USC recruiting and everything else

[Me2SouthBend]

LA Times had an article today on the SC transfer/scholarship situation. With all the recent transfers and additions (EE's and Shaw from Florida), SC currently has 67 scholarship players and that includes Armond still being counted. The article states, "If the Trojans sign 15 players next month, Kiffin and his staff will have more shuffling to do before training camp opens in August." When Kiffin was asked to explain this he said, "We have a very specific plan in place about how we're going to go about this," and he declined to discuss the details.

I believe we all know that plan. Good luck to the kids that end up being kicked to the curb.

Not only will they not be on scholarship any longer, but they have to sit out a year. There is no regard being shown for these kids. It's disturbing to think of how the NCAA has set up the rules and to see U$C taking advantage of them.

 

[phork]

I can't believe Pat Haden is allowing Kiffin to thumb his nose at the spirit of the sanctions. I mean they did do things wrong ergo they should be punished. They, as an institution, are passing the sting of the sanctions on to the injured and the guys who haven't had or can't make game impact. To me this is as criminal and disturbing as the original reasons for the sanctions. We often complain about the behavior of some kids but the truth is the adults are even more to blame. They are the "adults" and they set the example. Why are we surprised when these kids get in trouble?

It is being allowed because it is perfectly legal to do.

 

[Redbar]

It is being allowed because it is perfectly legal to do.

What is legal is not always ethical. If adults don't teach kids ethics they will behave unethically as well, and that is frequently illegal. Which brings me to my final point- Why are we surprised when these kids get in trouble?

 

[phork]

What is legal is not always ethical. If adults don't teach kids ethics they will behave unethically as well, and that is frequently illegal. Which brings me to my final point- Why are we surprised when these kids get in trouble?

Know the law, and play with in it. In the corporate world its all about the details in a contract. Don't read everything? Sucks to be you. That is why business employs lawyers out the ***.

 

[Rocky2820]

Asking because I'm curious and obviously I don't know the answer: When schools do not renew a player's scholarship after 1, 2, or 3 years, how does the departure of said player impact the school's graduation rate?

 

[CincyDamer]

While I certainly wish the best for these kids.... Hopefully they did their homework and saw this was a possibility. Parents should be all over. It's fairly well known this happens at sec and football factory schools. Simply another plug for making a 40 yr decision vs an " in the moment" one

 

[Redbar]

Know the law, and play with in it. In the corporate world its all about the details in a contract. Don't read everything? Sucks to be you. That is why business employs lawyers out the ***.

You are proving my point for me, look at how ethically businesses behaved and look at the mess created. Mostly lawful but frequently unethical. Sounds to me like an excuse to shirk the responsibility to do what is right, and yes if that is the way everyone behaves it will "suck to be you". As the owner of two businesses and employer of 54 employees and yes a host of attorneys and lobbyist I do appreciate the lesson on contracts and life in the corporate world though.

 

[phork]

You are proving my point for me, look at how ethically businesses behaved and look at the mess created. Mostly lawful but frequently unethical. Sounds to me like an excuse to shirk the responsibility to do what is right, and yes if that is the way everyone behaves it will "suck to be you". As the owner of two businesses and employer of 54 employees and yes a host of attorneys and lobbyist I do appreciate the lesson on contracts and life in the corporate world though.

Ethical or non-ethical really matters not. The companies job, in most cases, is to create value for the shareholder.

 

[NDinL.A.]

It looks like USC had a great recruiting weekend. Their players (Robert Woods was one of them)threw a huge party that I'm sure the recruits loved. Probably got a nice RB out of AZ to commit (unconfirmed but it looks good for them), plus they had some other heralded recruits (including Peat) that are reportedly loving their visits.

Oh, and the players' place where they threw the party is nicknamed "The Palace". Hmmmmm.....

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Quote:
Originally Posted by phork
Know the law, and play with in it. In the corporate world its all about the details in a contract. Don't read everything? Sucks to be you. That is why business employs lawyers out the ***.

You are proving my point for me, look at how ethically businesses behaved and look at the mess created. Mostly lawful but frequently unethical. Sounds to me like an excuse to shirk the responsibility to do what is right, and yes if that is the way everyone behaves it will "suck to be you". As the owner of two businesses and employer of 54 employees and yes a host of attorneys and lobbyist I do appreciate the lesson on contracts and life in the corporate world though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redbar
You are proving my point for me, look at how ethically businesses behaved and look at the mess created. Mostly lawful but frequently unethical. Sounds to me like an excuse to shirk the responsibility to do what is right, and yes if that is the way everyone behaves it will "suck to be you". As the owner of two businesses and employer of 54 employees and yes a host of attorneys and lobbyist I do appreciate the lesson on contracts and life in the corporate world though.

