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Ray Drew was and is never gonna come to ND. Who told you he was. He listed us but his top 6 or 8 have been all south schools for a long time. Ishaq Williams looks raw with upside and would love to have him. Chickillo as a great back up is funny though. Have you watched tape of Chickillo? He is probably the best pass rusher in the country and would not play DE but OLB. He has a quick burst, great football IQ, strength, and gets to the quaterback. I'd love to have him.

Anyone know our chances at getting Jermauria Rasco? We offered him and he is being recruited by Tony Alford. I watched tape of this kid and he is only 220 and is a beast. Anyone know what is going on with him and what ND is doing to get him

Welcome to IE MoreTeo

If you had read throughout the thread you would know that guys like TerryTate, PolishIrishman, NDinLA and myself have pretty much covered the Ray Drew siuation

I wouldn't call Ishaq raw but i would question his competition
Chickillo is someone i am really high on and would love to get him in an ND uni but between him Ishaq and French he has the least upside (but also the most likely to be a major contributor). Chickillo is a lifelong Miami fan so he may be soft now but a good hire could get him back in the fold

Rasco was offered but doesnt seem to be on the radar anymore
 

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Welcome to IE MoreTeo

If you had read throughout the thread you would know that guys like TerryTate, PolishIrishman, NDinLA and myself have pretty much covered the Ray Drew siuation

I wouldn't call Ishaq raw but i would question his competition
Chickillo is someone i am really high on and would love to get him in an ND uni but between him Ishaq and French he has the least upside (but also the most likely to be a major contributor). Chickillo is a lifelong Miami fan so he may be soft now but a good hire could get him back in the fold

Rasco was offered but doesnt seem to be on the radar anymore

First off, I want to thank you jason_h537 for the welcome

I had not read all of your coverage of Ray Drew on IE but read a couple pages. I will pay my dues and read them. I also like to know the sources of the information I read, lots of these sites are rumors not much truth to them. But it seems you, Tate, etc...do your homework. I also am a member at irishillustrated.com and rivals.com. All I here is wishful thinking about Ray Drew and I get tired of it because the chances of him signing here is very low would you agree? Thank for the update on Rasco, that sucks he had tons of upside.

I know Chickillo's father and grandfather played at the U and a solid hire will keep him but I wanted to show that Ray Drew is not Dwight Freeney and there are other players out there. I agree that Ishaq plays weak competition because I went to Lincoln High School but he needs some more muscle, better technique, more than one pass rush move to be an effective OLB in a 3-4.

French is the one that scares me the most.
Out of all the top recruits he scares me the most. I watched a couple hours of tape of him throughout the year and he didn't dominate like he should. He needs 30 more lbs to play OLB at the next level and his tackling is average and technique poor. I think he might make a better safety than a linebacker. He is either a boom or bust. That is what scares me. ND has not done too well in past with those types of players.

anyways thank you for the welcome and look foward to talking ND recruiting in the future.
 

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I'd agree i think most likely we are going to land scarlett or french possibly both, and chickillo for an outside linebacker....drew is out its him that believes he cant fit the scheme not us.
 

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i was also curious i know how amped up we get every year with news of the new blood coming to ND, but has anybody heard anything about E.J. Banks thought he'd be in the mix to play corner next year??
 

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i was also curious i know how amped up we get every year with news of the new blood coming to ND, but has anybody heard anything about E.J. Banks thought he'd be in the mix to play corner next year??

Probably won't know anything until the spring
 

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yep, sounds mutual as well... also we can go ahead and put Cam under RB... every quote that has come out since the verbal from both sides points to him getting every possible chance to make things happen at RB.
 

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First off, I want to thank you jason_h537 for the welcome

I had not read all of your coverage of Ray Drew on IE but read a couple pages. I will pay my dues and read them. I also like to know the sources of the information I read, lots of these sites are rumors not much truth to them. But it seems you, Tate, etc...do your homework. I also am a member at irishillustrated.com and rivals.com. All I here is wishful thinking about Ray Drew and I get tired of it because the chances of him signing here is very low would you agree? Thank for the update on Rasco, that sucks he had tons of upside.

