Who do you want to replace Brian Kelly?

[Meatloaf]

Make the call, Jack.

It moved.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Les can cobble a defense together, that's for sure.

 

[Free Manera]

Les can cobble a defense together, that's for sure.

Everyone keeps saying this, and I get it. It makes sense on the face, because LSU's defenses were always so good under him. But he is not and has never been a defense coach. His resume lists tight ends coach, O line coach, O coordinator, and head coach. He was never a defensive coach and I don't think he was ever in charge of the D at LSU. Plus he could throw a stone from his office and hit three 6'4 240 edge rushers that are frothing at the mouth to play at LSU.

 

[NDohio]

Everyone keeps saying this, and I get it. It makes sense on the face, because LSU's defenses were always so good under him. But he is not and has never been a defense coach. His resume lists tight ends coach, O line coach, O coordinator, and head coach. He was never a defensive coach and I don't think he was ever in charge of the D at LSU. Plus he could throw a stone from his office and hit three 6'4 240 edge rushers that are frothing at the mouth to play at LSU.

Yes, LSU has had great defenses because Les would recruit great defensive players and then get out of the way and let the defensive coaches do their thing.

 

[NDgradstudent]

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We're always mentioned in that group, the group of failures, disasters, incompetents, etc. In light of this, how can Kelly be allowed to continue? This season is already a dumpster fire and it will continue to spread. The program is becoming an embarrassment to the university.

 

[IrishBroker]

Yes, LSU has had great defenses because Les would recruit great defensive players and then get out of the way and let the defensive coaches do their thing.

It's not just that, his guys on D play with a ferocity. One of the most intense defenses in the country...and it's been that way for years.

Miles is not only great recruiter, the players love him and he can get them going.

 

[BGIF]

Frank Leahy.

Do you think he'll stay with the Notre Dame Box or move to that new fangled T-Formation?

 

[ND NYC]

Les Miles aint coming to ND, can we stop with all this silly talk?

 

[IrishBroker]

Les Miles aint coming to ND, can we stop with all this silly talk?

And it's because he can't recruit here like he did there.

He'll be at another SEC school soon. I could see him at Ole Miss if they implode

 

[calvegas04]

And it's because he can't recruit here like he did there.

He'll be at another SEC school soon. I could see him at Ole Miss if they implode

he is going to wait around for 2 or 3 years and hope Ole Miss implodes??

 

[Wild Bill]

wrong thread

 

[IrishBroker]

he is going to wait around for 2 or 3 years and hope Ole Miss implodes??

Gonna implode this year. 4-5 loss team this year

 

[calvegas04]

Gonna implode this year. 4-5 loss team this year

The team that took bama down to the wire and smoked Georgia 45 - 14?

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Aranda named associate HC by Ed O.

Does his contract have a buyout? When people drop his name, what avenue do they see in which he comes to SB?

 

[IrishBroker]

The team that took bama down to the wire and smoked Georgia 45 - 14?

They'll lose to A&M and MISS St (Rivalry game, nothing to lose for MSU). And probably drop one more. Arkansas has beat them 2 straight years...

 

[Irish Canuck]

Tom Herman is not coming to ND.

He literally can recruit better (defensive) athletes than we can get... out of his backyard. Look at the roster and where the players are from:
Houston Cougars 2016 Team Player Roster - College Football - ESPN.

He has little to no academic restrictions. He takes Jucos en masse.

I love ND... but let's be honest about the situation... You'd have to be a gluten for punishment to come to ND. The recruiting is hard as hell. The academic standards are challenging. The academic load is challenging. The microscope is ridiculous. The pressure is relentless. The alumni are demanding.

The fan base is finicky at best.

And the media waits... drooling for ND to fall on its face at ever turn.

I understand the prestige of coaching at ND is enticing.... but you're constantly compared to a history that can't be repeated.

Any smart person chooses another destination easily.
Urban Meyer is a perfect example.