Ethical or non-ethical really matters not. The companies job, in most cases, is to create value for the shareholder.

Interesting conversation.

I pretty much read through what was said, and see this as pretty similar to a cultural dynamic we have going on today. Redbar is making the point that the bar needs to be set higher than the mere legal requirements for a multitude of reasons; phork states that following the minimal legal aspects are good enough for everyone. In society some forward thinkers see how that contributes to the social ills. Others, deaf to the call push the minimum legal limits and lick their chops at the profits to be boosted.

It is interesting how many have moved to the side of the greater social obligation including the Pope and the American Conference of Bishops. (These guys dominate the Fortune 1.)

Applying it all to college football recruiting, that is why all the officials at Notre Dame say what they say, and act the way that they do. For example: Jack Swarbrick's interview where he stated that college football needs Notre Dame.

This is why I love Notre Dame when I can hardly stomach what football at other colleges and in NFL, has become. It will be interesting to see if ND can build a successful program that meets a higher ethical standard. It may take a little longer, and there may be a few bumps in the road, I am praying that the IRISH are successful. I am sure this is why recruting is so stressfull for Irish fans!

 

[phork]

Whoa there fella. I didn't say it was good for or even anyone should subscribe to it. But being in a corporate setting everything you are taught is to make sure you cover the companies *** by covering yours first. When that fails do not feel like company will not cut you loose and hang you out to dry.

This is the social ill of our day, since corporations are treated as real people, yet have no accountability. Frankly all those jerkwads at Enron and down the line to the BigBanks should have been lined up in front of a firing squad and executed. Yet here we are, gladly handing over money hand over fist while these turds continue to get bonuses.

Meh, I am side tracking. Point is I do not support minimal ethics.

 

[Redbar]

Quote:


Interesting conversation.

I pretty much read through what was said, and see this as pretty similar to a cultural dynamic we have going on today. Redbar is making the point that the bar needs to be set higher than the mere legal requirements for a multitude of reasons; phork states that following the minimal legal aspects are good enough for everyone. In society some forward thinkers see how that contributes to the social ills. Others, deaf to the call push the minimum legal limits and lick their chops at the profits to be boosted.

It is interesting how many have moved to the side of the greater social obligation including the Pope and the American Conference of Bishops. (These guys dominate the Fortune 1.)

Applying it all to college football recruiting, that is why all the officials at Notre Dame say what they say, and act the way that they do. For example: Jack Swarbrick's interview where he stated that college football needs Notre Dame.

This is why I love Notre Dame when I can hardly stomach what football at other colleges and in NFL, has become. It will be interesting to see if ND can build a successful program that meets a higher ethical standard. It may take a little longer, and there may be a few bumps in the road, I am praying that the IRISH are successful. I am sure this is why recruting is so stressfull for Irish fans!

+1000

I have argued this dynamic with some friends and family that are big LSU fans and I see college football as a microcosm of the larger corporate culture. If adults that teach and coach kids at a UNIVERSITY can't be held to a higher standard in their dealings with pre/young adults, then there is no hope in the larger "corporate" world as Phork has described, and as I have stated throughout these posts, "Why are we surprised when they screw up or Enron or banks or Madoff," and as Phork has pointed out, "it sucks to be us."

I agree with you and Mr. Swarbrick college football needs Notre Dame and society needs Notre Dame men. Go Irish!

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Didn't know where to stick it so this looked like a good enough spot.

Tee Martin, former Tennessee QB and UK WR coach is the new WR coach at USC.

UK assistant coach taking job with Southern Cal

 

[PANDFAN]

Didn't know where to stick it so this looked like a good enough spot.

Tee Martin, former Tennessee QB and UK WR coach is the new WR coach at USC.

UK assistant coach taking job with Southern Cal

unfortunately this is a good hire for them....everything i have read in regards to him is that he is a Very good recruiter so just one more to add to their staff

 

[Irishnuke]

As if SC needed any more help recruiting. Good hire for the bad guys.

 

[Rizzophil]

I keep going back to how athletic USC's wide receiver's are. On paper, it might be the most elite I have ever seen in college.

 

[Irishnuke]

I keep going back to how athletic USC's wide receiver's are. On paper, it might be the most elite I have ever seen in college.

I can't really argue against this. Pretty sick. Hopefully there will be a big dropoff in production once Barkley leaves.

 

[PANDFAN]

here is another scholly

here is another scholly

USC's Simione Vehikite leaves teamEmailPrintComments173By Pedro Moura
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Archive USC fullback/linebacker Simione Vehikite has left the Trojans and is no longer part of the football program, a school spokesperson confirmed to ESPNLosAngeles.com Monday.


