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He already has. Go back a few pages.
I don't believe History is calling this a documentary. The website above calls the show, "a new drama series".
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He already has. Go back a few pages.
I don't believe History is calling this a documentary. The website above calls the show, "a new drama series".
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Never let the facts get in the way of a good story. amirite? lol
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Hello again gentlemen.
I looked ahead at these people's schedule and the next episode appears to be (allegedly) based upon the 1952 "Flatwoods Monster" incident. That makes good TV sense too, as ,properly altered, the story could be molded into a mimi-horror movie.
If anyone wants to know about the actual case, alongside viewing the dramatized fiction, I wrote a small blog entry on the thing in 2011. My blog was called The Big Study, as I wanted to use it to study more than just the accepted textbook universe but mainly the "forbidden topics" of the bigger anomalies-infested universe. Googling The Big Study still gets one there even though the blog has ceased about four years ago. The actual address is thebiggeststudy.blogspot.com --- my Godson/nephew set this up for me as he wanted the world to be able to read what his weird uncle was discovering. "The Big Study" was taken, so he adjusted the formal name.
The entry for Flatwoods was published 4/11/11. About half the entries are on what I'm well known for (UFO research and history), but half are on "other weird stuff." The blog had over a million hits, and still grinds along at about a hundred a day. No advertising so I never made a dime, and didn't regret it.
I'll still watch their Flatwoods show, and probably say a little something later.
I looked ahead at these people's schedule and the next episode appears to be (allegedly) based upon the 1952 "Flatwoods Monster" incident. That makes good TV sense too, as ,properly altered, the story could be molded into a mimi-horror movie.
If anyone wants to know about the actual case, alongside viewing the dramatized fiction, I wrote a small blog entry on the thing in 2011. My blog was called The Big Study, as I wanted to use it to study more than just the accepted textbook universe but mainly the "forbidden topics" of the bigger anomalies-infested universe. Googling The Big Study still gets one there even though the blog has ceased about four years ago. The actual address is thebiggeststudy.blogspot.com --- my Godson/nephew set this up for me as he wanted the world to be able to read what his weird uncle was discovering. "The Big Study" was taken, so he adjusted the formal name.
The entry for Flatwoods was published 4/11/11. About half the entries are on what I'm well known for (UFO research and history), but half are on "other weird stuff." The blog had over a million hits, and still grinds along at about a hundred a day. No advertising so I never made a dime, and didn't regret it.
I'll still watch their Flatwoods show, and probably say a little something later.
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Broke mans astronomer here.
My first and most important question is, what do you want to do and see with the scope?
For instance, the first scope you are looking at is a good beginner scope if you are just wanting to look out a window or set up a small table in the backyard. The lack of a portable mount will make something like this difficult to level on non-flat surfaces. At your price point there are better deals to be had, imo. However, it will do just fine viewing the moon, planets and stars on dark nights.
My best advice is to do what I did. Go to a star party with your local astronomy club and look thru different scopes. Members set up their scopes and are happy to let you view thru them. I had my heart set on a 12inch dobsonian reflector before I viewed the sky thru different scopes at a star party. Being that I live in a great state for stargazing I decided to go with a much smaller scope that met my needs for viewing but didn't require a a forklift to take it anywhere. I have Celestron Nexstar 5 on an equitorial mount with "go-to'. At your price point you probably won't get a go-to scope unless it's used. To be honest though, having a standard scope really helps you learn the sky better. It took me forever to get a basic understanding of the sky because I'm so reliant on pushing a couple buttons.
Definitely recommend looking thru a few before purchasing, but the second Astromaster you listed and the Orion are very fine entry level scopes.
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will bow to others who have them, but i've looked into getting one off and on over the years, and have a neighbor who's really into them.
first, check out craigslist. i found some great deals, which my neighbor jumped on a few. also, like no.1 said, go to your local astronomy club. there's likely even a UFO club or too as well. you'll get to try some out, but they are also always selling theirs and trading up... lastly, make sure you get a spotter scope.
my neighbor has spent a lot over the years. he's had several with hookups to his laptop that allows him to vid/photo, which came in handy. i know there are some easy smart phone adapters these days as well.
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I watched the second Project Blue Book program --- OUCH!! Really bad. Hard to find anything related to the actual case.
Rather than reciting all the program's stupidities, I'll just briefly say what the case actually was:
1. a trail of light was seen. and a bunch of boys followed over a hill. There they saw something and one of them ran back to get Mrs. May, one of the boy's mother. She and a couple more kids came over quickly.