I know Chickillo's father and grandfather played at the U and a solid hire will keep him but I wanted to show that Ray Drew is not Dwight Freeney and there are other players out there. I agree that Ishaq plays weak competition because I went to Lincoln High School but he needs some more muscle, better technique, more than one pass rush move to be an effective OLB in a 3-4.

French is the one that scares me the most.
Out of all the top recruits he scares me the most. I watched a couple hours of tape of him throughout the year and he didn't dominate like he should. He needs 30 more lbs to play OLB at the next level and his tackling is average and technique poor. I think he might make a better safety than a linebacker. He is either a boom or bust. That is what scares me. ND has not done too well in past with those types of players.

anyways thank you for the welcome and look foward to talking ND recruiting in the future.

No problem, always nice to see new blood here.

The thing about Ray Drew is that he is very high on academics and is a minister. If he were to visit there is little doubt in my mind we would have a great shot of landing him. He is very talented and the staff is doing there job by trying to get him to think ND

As for Ishaq, French and Chickillo. i see them this way.

Chickillo is someone i really like. of the 3 he is the safest bet. A great athlete with size. He likes to hit. played against great competition and is a smart football player. He is someone who could push for PT next year

IShaq is a better athlete than Chickillo, a lil more finesse to his game, has played OLB, but i do question his competition. Needs to add weight but could also play early

French has only played football for 2 years i believe, very raw and will likely sit 2-3 years before getting real PT, but you can't teach 6-6 with a frame that can hold 240-250 with 4.4 speed. he is a freak athlete that could be a bust but is worth the shot with his potential
 

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I also like to know the sources of the information I read, lots of these sites are rumors not much truth to them. But it seems you, Tate, etc...do your homework. I also am a member at irishillustrated.com and rivals.com.

I am at II also, they do a great job of interviewing recruits and updating info. A lot of what i do is using common sense and wathing highlights, i also live in socal and have friends who have friends if you know what i mean. So i hear things about local guys. As for the Rivals main site, Ferrell pulls **** outta his ***, don't pay attention. Barry Every only likes football players if they look like greek god statues so his reports are skewed.

One thing i hate about Rivals is that they only have 1 part time scout for the entire state of CA, which is why they are either late on kids out here or they just poorly evaluate them.
 
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i also think us playing more 3-4 stack is getting the attention of players that fit the build of outside linebackers but play defensive end in high school, guess its a comfort thing 2 point stance vs. 3 point stance. in the end we should keep focused on the defensive side either front 7 or the back half, and possibly add another o-linemen id say it will be a very good class
 

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I am at II also, they do a great job of interviewing recruits and updating info. A lot of what i do is using common sense and wathing highlights, i also live in socal and have friends who have friends if you know what i mean. So i hear things about local guys. As for the Rivals main site, Ferrell pulls **** outta his ***, don't pay attention. Barry Every only likes football players if they look like greek god statues so his reports are skewed.

One thing i hate about Rivals is that they only have 1 part time scout for the entire state of CA, which is why they are either late on kids out here or they just poorly evaluate them.

Thank you for the chance to reply and I respect your stance. How do you know that CA has only 1 part time scout for rivals. I'm not really doubting but is there a place you can go on the site to find how many scouts there are and the regions they cover. Since I am new, How do load a pic in your profile? Thnx
 

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QB: Everett Golson

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OLB: Anthony Chickillo

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RB: Savon Huggins
RB: Amir Carlisle
WR: Miles Shuler
OL: Troy Niklas
OLB Ishaq Williams
OLB Christian French
 

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Prediction time! Who do you all think we get to round out the class? We have how many slots? 4-5? Let's hear what you think.
 

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I feel we get williams and french and lose at least one current guy...

beyond that... eh, maybe we get huggins. which of course would be huge.
 

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Ok...lets start with how many spots left. To do this, we have to make a few assumptions.

