USC recruiting and everything else

[Bogtrotter07]

Other than the fact that Tony Alford is a fine man, and a decent human being, and Ed Ogeron's best feature is his utility in being able to work flexibly with bag men and athletes alike.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

From Scott Schrader at USC 24/7:

The names that are at the top of Pat Haden's list, per several sources, are Boise State head coach Chris Petersen (thought to be the best candidate), Vanderbilt head coach James Franklin, Northwestern head coach Pat Fitzgerald, Texas A&M head coach Kevin Sumlin and Denver defensive coordinator Jack Del Rio.

He then followed up by saying that it was doubtful that Fitz would leave but that USC could get Sumlin if they really want him.

 

[greyhammer90]

Vanderbilt head coach James Franklin

Do it!

 

[rtrn2glory]

Franklin is tricky to me...to me it seems like he'd be a great fit for them, but at the same time i could see it turning into another Lane Kiffin, which would be good for everyone else.

in order if i were Haden i'd go:

Sumlin
Petersen
Del Rio
Fitzgerald
Franklin

 

[Cackalacky]

Franklin is tricky to me...to me it seems like he'd be a great fit for them, but at the same time i could see it turning into another Lane Kiffin, which would be good for everyone else.

in order if i were Haden i'd go:

Sumlin
Petersen
Del Rio
Fitzgerald
Franklin

Sumlin is a stretch for me. I want to see him without JFF. I like Petersen the best as a coach and therefore do not want him to go to USC.

 

[NDWorld247]

Best case scenario for me would be Del Rio, Franklin then Fitzgerald. Petersen or Sumlin would equal big trouble.

 

[GowerND11]

Sumlin is a stretch for me. I want to see him without JFF. I like Petersen the best as a coach and therefore do not want him to go to USC.

^This. I also can't see Fitz leaving Northwestern for USC.... Wow who would ever have thought you'd see that in writing. Anyway, I think Petersen is the best coach out of them, but I feel they will try to pull Sumlin.

 

[irishfan]

I'm hoping for Del Rio honestly. I don't see him being anything better than above-average and his hair is hilarious-looking with a headset over it.

Petersen would be trouble for us. Sumlin and Franklin are question marks. They could flame out or just bring the school back to the Carroll days.

 

[STLDomer]

So no Sark?

 

[greyhammer90]

I think Del Rio would just be disappointing for them, I think Franklin would crash and burn in a spectacular fashion.

 

[rtrn2glory]

haven't heard much on boise st lately...not saying petersen is a bad coach, but when kellen moore left that program disappeared from the national stage. plus they only play 1 big nonconference game a year, by no fault of their own.

i agree petersen is a good coach, but it falls along the same theory with sumlin wanting to see how he does after johnny football.

plus sumlin's got a pretty good track record with QB's and USC's been known to have some good one's over the years and not to mention they're in the QB hot bed out in Cali.

 

[irishfan]

Also, I'm happy there is no Art Briles on that list.

 

[rtrn2glory]

So no Sark?

was wondering the same thing. i'm thinking haden is possibly throwing around the wrong names intentional while secretly going after the one he really wants.

 

[Cackalacky]

If they get a good offensive minded coach and Orgeron stays on as DC, USC will be fine.

 

[ThePiombino]

So no Sark?

My understanding is that they want to get away form the Carroll regime, which leads me to believe Orgeron is not a serious candidate. I think it's clear he's not HC material anyway, IMO, ESPECIALLY not at one of the MAJOR programs in the country.

 

[Cackalacky]

haven't heard much on boise st lately...not saying petersen is a bad coach, but when kellen moore left that program disappeared from the national stage. plus they only play 1 big nonconference game a year, by no fault of their own.

i agree petersen is a good coach, but it falls along the same theory with sumlin wanting to see how he does after johnny football.

plus sumlin's got a pretty good track record with QB's and USC's been known to have some good one's over the years and not to mention they're in the QB hot bed out in Cali.

Petersen has done what he did with crappy recruits in the northwest corner of nowhere. I can't imagine what he would do with USCs star power. Of course we could say that for several coaches lol.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

I think Del Rio would just be disappointing for them, I think Franklin would crash and burn in a spectacular fashion.

 

[AdmiralBackhand]

So glad Cutty will remain in UW. I think he would be bad news.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

I think Del Rio would just be disappointing for them, I think Franklin would crash and burn in a spectacular fashion.

THIS! He still has a lot of folks tricked into assuming he's a good coach because he can talk a good game and recruit. He would be an awesome sequel to Lane Kiffin USC story

 

[ndfi78]

haven't heard much on boise st lately...not saying petersen is a bad coach, but when kellen moore left that program disappeared from the national stage. plus they only play 1 big nonconference game a year, by no fault of their own.

i agree petersen is a good coach, but it falls along the same theory with sumlin wanting to see how he does after johnny football.

plus sumlin's got a pretty good track record with QB's and USC's been known to have some good one's over the years and not to mention they're in the QB hot bed out in Cali.