2. what they saw was a tall machine-like thing --- maybe ten foot maybe +/- 2. The thing had a dome top with two beams shooting out forwards --- at no time did the thing "look" at anyone. It seemed to glide down the hill toward another bigger light red glowing object. No clawed arms existed --- just a barrel body.
3. no one could tell, but the thing must have gone inside the larger object (and supposedly away.)
4. investigations were made by two civilians separately (Gray Barker of Clarksburg, WV --- later became a joker, but this was his first field investigation and it was surprisingly well done.) (And the second by Ivan Sanderson, who also did a good field investigation --- I have his original files.) A third investigation was by the National Guard, of which we only have incomplete documents. There must have been a fourth investigation secretly, as Major Dewey Fournet of the Pentagon wrote an impatient document to some military test lab demanding that soil samples from the site be reported to him and compared with a second site which had roots apparently "microwaved" beneath the soil. This is quite interesting --- way more that the invented crap the TV program is pushing.
5. Flatwoods has never been explained, but gave the USAF no public problems since it was sensationalized enough that no one way back in 1952 believed it. Mrs. May and her son stayed firm and accurate with their stories for decades thereafter.
6. Hynek never had anything to do with this case.
Rather than reciting all the program's stupidities, I'll just briefly say what the case actually was:
1. a trail of light was seen. and a bunch of boys followed over a hill. There they saw something and one of them ran back to get Mrs. May, one of the boy's mother. She and a couple more kids came over quickly.
2. what they saw was a tall machine-like thing --- maybe ten foot maybe +/- 2. The thing had a dome top with two beams shooting out forwards --- at no time did the thing "look" at anyone. It seemed to glide down the hill toward another bigger light red glowing object. No clawed arms existed --- just a barrel body.
3. no one could tell, but the thing must have gone inside the larger object (and supposedly away.)
4. investigations were made by two civilians separately (Gray Barker of Clarksburg, WV --- later became a joker, but this was his first field investigation and it was surprisingly well done.) (And the second by Ivan Sanderson, who also did a good field investigation --- I have his original files.) A third investigation was by the National Guard, of which we only have incomplete documents. There must have been a fourth investigation secretly, as Major Dewey Fournet of the Pentagon wrote an impatient document to some military test lab demanding that soil samples from the site be reported to him and compared with a second site which had roots apparently "microwaved" beneath the soil. This is quite interesting --- way more that the invented crap the TV program is pushing.
5. Flatwoods has never been explained, but gave the USAF no public problems since it was sensationalized enough that no one way back in 1952 believed it. Mrs. May and her son stayed firm and accurate with their stories for decades thereafter.
6. Hynek never had anything to do with this case.
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Really cool blog. I just saw your post and then read a bit. It's heady information and not for my tired mind at the moment. I'm gonna definitely read all in the next day or 2.
One thing that piqued my interest was a very early statement about Proctor. Are you speaking of a Proctor in WV?
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Yes. It's my blog's joke. My sister and brother-in-law live in Proctor, and the local New Martinsville saying is that there are "different" people "Out Proctor." --- it's their local joke. I decided to invent a category of speculations or claims which were exceptionally weird and label the little mental adventure that I and the readers were about to take as going "Out Proctor." ... into the really strange lands. It had exactly the right sense to it and the follower readers liked it.
The other phrase invention for the blog was when I would tell them that they were about to read no-holds-barred theories (letting it rip against all the conservative eggheads were claiming) --- doing that was going "All The Way Fool." The readers liked that too, and many (including myself) often felt that going All The Way Fool was our only shot at getting a handle on some of this.
The other phrase invention for the blog was when I would tell them that they were about to read no-holds-barred theories (letting it rip against all the conservative eggheads were claiming) --- doing that was going "All The Way Fool." The readers liked that too, and many (including myself) often felt that going All The Way Fool was our only shot at getting a handle on some of this.
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Nice. I have Married 2 women from New Martinsville, WV. Divorced the first and met the 2nd at a local gas station. She grew up 7 houses away from my first inlaws. Strange doesn't really cover it. I now live in New Martinsville. I work the local Pipeline. I grew up In Ohio about an hour and a half north. I have in-laws that currently live 'Out Proctor'.
