USC & UCLA to the Big Ten

[BobbyMac]

Absolutely, but I don’t see the SEC being out done on the money front, they’ll find a way to take the lead for the sake of doing so. If the only proven team to compete and win at the highest level (disregarding Michigans lone appearance last year) decided they no longer wanted to be there, and money wasn’t an option does that change ND’s stance? Assuming they’re working out the details to join.

Seems to me that the Big 10 currently is only slightly ahead of the ACC in terms of competition. Sure with the addition of USC, and I guess UCLA, with the possibility of ND it changes quite a bit.

They can't compete in a full on arms race with the B1G and the big AAU schools they bring into the B1Gger.

They can't compete off the field, it's not close.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

what’s the significance of AAU. Don’t think I fully understand it and certainly why it would exclude certain other schools

 

[ndfi78]

what’s the significance of AAU. Don’t think I fully understand it and certainly why it would exclude certain other schools

By the Numbers | Association of American Universities (AAU)

AAU universities provide excellent value to their students, perform the bulk of federally funded research, and produce countless new businesses & startups.

www.aau.edu

 

[stlnd01]

what’s the significance of AAU. Don’t think I fully understand it and certainly why it would exclude certain other schools

It’s a consortium of top-tier research universities and has always been seen as a sort of requirement for admissions to the Big Ten (every Big Ten school, I believe, is an AAU member except for Nebraska, which maybe used to be?) Member schools tend to draw a lot of federal research dollars and have big high-level grad programs, particularly in the sciences.

Notre Dame is not an AAU school - probably largely bc it doesn’t have a med school - but is A: Notre Dame and B: A prestigious enough undergrad school that they’ll overlook that. But the thinking is the Big Ten Powers That Be may not as forgiving for, say, Baylor or Miami or Va. Tech. But who knows any more.

 

[NorthDakota]

It’s a consortium of top-tier research universities and has always been seen as a sort of requirement for admissions to the Big Ten (every Big Ten school, I believe, is an AAU member except for Nebraska, which maybe used to be?) Member schools tend to draw a lot of federal research dollars and have big high-level grad programs, particularly in the sciences.

Notre Dame is not an AAU school - probably largely bc it doesn’t have a med school - but is A: Notre Dame and B: A prestigious enough undergrad school that they’ll overlook that. But the thinking is the Big Ten Powers That Be may not as forgiving for, say, Baylor or Miami or Va. Tech. But who knows any more.

Nebraska used to be a member until AAU changed how they counted agricultural research.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Nebraska used to be a member until AAU changed how they counted agricultural research.

I thought it was that they stopped counting off campus university hospitals as research spending?

EDIT: It looks like Nebraska was actually voted out by the other members based on the AAU’s score system recommendation:

First, the University of Nebraska’s medical school is at its Omaha campus, not the flagship campus in Lincoln. So, any federal research dollar, premier faculty member and publication in a prestigious journal from the medical school couldn’t be counted toward Nebraska’s AAU status.

Second, the university focuses heavily on agriculture research, a priority for a land grant institution. But in the eyes of the AAU, most agricultural research is not peer-reviewed, competitive research, so it is “not considered as highly,” AAU spokesman Barry Toiv said, compared with medical and economic research.

 

[Dale]

Big 12 reportedly meeting with Arizona, ASU, Utah and Colorado. Seems like as realignments go one of the more natural fits.

 

[BilboBaggins]

Big 12 reportedly meeting with Arizona, ASU, Utah and Colorado. Seems like as realignments go one of the more natural fits.

If I was the Big 12 I would add Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, and Colorado and then sit tight to see what the Big Ten and SEC do to the Pac-12 remnants and ACC. **IF** twenty teams is the logical maximum (nine conference games), then there is room for three premier conferences.

The SEC, with 16 teams, only has room for four additions. They can't take all of Clemson, Florida State, North Carolina, Duke, Miami, Virginia Tech, Louisville, etc.

If the Big Ten doesn't take Oregon and Washington, add them to the Big 12. Consider Cal at that time. If the Big Ten does take Oregon and Washington, a greater chunk of the ACC is available.

Let's assume the Big Ten takes Oregon and Washington, and the SEC takes North Carolina/Duke/Florida State/Clemson. You could see this Big 12:

Arizona
Arizona State
Baylor
Central Florida
Cincinnati
Colorado
Houston
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Louisville
Miami
Oklahoma State
TCU
Texas Tech
Utah
Virginia Tech
Virginia
West Virginia

...this conference isn't bad enough to be completely written off.

 

[Dale]

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Big 12 is the biggest conference. SEC and B1G will stop when then quality drops off. Big 12 will be the volume conference. Lot of basketball schools like Arizona will please the winter ratings for ESPN.

 

[IrishLax]

PAC12 rn

 

[CoachB]

That would be a really good basketball league.

 

[Irish#1]

If I was the Big 12 I would add Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, and Colorado and then sit tight to see what the Big Ten and SEC do to the Pac-12 remnants and ACC. **IF** twenty teams is the logical maximum (nine conference games), then there is room for three premier conferences.

The SEC, with 16 teams, only has room for four additions. They can't take all of Clemson, Florida State, North Carolina, Duke, Miami, Virginia Tech, Louisville, etc.

If the Big Ten doesn't take Oregon and Washington, add them to the Big 12. Consider Cal at that time. If the Big Ten does take Oregon and Washington, a greater chunk of the ACC is available.

