UFOs, Paranormal, Pseudoscience Thread

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Same here. If anybody who has knowledge can do an "Explain like I'm 5 years old" on how they do this, I'd be interested to read it. I would assume it has to be related to light refraction since light is the only thing reaching us from that distance but how you would use that to determine the amount of a particular molecule from hundreds of LYs away is lost on me.
I'll take a stab at it. Mike knows more about this than I do, so he can correct me if I'm wrong.

It's done by analyzing the light that passes through the distant planet's atmosphere as it passes in front of its star. That light is collected by a telescope such as the James Webb, then split into its various wavelengths, just like a prism splitting a beam of light into a broad band of colors. Different chemicals in the atmosphere of the planet will absorb certain very narrow bands of the light and produce dark stripes in the spread out band of light, looking a bit like a bar code on a can of soup. By knowing what patterns in the bar code correspond to different elements or compounds, you can then tell what elements or compounds are in that planet's atmosphere and absorbing the starlight passing through it.

It seems hard to believe that we can see that precisely over several light years, but apparently we can. Below is an example of what it looks like.

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Well, it can't be explained as if a person had little scientific education, unfortunately.

All that I'll say is this:
1. All atomic structures absorb wavelengths of the light spectrum (visible AND others) differently.
2. When you pass full spectrum light through a gaseous amount of a molecule (DMS or whatever), the atoms in the molecular structure absorb certain wavelengths as does the structural arrangement; so molecules also have specific light wavelength absorption fingerprints. This is how all molecule-identifying spectroscopy works today. Our commonly used alternative testing (Mass Spec) requires an in-hand sample, so we are stuck with light spectroscopy.
3. Suns create nearly full spectrum light. (even after their light escapes through their own atmospheres, it is fairly "full". Different stars are classified as to what wavelengths their atmospheres absorb. If you know the star type, you know what its light spectrum [full minus what it absorbs itself] should look like. In this case that almost doesn't matter as we are comparing sort of a status quo vs interference state condition.
4. If something else passes between us and the star, and its surrounding gases absorb the star light in its path to us, that something's molecules absorb their characteristic wavelengths just as they would do to a light source we shown on them in the lab. That star light would emerge through those clouds minus the absorbed wavelengths, and keep on to us.
5. When we see the light from the Sun of that system, it will be minus the wavelengths it itself absorbed, and the wavelengths that the intervening planet (or even a gaseous cloud) absorbed. When the planet moves out of the way, the spectrum changes and the otherwise absorbed light lines return. So we know which molecules were in the atmosphere or intervening cloud.
6. All that has been known, and sort of understood (as much as anything really fundamentally microcosmic can be understood.) The problem therefore is technological, not scientific. All such discoveries have waited until we could manage the light-sensitive-gathering ability to collect enough light to measure things at all. We're still WAY short of we really need in light-gathering tech.
 

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Same here. If anybody who has knowledge can do an "Explain like I'm 5 years old" on how they do this, I'd be interested to read it. I would assume it has to be related to light refraction since light is the only thing reaching us from that distance but how you would use that to determine the amount of a particular molecule from hundreds of LYs away is lost on me.
exoplanet atmosphere spectral analysis.

Chemicals emit specific patterns of wavelengths when radiated. The patterns are basically fingerprints and their intensities can be correlated to quantities.
 
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It's wild how we can get that information from some place so far away, and it's accurate enough to confident in the findings
 

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Nobody in the citizenry knows any of the truth (or not) in this. The article is basically rehash containing nothing new except for a useless reference to "What if trump releases data?" remark. Elizondo is not a primary observer of anything, and is now "in business" making a living. Hal Puthoff (a friend of mine) chaired two referenced committees. One was just advisory speculating on "should we release the truth?" -- decision: No. and the other a To the Stars group of De longe's which was shallow and fruitless. The Art's Parts stuff has been around a long time, and none of it tested out unusually (as the article actually admitted.) The Lockheed Skunk Works secret project claim doesn't have any documentation, but who knows? Kelly Johnson worked there and was a UFO observer and fan. His boss (forgetting the name just now) also was very intrigued with UFOs.

This stuff is for us just a bunch of fascinating claims with a slight chance of some of them being true. But nothing concrete, not even first hand testimony from a credible observer, and for sure no documentation.

For anyone interested, another couple of my articles about behind-the-scenes intel community UFO meetings/thought/case concerns have been published on the CUFOS site. They, at least, are documented.
 

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I don't think I've ever mentioned it here, but in the nearby town, 5 minutes from my house, we've had a UFO here for at least 3 decades now. It's a bit of a local legend, you can see it from State Route 73 just outside downtown Carlisle. I've always been curious what the owner's deal is :laugh:

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Fully believe in parallel universes and alternate timelines.

I often shudder to think about how worse something could have been if not for one thing at one particular moment. I just have a sense for them existing.
 

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I just went down a bit of a rabbit hole within this thread, and it's been interesting to say the least. Very interesting stuff.
It's a fun thread... not a question for you specifically but anyone who spends time on campus. Is there any paranormal/ghost stories relating to ND?
 

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It's a fun thread... not a question for you specifically but anyone who spends time on campus. Is there any paranormal/ghost stories relating to ND?
Nothing I can think of from my student days.

Maybe something about George Gipp's ghost? Washington Hall being potentially haunted?

Bit surprising for a school that's over 175 years old.
 

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It's a fun thread... not a question for you specifically but anyone who spends time on campus. Is there any paranormal/ghost stories relating to ND?

Rockne was really an alien, that's the real reason he was ahead of the game and still better than the rest.
 