1. Floyd is gone - He may not be a 1st round pick (if so it will be late 20s-30s) but with his background of wanting to support his mother and his play on this field this year...only thing that would keep him would be a lockout
2. If Rudolph is back, Ragone is gone - I feel this will be the case. While Ragone has been a consistent blocking TE for us this year, how are we going to take Rudolph or Eifert off the field for him next year? Look for Welch to play as the 3rd TE and Golic as the 4th while we redshirt Koyack...loaded at this position.
3. Ruffer gets a scholarship to come back as a 5th year - Currently he is still a walk on, but there is no way Kelly does not want him back and will give a scholarship to do so.
4. Nate Montana does not get a scholarship next year - Happens all the time. As a law, the national letter of intent is a one year agreement. Teams often give them to walk-ons exceding expectations when there are extras. Next year we will be at 85...no extras for a QB who will likely be behind Crist, Rees, Golson, and Hendrix.

Now numbers by class:
5th years - 5 (Ruffer, H. Smith, G. Gray, Dever, one of Nuss/Romine)
Seniors - 21 (Crist, J. Gray, Goodman, Walker, Rudolph, Cave, M Golic, Robinson, Clelland, KLM, Johnson, H Williams, Cwynar, Newman, Posluszny, McDonlad, Fleming, Filer, Blanton, Slaughter, McCarthy)
Juniors - 17 (C Wood, Toma, Riddick, J Golic, Eifert, Watt, Bullard, Martin, Stockton, Calabrese, Te'o, Fox, Motta, Cowart, Tausch, Turk)
Sophmores - 19 (Rees, Hendrix, Massa, Roberson, Jones, Jackson, D. Smith, Collinsworth, Welch, Nichols, Lombard, Heggie, Schwenke, Nix, Moore, Spond, Shembo, Utopo, L Wood)

*Whew* lots of name spelling...hope they are all right. This article is a little old, especially for recruits, but it does have the numbers close to where they are now
One Foot Down | Coach Kelly Plays the Numbers 59+20+9=88

Back to the math...5+21+17+19=62. We all know the limit is 85, with the above assumptions, we can bring in 23 kids in this class of 2011.

With Golson as #18 and 5 more spots available, we need another OL, DE, OLB, DB for sure...the 5th spot could be for a RB (Carlisle, Huggins) or another DE/OLB type.

I am pretty confident about getting athletes to generally fit those positions, even though Kelly recruits power, skill, and big skill so my predictions:

Carlisle, Niklas, IShaq, Shane Ray, and a new DB prospect maybe Okotcha, Carl Williams, or a name not heard of yet.

I would love to be wrong on guys like Scarlett, Chickillo, Drew, and Shuler (as DB)...
 

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Ok...lets start with how many spots left. To do this, we have to make a few assumptions.

1. Floyd is gone - He may not be a 1st round pick (if so it will be late 20s-30s) but with his background of wanting to support his mother and his play on this field this year...only thing that would keep him would be a lockout
2. If Rudolph is back, Ragone is gone - I feel this will be the case. While Ragone has been a consistent blocking TE for us this year, how are we going to take Rudolph or Eifert off the field for him next year? Look for Welch to play as the 3rd TE and Golic as the 4th while we redshirt Koyack...loaded at this position.
3. Ruffer gets a scholarship to come back as a 5th year - Currently he is still a walk on, but there is no way Kelly does not want him back and will give a scholarship to do so.
4. Nate Montana does not get a scholarship next year - Happens all the time. As a law, the national letter of intent is a one year agreement. Teams often give them to walk-ons exceding expectations when there are extras. Next year we will be at 85...no extras for a QB who will likely be behind Crist, Rees, Golson, and Hendrix.

Now numbers by class:
5th years - 5 (Ruffer, H. Smith, G. Gray, Dever, one of Nuss/Romine)
Seniors - 21 (Crist, J. Gray, Goodman, Walker, Rudolph, Cave, M Golic, Robinson, Clelland, KLM, Johnson, H Williams, Cwynar, Newman, Posluszny, McDonlad, Fleming, Filer, Blanton, Slaughter, McCarthy)
Juniors - 17 (C Wood, Toma, Riddick, J Golic, Eifert, Watt, Bullard, Martin, Stockton, Calabrese, Te'o, Fox, Motta, Cowart, Tausch, Turk)
Sophmores - 19 (Rees, Hendrix, Massa, Roberson, Jones, Jackson, D. Smith, Collinsworth, Welch, Nichols, Lombard, Heggie, Schwenke, Nix, Moore, Spond, Shembo, Utopo, L Wood)

*Whew* lots of name spelling...hope they are all right. This article is a little old, especially for recruits, but it does have the numbers close to where they are now
One Foot Down | Coach Kelly Plays the Numbers 59+20+9=88

Back to the math...5+21+17+19=62. We all know the limit is 85, with the above assumptions, we can bring in 23 kids in this class of 2011.