Let's assume the Big Ten takes Oregon and Washington, and the SEC takes North Carolina/Duke/Florida State/Clemson. You could see this Big 12:

Arizona
Arizona State
Baylor
Central Florida
Cincinnati
Colorado
Houston
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Louisville
Miami
Oklahoma State
TCU
Texas Tech
Utah
Virginia Tech
Virginia
West Virginia

...this conference isn't bad enough to be completely written off.

Not sure the B1G will take Oregon and Washington. Article in The Athletic mentioned those two approached the B1G, not the other way around. Any evaluation will take a little time to quantify. On the surface USC & UCLA seemed to happen quickly, but they have been discussing for quite a while and were prepared to take a vote as soon as the B1G agreed they would be a good addition. The B1G and UCLA & USC just did a very good job of keeping this quiet.

 

[NDty9]

It just occurred to me, with USC joining the Big 10 soon… they will be inevitably playing cold weather games regularly … does that mean we can now call them on their bullshit of refusing to play in south bend later than mid October ???? Start scheduling them in late November instead ???

Sorry if this has been mentioned already

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

It just occurred to me, with USC joining the Big 10 soon… they will be inevitably playing cold weather games regularly … does that mean we can now call them on their bullshit of refusing to play in south bend later than mid October ???? Start scheduling them in late November instead ???

Sorry if this has been mentioned already

I was talking to my buddy who is a scUM fan about this, I told him I'm jealous they get to play the Trojans in a potential November game; he said he didn't even realize that it was a thing that we can't play USC/Stanford later than mid-October.

We've been soft on those two programs for a long time agreeing to that format of October in SB, late November in California. This gives a bargaining chip we need to get them to schedule whenever.

I want to see Lincoln Riley and his boys shivering cold just like FSU in 2020.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

It just occurred to me, with USC joining the Big 10 soon… they will be inevitably playing cold weather games regularly … does that mean we can now call them on their bullshit of refusing to play in south bend later than mid October ???? Start scheduling them in late November instead ???

Sorry if this has been mentioned already

Yeah, that shit needs to stop now.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

It just occurred to me, with USC joining the Big 10 soon… they will be inevitably playing cold weather games regularly … does that mean we can now call them on their bullshit of refusing to play in south bend later than mid October ???? Start scheduling them in late November instead ???

Sorry if this has been mentioned already

If I remember correctly (and I'm sure someone will advise if not), this goes back to Rockne days where both head coaches wives would want a vacation. Hence why we go to USC so late in the year and why USC comes to ND so early in the year.

 

[NDty9]

If I remember correctly (and I'm sure someone will advise if not), this goes back to Rockne days where both head coaches wives would want a vacation. Hence why we go to USC so late in the year and why USC comes to ND so early in the year.

Ya, well the vacations over , condoms !!! Pack your long Johns, and come get your ass whooped out here in November !

 

[Irish#1]

If I remember correctly (and I'm sure someone will advise if not), this goes back to Rockne days where both head coaches wives would want a vacation. Hence why we go to USC so late in the year and why USC comes to ND so early in the year.

You remember correctly.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

You remember correctly.

 

[Blazers46]

Big 12 in deep discussions to add up to six Pac-12 teams after USC, UCLA defections to Big Ten

The Big 12 is aiming to maintain its positioning as a power conference while expanding its footprint to a key market

www.cbssports.com

Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado and Utah were mentioned specifically as the teams being targeted by the Big 12, sources tell CBS Sports. There is also consideration of adding Oregon and Washington to make the Big 12 an 18-team league, the largest in the FBS.

 

[Dale]

A Big 12 with no clear top dog, no Texas, and Colorado back? Can the B1G return Nebraska back?

 

[notredomer23]

Big 12 in deep discussions to add up to six Pac-12 teams after USC, UCLA defections to Big Ten

The Big 12 is aiming to maintain its positioning as a power conference while expanding its footprint to a key market

www.cbssports.com

This tells me Stanford to the BIG is a lock.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

A Big 12 with no clear top dog, no Texas, and Colorado back? Can the B1G return Nebraska back?

Nebraska fans would probably vote in favor of it.

 

[stlnd01]

A Big 12 with no clear top dog, no Texas, and Colorado back? Can the B1G return Nebraska back?

18 teams, zero blue bloods or national draws. How many of those teams have ever won a national championship? Colorado in 1990. I guess Washington in '91 if they don't land in the Big Ten. Anyone else?

 

[Irish#1]

This tells me Stanford to the BIG is a lock.

The Big 12 may have a realistic outlook and know their best position is to take schools that fit closer to their model and won't be enticed to join another conference.

 

[Trojan Princess]

Also say what you will but the big 10 getting USC was such an impressive move, they know ND or USC never want to lose that rivalry

Doesn’t matter if ND remains independent, or joins the BIG. The rivalry is strong from our side.

 

[Irishnuke]

This fucking clown. California governor Gavin Newsom demands UCLA explain how leaving Pac-12 for Big Ten is beneficial

 

[irishff1014]

Newsome is a fucking idiot. But he is a California liberal and that’s expected.

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

This fucking clown. California governor Gavin Newsom demands UCLA explain how leaving Pac-12 for Big Ten is beneficial

If I were the governor of California, I would be pretty pissed too. This helps UCLA, but hurts the rest of the UC system, as well as just college athletics in the state in general.

That said, he is swimming against the current of a river that is much bigger than his ability to handle. He seemingly doesn't really have anything he can actually do to change this, and, even if he could, it is likely too late for the rest of the state anyway. If he wants to secure the athletics future for the rest of the state, he needs to help in securing the future of the Pac-12 through expansion or other means of revenue generation.

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

Newsome is a fucking idiot. But he is a California liberal and that’s expected.

Man, you just insulted a lot of the ND student body.