USC & UCLA to the Big Ten

[rikkitikki08]

What would be the power ranking of schools ND would want to bring along?

Most Strategic: Washington, Clemson, FSU, Miami, Oregon(?)

Rival-ish: BC, Navy, Stanford, Miami, Pitt

Overlap there is Miami, and they also happen to be a pretty good school academically.

I believe ND would want Stanford coming in with them. Navy might be one of those conditions where ND says we don’t care if they are in the conference but we have to play them every year regardless. I’m guessing ND has agreed to the deal, they’re just working out the details since the big 10 won’t say no to almost any of the demands

 

[Dale]

What would be the power ranking of schools ND would want to bring along?

Most Strategic: Washington, Clemson, FSU, Miami, Oregon(?)

Rival-ish: BC, Navy, Stanford, Miami, Pitt

Overlap there is Miami, and they also happen to be a pretty good school academically.

I still think ND will vouch for Stanford but really I think Washington is the answer on paper. Adding Stanford to a national conference threatens ND on the recruiting trail as the national + academic pitch. Adding Oregon is adding a straight NIL football factory. Washington is almost like a Tier B version that at their peak can sell parts of what Oregon or Stanford can but not nearly as well + has the Seattle market. Washington is rather clean fit for the B1G.

 

[Irish#1]

Once a southern mega conference is formed, those major southern teams won’t need the exposure and income of playing ND, we will be stuck playing group of 5 teams twice a year. That’s probably not the exposure that moves the needle for ND. It’d be cool to be in the Big 10 from a scheduling perspective, I just think that there is very little growth potential there — as a truly national brand we can play in any conference we want, I see more potential in the south. Just my two cents . . .

Disagree. ND is a huge draw for everyone. The exposure, hype and generated income will always be there.

 

[Huntr]

Stanford, Washington and Oregon are AAU members. They would go in around when/if ND does, I'd expect. That would give the conference a 5 team west coast pod that can put on some games for their non-FB teams with less travel.

Maybe there's another round of expansion later when the ACC schools get their GoR figured out and the B1G gets UNC/UVA/Duke/GaTech.

 

[yankeehater]

I thought ND was obligated via contract to join the ACC for football if they decided to join a conference? Is that deal sunsetting?

Yes, ESPN reported last night that if ND joins any conference other than the ACC the penalty is $150 mil. They did not say the length of this contract.

 

[Dale]

Stanford, Washington and Oregon are AAU members.

So are Cal, Colorado, Arizona and Utah.

 

[rikkitikki08]

Yes, ESPN reported last night that if ND joins any conference other than the ACC the penalty is $150 mil. They did not say the length of this contract.

I could see the big 10 helping pay that penalty

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

I could see the big 10 helping pay that penalty

I also believe Fox would pay at least half. That would be a rounding error for them over the course of a contract.

 

[yankeehater]

Everyone in the Big will have the national footprint now. I wonder how that will affect recruiting?

It could help SC and UCLA on a national recruiting scale, but in turn affect them negatively in-state if the Big Ten doesn't add more teams in Cali and the West Coast (I think they will add teams out here). A lot of kids want their families to be able to watch them play in person and don't have the means to fly all over the country to do it. A car ride to Arizona and Nor Cal was possible.

 

[Huntr]

So are Cal, Colorado, Arizona and Utah.

So is Tufts.

 

[stlnd01]

So is Tufts.

You mean perennial D-3 mens soccer powerhouse Tufts.

 

[BobbyMac]

What would be the power ranking of schools ND would want to bring along?

Most Strategic: Washington, Clemson, FSU, Miami, Oregon(?)

Rival-ish: BC, Navy, Stanford, Miami, Pitt

Overlap there is Miami, and they also happen to be a pretty good school academically.

Clemson, FSU & Miami are non-starters. They are not AAU members and that will still drive this round of the B1G's move to a 32 team Super Alliance. WA & OR.

Going after Georgia Tech and Florida right now would be the best thing the B1G could do. They will both end up on the B1G payroll unless the non-NCAA entity happens sooner rather than later.

My guess is, the B1G shows CFB how well the LA teams worked and then go full on for the 32 team death punch soon after.

 

[GATTACA!]