I usually visit on the holidays.... Roseland is a destination I haven't experienced yet... and just recently learned of that place. Odd lil fraternity... Wrong Turn the movie was based on some out this way....
from what I've been told.
I'm sure you would know of the Goddards.
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Have you guys read up on the Skinwalker ranch case?
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Circa: three of my brothers played ball, mainly football I believe with Goddards. Some of those guys were pretty good.
ST: The Skinwalker Ranch story is quite complicated. I don't want to tell the whole tale (Colm Kelleher's book should be picked up for that.) I knew Colm pretty well during the time that he was administering the test projects that Bigelow wanted done out there. I always felt that Colm was a good guy and a straight shooter. Can't vouch for the others who worked the site.
ST: The Skinwalker Ranch story is quite complicated. I don't want to tell the whole tale (Colm Kelleher's book should be picked up for that.) I knew Colm pretty well during the time that he was administering the test projects that Bigelow wanted done out there. I always felt that Colm was a good guy and a straight shooter. Can't vouch for the others who worked the site.
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Bookmarked your blog to revisit later - not often you can find respectable well vetted content like that! Thanks for doing that over the years. On the Flatwoods notes - my main takeaway that you must really like Honey Brown Lager!
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Google The Big study.
The formal address is thebiggeststudy.blogspot.com
The formal address is thebiggeststudy.blogspot.com
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Things aren't going well for my friend in hospital (pretty grim on the ability to breathe issue of lung cancer) so I decided to try to lighten up life a bit and watch the last episode of Project Blue Book.
It didn't work. That episode was so bad in terms of near character-assassination of famous people in the field, that it was next to disgusting to watch. But here's what really is documented from the USAF own files anyway:
A. The Lubbock Lights happened --- at least 7 times over about a week's run.
B. Plovers were suggested by a person here and there who didn't see them. Other experienced bird watchers said that although plovers DO migrate in roughly "V" flying patterns, they are nowhere near rigid and you can hear them at their relatively low altitude. It was not a Texas Tech professor who took the pictures nor suggested the bird idea originally.
C. One set of pictures was taken by a fellow named Carl Hart. The USAF took those (didn't keep them; I have good copies) but could not use them to identify anything.
D. Ed Ruppelt (Michael Quinn) DID investigate this. Allen Hynek was not employed.
E. Four Texas Tech science and engineering profs had a sighting and got interested. They were contacted by Blue Book both personally and via correspondence. They initially were quite excited and got into the press. They soon wished they hadn't and began backing off their interest, ultimately privately bailing out to Ruppelt saying that they'd solved the case --- it's reported in the literature that their private opinion was that it was "ducks" (ducks or plovers relatively the same idea --- the fact that the leader of these profs had the last name "Ducker" makes this doubly peculiar.) Their actual claim to Ruppelt, shown only in a marginal note by the good Captain in his files is that they really claimed it was "moths." An academic will do anything to run away from a forbidden subject.
F. Also hidden in Ruppelt's files is a communication from a different TT prof named R.S. Underwood, a math prof. Both he and his father-in-law were interested. They set up a deal where if one saw the things he would call the other who would immediately go out and look --- both noting time and direction. For once something good happened, and they connected. Underwood did the triangulation math, using he said conservative estimates. The triangulations gave an altitude from which the velocity could be estimated: 700mph --- pretty fast moths (or plovers.) He felt that his altitude was very good (a little over 2000 feet, but his speed calculation was harder. To him 700mph was the low answer. It continues to boggle me that Underwood's data are almost totally ignored in Lubbock discussions. I'll admit that I'm almost the only one who has read his letter to Ruppelt, but, he!l, I've tried several times to get it out there.
G. adding a BIG dollop of mystery to this is a separate document in the Blue Book records, which they conveniently refused to ever inform anyone about, about two witnesses who reported an unknown daylight flying wing type object on the same date as the major night-time Lubbock episode. Put lights on this thing and it looks exactly like Hart's pictures. Our famous Flying Wings were not flying then, by the way --- records on them are very good.
A couple of thumbs-downs on the episode: no such effects on cars have ever been noted --- lots of engine stoppages but not metal deformation. No witness has ever had remnant static electricity "in" them. Mimi was neither a lightweight nor did she have lesbian leanings. Major Donald Keyhoe was a tough straight up guy who never paid anyone off for a story --- he worked for TRUE at the time and they may have offered money but not Keyhoe. Trying to intimidate him would have blown up big time (a personal friend was ex-CIA director Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter, and chief of USN weapons development Admiral Delmar Fahrney, plus Lindberg.) --- Ruppelt was happily married and no run-around --- the run-around in his project group was a hail-fellow-well-met named Lt. Robert Olsson. Almost the only things Olsson remembered clearly during his Oral History filming were the girls that he and some of the other guys dated on some field trips.
