally one year ago, with him on the sidelines. This year we had a young team with a bad fit at DC and got off to a bad start we could never quite pull ourselves out of. All of that is very fixable.
At this point I'm not opposed to making a change. I think Kelly may be burned out on the job. But I also think he can turn it around. Especially with a few changes to the coaching staff. We should have a high bar for replacing him.

If we had a different D.C. We would have won at least 3 more games. But I think Booker needs to go. I also think we need some adjustments the S&C program.