Pacific	USC	UCLA	Washington	Stanford
Great Plains	OSU	Indiana	Purdue	Minnesota
Great Lakes	ND	MSU	Michigan	Wisconsin
New England	PSU	Maryland	Rutgers	Boston College
Frontier	Iowa	Nebraska	Illinois	Northwestern

 

[Topper34]

If our bargaining power today is higher than it ever will be, then it makes sense to join a conference. Everything is trending in that direction - as much as I don't want it to.

It seems like the most desperate party right now is Oregon. B1G doesn't want them unless ND is coming too. B1G also may be reluctant to cut ND a special deal giving them a bigger slice of the pie, which is understandable. If I'm Swarbrick, I'm on the phone with Phil Knight saying I want you to give ND the largest apparel deal in history with Nike, and in return we can help you get into the B1G.

Seems like a win-win while our bargaining power is high. I just don't see B1G or SEC making crazy concessions unique for ND to get us to join a conference.

 

[Henges24]

You mean perennial D-3 mens soccer powerhouse Tufts.

My sister in law coached there.

 

[Topper34]

I still think ND will vouch for Stanford but really I think Washington is the answer on paper. Adding Stanford to a national conference threatens ND on the recruiting trail as the national + academic pitch. Adding Oregon is adding a straight NIL football factory. Washington is almost like a Tier B version that at their peak can sell parts of what Oregon or Stanford can but not nearly as well + has the Seattle market. Washington is rather clean fit for the B1G.

Personally I would like to see Stanford NOT be invited to the B1G. Sure they are a football rival, but we compete with them from an academic, student, leading university standpoint and anything that helps us but doesn't help them is good for our overall standing.

More important that playing stanford is playing one game in California each year. UCLA gives that to you.

 

[BobbyMac]

So are Cal, Colorado, Arizona and Utah.

They'll all be in the Super B1G someday.

Pacific	USC	UCLA	Washington	Stanford
Great Plains	OSU	Indiana	Purdue	Minnesota
Great Lakes	ND	MSU	Michigan	Wisconsin
New England	PSU	Maryland	Rutgers	Boston College
Frontier	Iowa	Nebraska	Illinois	Northwestern

BC will never get an AAU exemption like ND. Now if BU had a football program...

UNC, UVa, Duke, Vandy, Pitt, GT, Florida those are your choices east of Mizzou.

 

[317Irish]

Stanford, Washington and Oregon are AAU members. They would go in around when/if ND does, I'd expect. That would give the conference a 5 team west coast pod that can put on some games for their non-FB teams with less travel.

Maybe there's another round of expansion later when the ACC schools get their GoR figured out and the B1G gets UNC/UVA/Duke/GaTech.

Kinda feels like it’s just be an ongoing round of expansion as other schools see how the dominoes are falling and don’t want to get left behind.

 

[Dale]

More important that playing stanford is playing one game in California each year. UCLA gives that to you.

It gives ND the chance to playing in Cali every year but not everyone in the B1G. IMO Stanford and Cal may be someone inevitable at some point so everyone gets a semi annual at least slice of that Cali living.

 

[POTUS2017]

If our bargaining power today is higher than it ever will be, then it makes sense to join a conference. Everything is trending in that direction - as much as I don't want it to.

It seems like the most desperate party right now is Oregon. B1G doesn't want them unless ND is coming too. B1G also may be reluctant to cut ND a special deal giving them a bigger slice of the pie, which is understandable. If I'm Swarbrick, I'm on the phone with Phil Knight saying I want you to give ND the largest apparel deal in history with Nike, and in return we can help you get into the B1G.

Seems like a win-win while our bargaining power is high. I just don't see B1G or SEC making crazy concessions unique for ND to get us to join a conference.

Omg that would be amazing. Getting Nike and BIG in one swoop?!? SIGN ME UP!!!

 

[Rack Em]

I hate all of this.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

They'll all be in the Super B1G someday.


BC will never get an AAU exemption like ND. Now if BU had a football program...

UNC, UVa, Duke, Vandy, Pitt, GT, Florida those are your choices east of Mizzou.

Outside of the PAC and the ACC I figure they would also want a Texas school though which one is harder to say.

 

[Topper34]

It gives ND the chance to playing in Cali every year but not everyone in the B1G. IMO Stanford and Cal may be someone inevitable at some point so everyone gets a semi annual at least slice of that Cali living.

Teams are going to be added because they bring money to the current partners of the conference. Nobody is going to add Stanford/Cal so that they can play one game in California per year. That is foolish reasoning.