That's enough --- the Lubbock Lights remain unidentified and look suspiciously like a huge flying wing machine. If they were ours, there are no records of whatever that project was --- available to us anyway.
It didn't work. That episode was so bad in terms of near character-assassination of famous people in the field, that it was next to disgusting to watch. But here's what really is documented from the USAF own files anyway:
A. The Lubbock Lights happened --- at least 7 times over about a week's run.
B. Plovers were suggested by a person here and there who didn't see them. Other experienced bird watchers said that although plovers DO migrate in roughly "V" flying patterns, they are nowhere near rigid and you can hear them at their relatively low altitude. It was not a Texas Tech professor who took the pictures nor suggested the bird idea originally.
C. One set of pictures was taken by a fellow named Carl Hart. The USAF took those (didn't keep them; I have good copies) but could not use them to identify anything.
D. Ed Ruppelt (Michael Quinn) DID investigate this. Allen Hynek was not employed.
E. Four Texas Tech science and engineering profs had a sighting and got interested. They were contacted by Blue Book both personally and via correspondence. They initially were quite excited and got into the press. They soon wished they hadn't and began backing off their interest, ultimately privately bailing out to Ruppelt saying that they'd solved the case --- it's reported in the literature that their private opinion was that it was "ducks" (ducks or plovers relatively the same idea --- the fact that the leader of these profs had the last name "Ducker" makes this doubly peculiar.) Their actual claim to Ruppelt, shown only in a marginal note by the good Captain in his files is that they really claimed it was "moths." An academic will do anything to run away from a forbidden subject.
F. Also hidden in Ruppelt's files is a communication from a different TT prof named R.S. Underwood, a math prof. Both he and his father-in-law were interested. They set up a deal where if one saw the things he would call the other who would immediately go out and look --- both noting time and direction. For once something good happened, and they connected. Underwood did the triangulation math, using he said conservative estimates. The triangulations gave an altitude from which the velocity could be estimated: 700mph --- pretty fast moths (or plovers.) He felt that his altitude was very good (a little over 2000 feet, but his speed calculation was harder. To him 700mph was the low answer. It continues to boggle me that Underwood's data are almost totally ignored in Lubbock discussions. I'll admit that I'm almost the only one who has read his letter to Ruppelt, but, he!l, I've tried several times to get it out there.
G. adding a BIG dollop of mystery to this is a separate document in the Blue Book records, which they conveniently refused to ever inform anyone about, about two witnesses who reported an unknown daylight flying wing type object on the same date as the major night-time Lubbock episode. Put lights on this thing and it looks exactly like Hart's pictures. Our famous Flying Wings were not flying then, by the way --- records on them are very good.
A couple of thumbs-downs on the episode: no such effects on cars have ever been noted --- lots of engine stoppages but not metal deformation. No witness has ever had remnant static electricity "in" them. Mimi was neither a lightweight nor did she have lesbian leanings. Major Donald Keyhoe was a tough straight up guy who never paid anyone off for a story --- he worked for TRUE at the time and they may have offered money but not Keyhoe. Trying to intimidate him would have blown up big time (a personal friend was ex-CIA director Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter, and chief of USN weapons development Admiral Delmar Fahrney, plus Lindberg.) --- Ruppelt was happily married and no run-around --- the run-around in his project group was a hail-fellow-well-met named Lt. Robert Olsson. Almost the only things Olsson remembered clearly during his Oral History filming were the girls that he and some of the other guys dated on some field trips.
That's enough --- the Lubbock Lights remain unidentified and look suspiciously like a huge flying wing machine. If they were ours, there are no records of whatever that project was --- available to us anyway.
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700mph was insanely fast for the 1950s, correct?
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The first jet to break the 700mph barrier was flown over the Salton Sea test range in California in November of 1952. It was a USAF F-86 Sabre jet.
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‘Wow, What Is That?’ Navy Pilots Report Unexplained Flying Objects (NY Times, May 26,2019)
Navy Pilots Are Seeing UFOs on an Almost Daily Basis: Report
Navy Pilots Are Seeing UFOs on an Almost Daily Basis: Report
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Maybe Trump’s Space Force idea wasn’t such a nutty thing after all? Half italics...