He is 89-10 (.899) since 2006 when he started at BSU, including the 2006 year where BSU was 13-0 including a win over OU in the Fiesta bowl. Petersen is a top 5 coach, probably top 3.

 

[irishff1014]

Petersen has done what he did with crappy recruits in the northwest corner of nowhere. I can't imagine what he would do with USCs star power. Of course we could say that for several coaches lol.

I agree with this.

 

[Cackalacky]

I agree with this.

You are a smart internet person.

 

[Wild Bill]

Best case scenario for me would be Del Rio, Franklin then Fitzgerald. Petersen or Sumlin would equal big trouble.

Exactly.

I can't see Sumlin leaving for USC. IMO, TAM is a better job right now.

 

[NDohio]

Exactly.

I can't see Sumlin leaving for USC. IMO, TAM is a better job right now.

Have you seen that defense? Will be interesting to see them next year without JM. I think they fall back to middle of the pack SEC team.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Exactly.

I can't see Sumlin leaving for USC. IMO, TAM is a better job right now.

No. USC is a top 5 job and will be for the foreseeable future

 

[Wild Bill]

Have you seen that defense? Will be interesting to see them next year without JM. I think they fall back to middle of the pack SEC team.

TAM's roster is better than USC's, IMO. With or without Manziel the talent disparity will continue to grow as TAM oversigns and USC is strapped by sanctions.

He's in the SEC right now playing by SEC rules. Why would he leave for sanctions and the repercussions of sanctions? USC will be under a microscope for years after the sanctions expire.

The money will be about the same. The recruiting is just as rich in Texas as it is in SoCal. TAM is ascending while USC is declining. Aside from history, what does USC offer him?

 

[Ndaccountant]

TAM's roster is better than USC's, IMO. With or without Manziel the talent disparity will continue to grow as TAM oversigns and USC is strapped by sanctions.

He's in the SEC right now playing by SEC rules. Why would he leave for sanctions and the repercussions of sanctions? USC will be under a microscope for years after the sanctions expire.

The money will be about the same. The recruiting is just as rich in Texas as it is in SoCal. TAM is ascending while USC is declining. Aside from history, what does USC offer him?

Sweater puppies?

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

TAM's roster is better than USC's, IMO. With or without Manziel the talent disparity will continue to grow as TAM oversigns and USC is strapped by sanctions.

The sanctions will be over for the new coach. They can sign 25 in 2014 and will be back to 85 on the roster in 2015. TAMU doesn't have better talent, they just have more because they have a full roster. USC's few scholarship players are very talented. 5 of the 12 guys they signed last year were 5. This year they might take a recruiting hit but they will never be hurting for talent.

He's in the SEC right now playing by SEC rules. Why would he leave for sanctions and the repercussions of sanctions? USC will be under a microscope for years after the sanctions expire.

I don't even know what that means. Again, the sanctions will be over.

The money will be about the same. The recruiting is just as rich in Texas as it is in SoCal. TAM is ascending while USC is declining. Aside from history, what does USC offer him?

TAMU is ascending but will promptly fall back to the middle of the SEC, if not this year, next year when Manziel is gone. USC is declining only because of sanctions and a ****** coach. They will be fine.

Aside from history? Are you saying that doesn't matter? That is a huge deal. USC also offers the LA lifestyle, a strong track record of placing guys in the NFL, and the national spotlight.

 

[ThePiombino]

Exactly.

I can't see Sumlin leaving for USC. IMO, TAM is a better job right now.

No.

 

[Wild Bill]

The sanctions will be over for the new coach. They can sign 25 in 2014 and will be back to 85 on the roster in 2015. TAMU doesn't have better talent, they just have more because they have a full roster. USC's few scholarship players are very talented. 5 of the 12 guys they signed last year were 5. This year they might take a recruiting hit but they will never be hurting for talent.

Both of the teams are talented. IMO, TAM has a better roster right now. Whoever takes over at USC will have to recruit their a$$ off this year b/c the class isn't looking good.

I don't even know what that means. Again, the sanctions will be over.

SEC has the luxury of oversigning. Alleged NCAA violations in the SEC are usually dismissed as nothing, i.e., Cam Newton, Johnny Manziel, the entire Tennessee team.

TAMU is ascending but will promptly fall back to the middle of the SEC, if not this year, next year when Manziel is gone. USC is declining only because of sanctions and a ****** coach. They will be fine.

Aside from history? Are you saying that doesn't matter? That is a huge deal. USC also offers the LA lifestyle, a strong track record of placing guys in the NFL, and the national spotlight.

Losing Manziel will obviously hurt but Sumlin put together a top ten class last year and looks like he's doing the same this year. If TAM stays on the same path, they will be an upper echelon SEC team going forward.

I'm not implying history doesn't matter. I'm just not sure that it's enough to swipe Sumlin right now.

I agree with you, USC is an elite job. I said TAM is a better job right now. I should have said TAM is a better job for Sumlin right now. I think Sumlin has something going at TAM, and IMO, will have them competing for titles going forward.