With Golson as #18 and 5 more spots available, we need another OL, DE, OLB, DB for sure...the 5th spot could be for a RB (Carlisle, Huggins) or another DE/OLB type.

I am pretty confident about getting athletes to generally fit those positions, even though Kelly recruits power, skill, and big skill so my predictions:

Carlisle, Niklas, IShaq, Shane Ray, and a new DB prospect maybe Okotcha, Carl Williams, or a name not heard of yet.

I would love to be wrong on guys like Scarlett, Chickillo, Drew, and Shuler (as DB)...

Great analysis.
 

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Ok...lets start with how many spots left. To do this, we have to make a few assumptions.

1. Floyd is gone - He may not be a 1st round pick (if so it will be late 20s-30s) but with his background of wanting to support his mother and his play on this field this year...only thing that would keep him would be a lockout
2. If Rudolph is back, Ragone is gone - I feel this will be the case. While Ragone has been a consistent blocking TE for us this year, how are we going to take Rudolph or Eifert off the field for him next year? Look for Welch to play as the 3rd TE and Golic as the 4th while we redshirt Koyack...loaded at this position.
3. Ruffer gets a scholarship to come back as a 5th year - Currently he is still a walk on, but there is no way Kelly does not want him back and will give a scholarship to do so.
4. Nate Montana does not get a scholarship next year - Happens all the time. As a law, the national letter of intent is a one year agreement. Teams often give them to walk-ons exceding expectations when there are extras. Next year we will be at 85...no extras for a QB who will likely be behind Crist, Rees, Golson, and Hendrix.

Now numbers by class:
5th years - 5 (Ruffer, H. Smith, G. Gray, Dever, one of Nuss/Romine)
Seniors - 21 (Crist, J. Gray, Goodman, Walker, Rudolph, Cave, M Golic, Robinson, Clelland, KLM, Johnson, H Williams, Cwynar, Newman, Posluszny, McDonlad, Fleming, Filer, Blanton, Slaughter, McCarthy)
Juniors - 17 (C Wood, Toma, Riddick, J Golic, Eifert, Watt, Bullard, Martin, Stockton, Calabrese, Te'o, Fox, Motta, Cowart, Tausch, Turk)
Sophmores - 19 (Rees, Hendrix, Massa, Roberson, Jones, Jackson, D. Smith, Collinsworth, Welch, Nichols, Lombard, Heggie, Schwenke, Nix, Moore, Spond, Shembo, Utopo, L Wood)

*Whew* lots of name spelling...hope they are all right. This article is a little old, especially for recruits, but it does have the numbers close to where they are now
One Foot Down | Coach Kelly Plays the Numbers 59+20+9=88

Back to the math...5+21+17+19=62. We all know the limit is 85, with the above assumptions, we can bring in 23 kids in this class of 2011.

With Golson as #18 and 5 more spots available, we need another OL, DE, OLB, DB for sure...the 5th spot could be for a RB (Carlisle, Huggins) or another DE/OLB type.

I am pretty confident about getting athletes to generally fit those positions, even though Kelly recruits power, skill, and big skill so my predictions:

Carlisle, Niklas, IShaq, Shane Ray, and a new DB prospect maybe Okotcha, Carl Williams, or a name not heard of yet.

I would love to be wrong on guys like Scarlett, Chickillo, Drew, and Shuler (as DB)...

Love the work.

Scarlett is a much better chance than Chickillo, Drew, and Shuler.

Someone posted (sorry for forgetting) that we were in second behind Cal. Don't expect the staff to stop now. They have become ravenous the past week. Look for the same until NSD, allotting for time spent preparing for the bowl, obviously.