I have my problems with BK. But I'd be weary of him getting canned. It will be tough to replace him even as bad as things are currently.

Additionally, I'll bet you BK will drop some interesting revelations about how tough it is at ND if/when he's finally let go. His ego is too big to be fired without pointing fingers... and I think he's had to bite his tongue a number of times about the BS he's had to endure (academics, alumni, etc). His words will be warning shots fired at anyone even thinking about taking the job... mark my words.

Tom Herman has it better than 99% of programs out there.

He's going to be a statue at Houston one day.

He knows he can win multiple National Championships there. Especially after they get accepted into the Big 12.

 

[CIrishWin]

BK isnt going anywhere.

As for DC, who I want is:
1) Aranda
2) Derek Mason
3) Bo Pelini

Who ND is going to get is:
CHUCK MARTIN.

That is my prediction.

Yep that is BK's MO

 

[ScooterIrish]

Tom Herman is not coming to ND.

He literally can recruit better (defensive) athletes than we can get... out of his backyard. Look at the roster and where the players are from:
Houston Cougars 2016 Team Player Roster - College Football - ESPN.

He has little to no academic restrictions. He takes Jucos en masse.

I love ND... but let's be honest about the situation... You'd have to be a gluten for punishment to come to ND. The recruiting is hard as hell. The academic standards are challenging. The academic load is challenging. The microscope is ridiculous. The pressure is relentless. The alumni are demanding.

The fan base is finicky at best.

And the media waits... drooling for ND to fall on its face at ever turn.

I understand the prestige of coaching at ND is enticing.... but you're constantly compared to a history that can't be repeated.

Any smart person chooses another destination easily.
Urban Meyer is a perfect example.

I have my problems with BK. But I'd be weary of him getting canned. It will be tough to replace him even as bad as things are currently.

Additionally, I'll bet you BK will drop some interesting revelations about how tough it is at ND if/when he's finally let go. His ego is too big to be fired without pointing fingers... and I think he's had to bite his tongue a number of times about the BS he's had to endure (academics, alumni, etc). His words will be warning shots fired at anyone even thinking about taking the job... mark my words.

Tom Herman has it better than 99% of programs out there.

He's going to be a statue at Houston one day.

He knows he can win multiple National Championships there. Especially after they get accepted into the Big 12.

Oh good lord this hot taek is awful. Pure garbage.

 

[SavIrish]

Tom Herman is not coming to ND.

He literally can recruit better (defensive) athletes than we can get... out of his backyard. Look at the roster and where the players are from:
Houston Cougars 2016 Team Player Roster - College Football - ESPN.

He has little to no academic restrictions. He takes Jucos en masse.

I love ND... but let's be honest about the situation... You'd have to be a gluten for punishment to come to ND. The recruiting is hard as hell. The academic standards are challenging. The academic load is challenging. The microscope is ridiculous. The pressure is relentless. The alumni are demanding.

The fan base is finicky at best.

And the media waits... drooling for ND to fall on its face at ever turn.

I understand the prestige of coaching at ND is enticing.... but you're constantly compared to a history that can't be repeated.

Any smart person chooses another destination easily.
Urban Meyer is a perfect example.

I have my problems with BK. But I'd be weary of him getting canned. It will be tough to replace him even as bad as things are currently.

Additionally, I'll bet you BK will drop some interesting revelations about how tough it is at ND if/when he's finally let go. His ego is too big to be fired without pointing fingers... and I think he's had to bite his tongue a number of times about the BS he's had to endure (academics, alumni, etc). His words will be warning shots fired at anyone even thinking about taking the job... mark my words.

Tom Herman has it better than 99% of programs out there.

He's going to be a statue at Houston one day.

He knows he can win multiple National Championships there. Especially after they get accepted into the Big 12.

Man - if everybody thought like you did then we wouldn't be able to field a team more less find a good coach. The challenge is what makes it great and winning at ND is bigger than winning anywhere else. Its hard and if your successful -l extremely rewarding. The Legacy of having your name mentioned with the icons of college football history is what ND can give you if you can handle all that you stated

 

[IrishBroker]

Tom Herman is not coming to ND.