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I'm telling you guys... the influx of legitimate reports on unexplained phenomena related to space and UFOs is happening for a reason. We are getting open comments and legitimate news articles on events that never would have hit the public radar so quickly in the past, and they wouldn't have come out in such mainstream ways.
They know something is coming... they're grooming everyone with controlled disclosure in order to avoid panic when it hits the fan.
They know something is coming... they're grooming everyone with controlled disclosure in order to avoid panic when it hits the fan.
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UFO incident concentrations have never been worldwide at any era. "Flaps" occur, always somewhat geographically restricted. Specific flaps have limited themselves to the US, to Europe, to northern South America, to Australia/Tasmania, even to Antarctica. Some flaps are very localized; some smeared out.
This recent Navy stuff isn't even what we in the business would call a Flap. It is a series of very striking high credibility military sightings, which somehow are freely leaking out. The old Project Blue Book (then called SIGN or Grudge in 1947-1951) had all sorts of similar things reported by pilots to the USAF. (concentrations of incidents around White Sands/Alamagordo --- the scientists there set up their own reporting system --- nicknamed themselves "The Bird Watchers" , Oak Ridge, Hanford, Korea etc.) These incidents happened so often that the Chief of Intelligence of the Air Force had to issue a binding directive to ALL services as to how to handle reporting them. This directive had serious punishments specifically stated for violating this. If anyone doubts these statements, just get my and Robert Powell's book, UFOs and Government, it's in over 150 academic libraries the last I heard three years ago.
The breakthrough leakage in these recent encounters came partly because this CIA guy Elizondo got released from his project as it was (allegedly anyway) defunded. This allowed a pilot (Fravor) to leak his encounter. Robert Powell was on this before the hullaballoo began in the press, and he and his team have written a 270pp report, and spoke about it to the Huntsville AL rocket base personnel among other invitees (I couldn't make it because of my housemate's cancer and just me being old, but Robert and about 20 others will be here in Kalamazoo in three days for a weekend UFO "retreat" at my house.)
These cases are the real deal. We in the UFO study business have lots of such unexplainable cases and have had them for years. It is the moronic sociology of this country and academia which blocks our field of study from even getting an open listen. I have case files containing over a thousand incidents at least hundreds of which I defy any non-moron to give reasonable explanations for which do not involve technology beyond our current abilities.
But that's who "we" are. I am looking forward to a weekend talking with non-morons.
This recent Navy stuff isn't even what we in the business would call a Flap. It is a series of very striking high credibility military sightings, which somehow are freely leaking out. The old Project Blue Book (then called SIGN or Grudge in 1947-1951) had all sorts of similar things reported by pilots to the USAF. (concentrations of incidents around White Sands/Alamagordo --- the scientists there set up their own reporting system --- nicknamed themselves "The Bird Watchers" , Oak Ridge, Hanford, Korea etc.) These incidents happened so often that the Chief of Intelligence of the Air Force had to issue a binding directive to ALL services as to how to handle reporting them. This directive had serious punishments specifically stated for violating this. If anyone doubts these statements, just get my and Robert Powell's book, UFOs and Government, it's in over 150 academic libraries the last I heard three years ago.
The breakthrough leakage in these recent encounters came partly because this CIA guy Elizondo got released from his project as it was (allegedly anyway) defunded. This allowed a pilot (Fravor) to leak his encounter. Robert Powell was on this before the hullaballoo began in the press, and he and his team have written a 270pp report, and spoke about it to the Huntsville AL rocket base personnel among other invitees (I couldn't make it because of my housemate's cancer and just me being old, but Robert and about 20 others will be here in Kalamazoo in three days for a weekend UFO "retreat" at my house.)
These cases are the real deal. We in the UFO study business have lots of such unexplainable cases and have had them for years. It is the moronic sociology of this country and academia which blocks our field of study from even getting an open listen. I have case files containing over a thousand incidents at least hundreds of which I defy any non-moron to give reasonable explanations for which do not involve technology beyond our current abilities.
But that's who "we" are. I am looking forward to a weekend talking with non-morons.
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I would strongly recommend OMM’s book, UFOs and Government, for anyone interested in a serious look at the way governments and primarily our government has dealt with the UFO phenomenon.
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What's your thoughts on why these tend to be "geographically restricted"?