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He is still enrolled in school at USC and is attending classes in the spring semester.


Vehikite, a fourth-year junior, was due to compete this spring with redshirt freshman Soma Vainuku for the starting fullback spot vacated by Rhett Ellison's departure to the NFL. Since arriving at USC in 2009, Vehikite spent time at both fullback and linebacker but didn't start a game, logging most of his time on special teams.


A Hawaii native, Vehikite was suspended indefinitely in the 2010 season for unspecified reasons and missed almost a month. He was also sidelined for a significant portion of the 2011 season due to lingering neck pain.


Vehikite's departure brings USC's current scholarship count down to 76, counting the 2012 signees due to get to school in the summer. NCAA sanctions mandate that the Trojans stay under 75 this season, so at least one more player must be cut or lose his scholarship by August.


Vehikite is one of six scholarship players with eligibility remaining to leave the Trojans this offseason. Left tackle Matt Kalil and defensive end Nick Perry departed for the NFL; defensive lineman Armond Armstead and cornerbacks T.J. Bryant and Patrick Hall are also out of the program.


USC coach Lane Kiffin, who could not be reached for comment on Vehikite's departure, said last month there was a possibility Hall could return at a later time.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

@JHopkins247: RT @Scott_Schrader: I'm hearing #USC got another commitment today, possible late 2012 addition


...........vomit.

/board meltdown

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Those Reggie Bush sanctions are really kicking their a$$es, no? lol

 

[IrishLax]

@JHopkins247: RT @Scott_Schrader: I'm hearing #USC got another commitment today, possible late 2012 addition


...........vomit.

See, this is just a joke. They get "late" 2012 commits despite being at the max of 75 scholarships right now. That means either Tee Shephard or a JUCO... but it just shouldn't even be possible.

PS. Can a mod move the stuff from Justin Davis' thread over here?

 

[Emcee77]

It's almost like the sanctions help them in recruiting, as if the recruits want less competition for playing time.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Well I know Tee had been trying to get cleared there for weeks but with the other visits I thought it might be dead in the water.

Now this...

 

[Rhode Irish]

Before we begin with the hysterics, does anyone want to take a shot at explaining how, from a technical standpoint, USC can add a 2012 player if they are at the schollie limit imposed by the sanctions? Not looking for a trite or sarcastic answer, just interested in the mechanics of it if anyone knows. Does it necessarily mean not renewing the scholarship of a player on the current roster?

 

[me9rob]

Well I know Tee had been trying to get cleared there for weeks but with the other visits I thought it might be dead in the water.

Now this...

It's not Tee. Some other DB, but not him

 

[ThePiombino]

It's not Tee. Some other DB, but not him

yet

 

[NDinL.A.]

The kid is an unrated LB out of Irvine CA who had one offer from UC Davis as of January. He then sent out his senior tape and got some more offers after NSD from some pretty decent schools like UCLA and Minnesota. His signing is like us getting Joe Schmidt last year, accept we didn't have to use a scholly on him. Surprised USC is using a scholly on him actually.

Before we begin with the hysterics, does anyone want to take a shot at explaining how, from a technical standpoint, USC can add a 2012 player if they are at the schollie limit imposed by the sanctions? Not looking for a trite or sarcastic answer, just interested in the mechanics of it if anyone knows. Does it necessarily mean not renewing the scholarship of a player on the current roster?

They can have 85 right now without a problem. It's only the fall roster that can only have 75. So they have plenty of time to cut players to get down to that number.

And as in all years with USC (and all other big programs not named ND, Stanford, Northwestern, Duke, Vandy and a few select others), who knows if all their recruits will be cleared by the NCAA. The lost at least one last year and had to wait until the very end wih a couple of others (Tpwnsend Jr. comes to mind). Their star safety (Juco kid) that LAX was referring to in another thread was supposed to be an EE but he didn't come close to qualifying for that, and he still has work to do just to get into USC.

So bottom line...I have no doubts that USC will get to that 75 even if they do add a player or 3 in the next few months.

 

[clashmore_mike]

Kiffy said tonight that there will be no tackling in their spring game.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Kiffy said tonight that there will be no tackling in their spring game.

LA you will have to let us know how that goes.

Josh Shaw got a waiver to play this year so they can't bitch about Amir anymore.

 

[IrishLax]

LA you will have to let us know how that goes.

Josh Shaw got a waiver to play this year so they can't bitch about Amir anymore.

LMFAO how is that possible!!!!!!!!!! His whole rationale was sickness in the family YET HE MOVED AWAY FROM THEIR FAMILY!!!!!