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I don't think I've ever mentioned it here, but in the nearby town, 5 minutes from my house, we've had a UFO here for at least 3 decades now. It's a bit of a local legend, you can see it from State Route 73 just outside downtown Carlisle. I've always been curious what the owner's deal is :laugh:

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You can find some articles about them if you search Futuro homes in Carlisle.

Originally there was just one - the second is an add on. The original owners were the Martz family. They owned several local businesses the largest being a blacktop company. I knew their son when we were in HS(we went to bordering schools - me Madison him Carlisle) - I think he ended up living in them for a while. Would love to see the inside.
 

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I haven't anything paranormal about ND (and I lived in Sorin in 1961-2), but my UFO files do have a poorly detailed UFO case regarding our school. Take it for what it's worth but in the summers (in this case about Summer of 1973), Father Hesburgh used to take occasional vacations to northern Michigan to fish. On this Summer his companion was the Dean of the Graduate School, plus one other fellow who served as a guide to the fishing spots. While on the Lake, and in dim sunlight (pre-dawn or post-dusk I don't know) Hesburgh and his friends saw a string of "windows" sitting linearly in the sky --- bright like windows in an airplane fuselage but unable to see the rest of the structure. The "windows" just sat there motionless in the sky for about five minutes. Then they just vanished. Hesburgh was not quoted but the Dean was. ... wish I had more on this, but I don't. And on a maybe unrelated note: President Ted was always an outspoken supporter for SETI research.
 

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Hey @Old Man Mike would love to know an update on your beliefs from the Peru findings. Apologies if I missed one but haven’t seen a post since 2023 from you through search.
It seems it has lost its steam but thought there were some credible sources claiming their was non-human DNA. Obviously could be animal, undoubtedly, just curious if you’ve come across anything new.
 

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You can find some articles about them if you search Futuro homes in Carlisle.

Originally there was just one - the second is an add on. The original owners were the Martz family. They owned several local businesses the largest being a blacktop company. I knew their son when we were in HS(we went to bordering schools - me Madison him Carlisle) - I think he ended up living in them for a while. Would love to see the inside.

Interesting! I'm actually really close to the Madison side and Post Town, we're in Franklin Township but it's Carlisle school district. That's where we built our home 4 years ago. You wouldn't believe what they've done to the J&E Rootbeer stand under the new ownership, it's like a totally different place now. I assume Martz-Paulin Road in Franklin Township here was named after that family.
 

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As to Peruvian Aliens and/or chupacabras: I don't believe that anyone in the serious UFO community buys any part of these claims. There have been many dead-givaways for stuff like this. Big "testable" claims are always followed by zero actual test confirmation. TV or Internet-oriented "researchers" string the claims out as long as they can milk them. No independent respectable documentation shows up for the WOW-claims.

We live in a (non-)culture which is not only devoid in care about Truth, but actually honors flat-out lying about anything. That's true in all media, in Government at highest levels, and TV "documentaries" --- internet is a laughable madhouse of making things up for profit or even just childish "hits." UFO research and anything out-of-the-established-academic-box suffers terribly from this with no relief in sight. Modernity. A Culture of Liars. Living Proud to be in the Human Race.
 

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Interesting! I'm actually really close to the Madison side and Post Town, we're in Franklin Township but it's Carlisle school district. That's where we built our home 4 years ago. You wouldn't believe what they've done to the J&E Rootbeer stand under the new ownership, it's like a totally different place now. I assume Martz-Paulin Road in Franklin Township here was named after that family.
Good old J&E. Do they still have car hops?

I loved growing up out there. Of course it was the 80’s, so life was great!
 

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Good old J&E. Do they still have car hops?

I loved growing up out there. Of course it was the 80’s, so life was great!

Yeah, still have car hops, but no trays on your cars like many rootbeer stands did back then, they just hand you your food. I dunno if J&E ever did that.

They got new ownership after the pandemic. They gave the place a fresh coat of paint, some fancy new signs (Including a modern LED sign out front with rotating messages), an expanded menu, and they do events around various holidays. They're active on social media too. All good changes, food is still cheap and decent.
 

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Thought thread title had Science Fiction in it...
Ran across this site today, thought it was pretty cool

 

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Thoughts? Been seeing a lot about this lately. I would assume this is just a rock.
 

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No one yet knows what this is. It is being referred to in the literature as a Comet.

The thing is eliciting interest because:
1. It is interstellar and that's extremely rare;
2. It is BIG for a comet and "statistically unlikely to happen" (the dinosaur extinctor was less than half as big);
3. It's "coma" isn't (yet) comet-like. It is just reflecting light more than spewing out gases.

As this thing gets closer to The Sun, if it is a big comet, its gaseous aura and trail should identify it.
Calling it an interstellar spaceship now is just hype. That is REALLY low probability.
 

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No one yet knows what this is. It is being referred to in the literature as a Comet.

The thing is eliciting interest because:
1. It is interstellar and that's extremely rare;
2. It is BIG for a comet and "statistically unlikely to happen" (the dinosaur extinctor was less than half as big);
3. It's "coma" isn't (yet) comet-like. It is just reflecting light more than spewing out gases.

As this thing gets closer to The Sun, if it is a big comet, its gaseous aura and trail should identify it.
Calling it an interstellar spaceship now is just hype. That is REALLY low probability.
Thanks for the reply. I knew you would be on it!
 

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You flatter me. Avi Loeb's (of Harvard astronomy) stuff isn't central to my work/studies, but I'm forced to keep an ear towards him.

He IS fired up on the possibility of detecting interstellar technology with the big telescopes.
 
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