Kelly is making good use of his G5 private jet.
 

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Love the work.

Scarlett is a much better chance than Chickillo, Drew, and Shuler.

Someone posted (sorry for forgetting) that we were in second behind Cal. Don't expect the staff to stop now. They have become ravenous the past week. Look for the same until NSD, allotting for time spent preparing for the bowl, obviously.

Kelly is making good use of his G5 private jet.

The staff is hungry. I'm loving it.
 

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Ok...lets start with how many spots left. To do this, we have to make a few assumptions.

1. Floyd is gone - He may not be a 1st round pick (if so it will be late 20s-30s) but with his background of wanting to support his mother and his play on this field this year...only thing that would keep him would be a lockout
2. If Rudolph is back, Ragone is gone - I feel this will be the case. While Ragone has been a consistent blocking TE for us this year, how are we going to take Rudolph or Eifert off the field for him next year? Look for Welch to play as the 3rd TE and Golic as the 4th while we redshirt Koyack...loaded at this position.
3. Ruffer gets a scholarship to come back as a 5th year - Currently he is still a walk on, but there is no way Kelly does not want him back and will give a scholarship to do so.
4. Nate Montana does not get a scholarship next year - Happens all the time. As a law, the national letter of intent is a one year agreement. Teams often give them to walk-ons exceding expectations when there are extras. Next year we will be at 85...no extras for a QB who will likely be behind Crist, Rees, Golson, and Hendrix.

Now numbers by class:
5th years - 5 (Ruffer, H. Smith, G. Gray, Dever, one of Nuss/Romine)
Seniors - 21 (Crist, J. Gray, Goodman, Walker, Rudolph, Cave, M Golic, Robinson, Clelland, KLM, Johnson, H Williams, Cwynar, Newman, Posluszny, McDonlad, Fleming, Filer, Blanton, Slaughter, McCarthy)
Juniors - 17 (C Wood, Toma, Riddick, J Golic, Eifert, Watt, Bullard, Martin, Stockton, Calabrese, Te'o, Fox, Motta, Cowart, Tausch, Turk)
Sophmores - 19 (Rees, Hendrix, Massa, Roberson, Jones, Jackson, D. Smith, Collinsworth, Welch, Nichols, Lombard, Heggie, Schwenke, Nix, Moore, Spond, Shembo, Utopo, L Wood)

*Whew* lots of name spelling...hope they are all right. This article is a little old, especially for recruits, but it does have the numbers close to where they are now
One Foot Down | Coach Kelly Plays the Numbers 59+20+9=88

Back to the math...5+21+17+19=62. We all know the limit is 85, with the above assumptions, we can bring in 23 kids in this class of 2011.

With Golson as #18 and 5 more spots available, we need another OL, DE, OLB, DB for sure...the 5th spot could be for a RB (Carlisle, Huggins) or another DE/OLB type.

I am pretty confident about getting athletes to generally fit those positions, even though Kelly recruits power, skill, and big skill so my predictions:

Carlisle, Niklas, IShaq, Shane Ray, and a new DB prospect maybe Okotcha, Carl Williams, or a name not heard of yet.

I would love to be wrong on guys like Scarlett, Chickillo, Drew, and Shuler (as DB)...

I think EJ Banks could get his scholly back too, maybe we need to take that into account. Also, is there any need to hold back 1 spot because Badger will be back 2012.
 
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Ok...lets start with how many spots left. To do this, we have to make a few assumptions.

1. Floyd is gone - He may not be a 1st round pick (if so it will be late 20s-30s) but with his background of wanting to support his mother and his play on this field this year...only thing that would keep him would be a lockout
2. If Rudolph is back, Ragone is gone - I feel this will be the case. While Ragone has been a consistent blocking TE for us this year, how are we going to take Rudolph or Eifert off the field for him next year? Look for Welch to play as the 3rd TE and Golic as the 4th while we redshirt Koyack...loaded at this position.
3. Ruffer gets a scholarship to come back as a 5th year - Currently he is still a walk on, but there is no way Kelly does not want him back and will give a scholarship to do so.
4. Nate Montana does not get a scholarship next year - Happens all the time. As a law, the national letter of intent is a one year agreement. Teams often give them to walk-ons exceding expectations when there are extras. Next year we will be at 85...no extras for a QB who will likely be behind Crist, Rees, Golson, and Hendrix.