He literally can recruit better (defensive) athletes than we can get... out of his backyard. Look at the roster and where the players are from:
Houston Cougars 2016 Team Player Roster - College Football - ESPN.

He has little to no academic restrictions. He takes Jucos en masse.

I love ND... but let's be honest about the situation... You'd have to be a gluten for punishment to come to ND. The recruiting is hard as hell. The academic standards are challenging. The academic load is challenging. The microscope is ridiculous. The pressure is relentless. The alumni are demanding.

The fan base is finicky at best.

And the media waits... drooling for ND to fall on its face at ever turn.

I understand the prestige of coaching at ND is enticing.... but you're constantly compared to a history that can't be repeated.

Any smart person chooses another destination easily.
Urban Meyer is a perfect example.

I have my problems with BK. But I'd be weary of him getting canned. It will be tough to replace him even as bad as things are currently.

Additionally, I'll bet you BK will drop some interesting revelations about how tough it is at ND if/when he's finally let go. His ego is too big to be fired without pointing fingers... and I think he's had to bite his tongue a number of times about the BS he's had to endure (academics, alumni, etc). His words will be warning shots fired at anyone even thinking about taking the job... mark my words.

Tom Herman has it better than 99% of programs out there.

He's going to be a statue at Houston one day.

He knows he can win multiple National Championships there. Especially after they get accepted into the Big 12.

And that statue will be vandalized within the week, probably a few bullet holes as well. That campus is smack dab in the middle of a terrible part of town.

Herman leaves UofH after next year, if he doesn't this year. The only reason he's around is because of the two year bonus structure. He's lasted this long simply because they threw a bunch of money at him, not because he wants to build a winner here.

He's been very coy about his commitment to this program down here. He's a "I'm concentrating on UofH right now" kinda guy.

And the Big 12 isn't taking them, at least anytime soon. Not gonna happen as nobody else wants them in conference (and it's not all about football), and the fact that the fanbase sucks. 30-35k at home games. And OU had 60%of NRG stadium IN HOUSTON for the opening game.

Houston is not a marquee program, and probably never will be. I"ve lived here my whole life. Maybe if they keep up the success they'll get into the Big12 down the road, but they have a ways to go.

 

[Irish#1]

Yes, LSU has had great defenses because Les would recruit great defensive players and then get out of the way and let the defensive coaches do their thing.

That's what BK did with BVG and look what happened! lol

No latest "hot coach of the week" flavor. Easy to build a program quickly when you can bring in Juco's.

No coach from the MAC or similar conference.

Someone with a proven track record who can bring a solid staff he has worked with so there is no learning curve.

Tressel would fit that bill. Shaw would (unrealistic). Rockne, Leahy and Ara would be perfect, but none has the energy anymore.

 

[IrishLax]

It's kind of funny to me to see people think that Notre Dame can't get a good coach. Kelly was THE hot coach leading a top 5, undefeated team in what was still considered a "BCS conference" and took the ND job.

No, ND can't go out and poach Nick Saban or something like that. But Notre Dame absolutely can get somebody who is potentially elite. The idea that most coaches want to stay at some place like Houston or wherever because of "ease" or "comfort" is wrong, and has been proven wrong repeatedly over time. Why did Nick Saban leave MSU for LSU? Why did he leave LSU for the pros?

Notre Dame is going to pay more money than just about 10 schools right now. Money matters, and exposure also matters. The only things that are prohibitive are 1) weather/location 2) national recruiting (but no more so than any other Big Ten job besides Ohio State) 3) high expectations leading to volatility. The idea that coaches are afraid of recruiting with ND's "academic restrictions" is a lie. They polled a bunch of coaches recently about which jobs were the most desirable, and depending on who was sampled and the methodology Notre Dame is no worse than the 10th most desirable and to others it is flat out the #1 most desirable gig.