 

[Dale]

Teams are going to be added because they bring money to the current partners of the conference. Nobody is going to add Stanford/Cal so that they can play one game in California per year. That is foolish reasoning.

True. It’s not as if that’s Stanford’s only benefit though. It’s an additional benefit. All these schools besides USC have benefits and drawbacks.

 

[IrishLax]

Washington, Oregon, North Carolina, Boston College, Miami… those are the kinds of teams that might bring value to the Big Ten in further expansion because of media markets.

Stanford does literally nothing for the Big Ten except add some academic prestige.

I tend to agree that they eventually end as a true “super conference” sports conglomerate that is nationwide… likely at 20ish teams… but I’m not sure that happens in the near term here. I think that’s more long term expansion. I would expect them to look to add 1-2 teams (including Notre Dame) before this upcoming media rights negotiation if and only if they will drive up the $$ number. ND will clearly do that.

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

Washington, Oregon, North Carolina, Boston College, Miami… those are the kinds of teams that might bring value to the Big Ten in further expansion because of media markets.

Stanford does literally nothing for the Big Ten except add some academic prestige.

I tend to agree that they eventually end as a true “super conference” sports conglomerate that is nationwide… likely at 20ish teams… but I’m not sure that happens in the near term here. I think that’s more long term expansion. I would expect them to look to add 1-2 teams (including Notre Dame) before this upcoming media rights negotiation if and only if they will drive up the $$ number. ND will clearly do that.

I don't think this deal is because of media markets. Its about viewers, especially for the (relatively) lower tier programs that might get put on a streaming service. And Stanford weirdly actually does have a decent viewership number.

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

If our bargaining power today is higher than it ever will be, then it makes sense to join a conference. Everything is trending in that direction - as much as I don't want it to.

It seems like the most desperate party right now is Oregon. B1G doesn't want them unless ND is coming too. B1G also may be reluctant to cut ND a special deal giving them a bigger slice of the pie, which is understandable. If I'm Swarbrick, I'm on the phone with Phil Knight saying I want you to give ND the largest apparel deal in history with Nike, and in return we can help you get into the B1G.

Seems like a win-win while our bargaining power is high. I just don't see B1G or SEC making crazy concessions unique for ND to get us to join a conference.

So one of the twitter accounts that correctly called the USC (and I think UCLA part too) to the Big Ten and claims sources is saying Phil Knight might pay ND's exit fee/grant of rights in exchange for getting Oregon into the Big Ten with us.

 

[ACamp1900]

fa

I hate all of this.

I hate the BIG, I hate Nike, I don’t even know what our division will look like and I already hate it’s guts,…

 

[Topper34]

Washington, Oregon, North Carolina, Boston College, Miami… those are the kinds of teams that might bring value to the Big Ten in further expansion because of media markets.

Stanford does literally nothing for the Big Ten except add some academic prestige.

I tend to agree that they eventually end as a true “super conference” sports conglomerate that is nationwide… likely at 20ish teams… but I’m not sure that happens in the near term here. I think that’s more long term expansion. I would expect them to look to add 1-2 teams (including Notre Dame) before this upcoming media rights negotiation if and only if they will drive up the $$ number. ND will clearly do that.

100% agree with the emphasis on markets and viewership

I don't think this deal is because of media markets. Its about viewers, especially for the (relatively) lower tier programs that might get put on a streaming service. And Stanford weirdly actually does have a decent viewership number.

Where are you getting these numbers? Stanford is pretty consistently in the bottom half of PAC-12 viewership from everything I've seen

 

[tussin]

Washington, Oregon, North Carolina, Boston College, Miami… those are the kinds of teams that might bring value to the Big Ten in further expansion because of media markets.

Stanford does literally nothing for the Big Ten except add some academic prestige.

I tend to agree that they eventually end as a true “super conference” sports conglomerate that is nationwide… likely at 20ish teams… but I’m not sure that happens in the near term here. I think that’s more long term expansion. I would expect them to look to add 1-2 teams (including Notre Dame) before this upcoming media rights negotiation if and only if they will drive up the $$ number. ND will clearly do that.

Do media markets even matter or is it just strength of brands? Outside of ND, I think Miami and Washington are the schools that bring the most value to B1G from a viewership perspective.

What about Duke basketball? Are all CBB programs a non-factor?