Now numbers by class:
5th years - 5 (Ruffer, H. Smith, G. Gray, Dever, one of Nuss/Romine)
Seniors - 21 (Crist, J. Gray, Goodman, Walker, Rudolph, Cave, M Golic, Robinson, Clelland, KLM, Johnson, H Williams, Cwynar, Newman, Posluszny, McDonlad, Fleming, Filer, Blanton, Slaughter, McCarthy)
Juniors - 17 (C Wood, Toma, Riddick, J Golic, Eifert, Watt, Bullard, Martin, Stockton, Calabrese, Te'o, Fox, Motta, Cowart, Tausch, Turk)
Sophmores - 19 (Rees, Hendrix, Massa, Roberson, Jones, Jackson, D. Smith, Collinsworth, Welch, Nichols, Lombard, Heggie, Schwenke, Nix, Moore, Spond, Shembo, Utopo, L Wood)

*Whew* lots of name spelling...hope they are all right. This article is a little old, especially for recruits, but it does have the numbers close to where they are now
One Foot Down | Coach Kelly Plays the Numbers 59+20+9=88

Back to the math...5+21+17+19=62. We all know the limit is 85, with the above assumptions, we can bring in 23 kids in this class of 2011.

With Golson as #18 and 5 more spots available, we need another OL, DE, OLB, DB for sure...the 5th spot could be for a RB (Carlisle, Huggins) or another DE/OLB type.

I am pretty confident about getting athletes to generally fit those positions, even though Kelly recruits power, skill, and big skill so my predictions:

Carlisle, Niklas, IShaq, Shane Ray, and a new DB prospect maybe Okotcha, Carl Williams, or a name not heard of yet.

I would love to be wrong on guys like Scarlett, Chickillo, Drew, and Shuler (as DB)...
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Hey, New England Guy, do you ever get headaches? Man, this is more complicated than a constitutional law final exam question!
 

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One of these "days" we have got to get a O-lineman who can be trained to handle the job of Center. Neither Hegarty [prime tackle skills] nor Hanratty [simple bulked up roadgrader] nor Springman [6'8"] seem candidates for that work. Nichols [6'8"] isn't either and I doubt that Lombard [prime guard/tackle potential] is wanted to be tossed in there. You guys can tell me different, but I'm worrying about two solid years without a developmental Center.
 

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One of these "days" we have got to get a O-lineman who can be trained to handle the job of Center. Neither Hegarty [prime tackle skills] nor Hanratty [simple bulked up roadgrader] nor Springman [6'8"] seem candidates for that work. Nichols [6'8"] isn't either and I doubt that Lombard [prime guard/tackle potential] is wanted to be tossed in there. You guys can tell me different, but I'm worrying about two solid years without a developmental Center.

Still have Golic Jr on roster, i believe he has been cross trained both at center and at guard. I dont think any of the OL prospects being brought in now are center candidates. I like where your head is at OMM, but we have other...more "pressing" depth concerns.

On a lighter note...the TE talent on this ball club makes me salivate!
 

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One of these "days" we have got to get a O-lineman who can be trained to handle the job of Center. Neither Hegarty [prime tackle skills] nor Hanratty [simple bulked up roadgrader] nor Springman [6'8"] seem candidates for that work. Nichols [6'8"] isn't either and I doubt that Lombard [prime guard/tackle potential] is wanted to be tossed in there. You guys can tell me different, but I'm worrying about two solid years without a developmental Center.

Funny you bring that up. Dan Wenger is applying for a 6th year of eligibility. If he can stay healthy, he'll at the very least give us some depth.
 

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Funny you bring that up. Dan Wenger is applying for a 6th year of eligibility. If he can stay healthy, he'll at the very least give us some depth.

Wenger had to shut it down because of concussions, right? There's no way he should be back on a football field.
 
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