ND might not get Peterson, Patterson, or Herman. ND might not be desirable to 9 out of the top 10 coaches. But there are about 20 guys right now that seem rather obvious upgrades over Kelly and it's basically a guarantee that we'd get one of them.

 

[greyhammer90]

But there are about 20 guys right now that seem rather obvious upgrades over Kelly and it's basically a guarantee that we'd get one of them.

Not arguing with you but who are these guys if not Herman, Patterson, or Peterson?

 

[ND NYC]

too much conflating of "replacing Kelly" vs "replacing BVG" in this thread.

2 entirely different animals

 

[IrishLax]

Aranda named associate HC by Ed O.

Does his contract have a buyout? When people drop his name, what avenue do they see in which he comes to SB?

It all fully depends on their new coach. Let's say they get Jimbo Fisher or Tom Herman... they're probably bringing their DC. If that's the case, he's going to be on the open market.

Like I said before there are only a handful of schools that 1) will pay $1.2/mil for a DC 2) have an opening right now... it's very realistic we could get Aranda, Pelini, Mason.

 

[greyhammer90]

too much conflating of "replacing Kelly" vs "replacing BVG" in this thread.

2 entirely different animals

I agree with this. Wouldn't mind the BVG conversation staying in the BVG fired thread and this being the Kelly replacement discussion.

 

[irishff1014]

It's kind of funny to me to see people think that Notre Dame can't get a good coach. Kelly was THE hot coach leading a top 5, undefeated team in what was still considered a "BCS conference" and took the ND job.

No, ND can't go out and poach Nick Saban or something like that. But Notre Dame absolutely can get somebody who is potentially elite. The idea that most coaches want to stay at some place like Houston or wherever because of "ease" or "comfort" is wrong, and has been proven wrong repeatedly over time. Why did Nick Saban leave MSU for LSU? Why did he leave LSU for the pros?

Notre Dame is going to pay more money than just about 10 schools right now. Money matters, and exposure also matters. The only things that are prohibitive are 1) weather/location 2) national recruiting (but no more so than any other Big Ten job besides Ohio State) 3) high expectations leading to volatility. The idea that coaches are afraid of recruiting with ND's "academic restrictions" is a lie. They polled a bunch of coaches recently about which jobs were the most desirable, and depending on who was sampled and the methodology Notre Dame is no worse than the 10th most desirable and to others it is flat out the #1 most desirable gig.

ND might not get Peterson, Patterson, or Herman. ND might not be desirable to 9 out of the top 10 coaches. But there are about 20 guys right now that seem rather obvious upgrades over Kelly and it's basically a guarantee that we'd get one of them.

And this team has talent on it. Most year a very good schedule and pretty much your own channel. Plus Kelly has been given some things he asked for so why can't a new get them?

This brings another point Kelly is getting things he asked for so its fair to hold him accountable for his side of the deal.WIN

 

[IrishLax]

And this team has talent on it. Most year a very good schedule and pretty much your own channel. Plus Kelly has been given some things he asked for so why can't a new get them?

This brings another point Kelly is getting things he asked for so its fair to hold him accountable for his side of the deal.WIN

Right, so any spread coach looks at this team with Wimbush waiting in the wings, tons of talent on the OL, a stable of RBs, and tons of depth at WR AND $6mil/year to coach on the biggest stage and it's attractive.

Our biggest issue is stupid scheduling which is going to cause coaches to doubt how much they can win early in their tenure.

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

Until Notre Dame lightens up on their academic policies and test scores to get into Notre Dame it will be hard to compete with the Ohio States and Alabamas every year.

 

[Meatloaf]

Until Notre Dame lightens up on their academic policies and test scores to get into Notre Dame it will be hard to compete with the Ohio States and Alabamas every year.

There are about 120-something other schools that can't compete with Bama and OSU that have lower admissions standards than ND. If competing with those teams every year is your goal you're going to be dissapointed because pretty much nobody in cfb can compete EVERY year with those teams.