Trump Presidency

[Cackalacky2.0]

I believe that Democrats have played similar procedural games during the last couple Republican presidential victories. Are they traitors as well?

This wasnt a procedural game. I'll refer you to Romneys speech last night.

FIN

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

So the new lie is Antifa did they seige. That blockhead Gaetz first stated this in his objection last night and now this guy as well. These traitors cannot be helped. This disinformation is so awful. Sad thing is people will believe it and they will run with it.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is a betrayal of the truth from one of the seditionists who betrayed our Constitution. You, <a href="https://twitter.com/RepMoBrooks?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RepMoBrooks</a>, helped radicalize yesterday’s terrorists. We will not let you cover your tracks with this nonsense. <a href="https://t.co/6trrdrTJ8m">https://t.co/6trrdrTJ8m</a></p>— Rep. Eric Swalwell (@RepSwalwell) <a href="https://twitter.com/RepSwalwell/status/1347189395900817409?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 7, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[notredomer23]

So the new lie is Antifa did they seige. That blockhead Gaetz first stated this in his objection last night and now this guy as well. These traitors cannot be helped. This disinformation is so awful. Sad thing is people will believe it and they will run with it.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is a betrayal of the truth from one of the seditionists who betrayed our Constitution. You, <a href="https://twitter.com/RepMoBrooks?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RepMoBrooks</a>, helped radicalize yesterday’s terrorists. We will not let you cover your tracks with this nonsense. <a href="https://t.co/6trrdrTJ8m">https://t.co/6trrdrTJ8m</a></p>— Rep. Eric Swalwell (@RepSwalwell) <a href="https://twitter.com/RepSwalwell/status/1347189395900817409?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 7, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Thankfully, most the idiots have already been identified and turns out that shockingly, they are mostly QAnoners.

 

[NorthDakota]

How many Dem senators or house reps voted against certifying?

Not sure on the numbers, but this is something that happens. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/think/amp/ncna1252873

So yeah, it's pretty silly overall, but I don't see how it's really a problem beyond being kinda dumb.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

https://thedispatch.com/p/impeach-donald-trump-remove-him-and

Impeach, convict, remove, bar this mother F*cker. Arrest the assholes who stormed the Capital building (many of whom stole shit).

This news isn't about BLM so STFU about that topic.

This type of overtaking of a DC Federal building hasn't happened in over 200 years. We spend hundreds of millions of dollars per year on defense and trillions on ridiculous wars, but these jackasses were allowed to waltz into the Capital building during a confirmation vote and disrupt it without any pushback or harsh consequences!? Are you kidding me?!

A-N-Y-O-N-E who supports Trump or any other GOP hack who stood along beside him before/during/after this mess is a problem to this country. Period. If you have a problem with that, get bent.

 

[notredomer23]

Not sure on the numbers, but this is something that happens. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/think/amp/ncna1252873

So yeah, it's pretty silly overall, but I don't see how it's really a problem beyond being kinda dumb.

Because it gives credence to the lie that there was widespread election fraud. It doesn't matter if every senator or congressman says it is because so and so state violated their constitution or whatever, when the president continues to perpetuate false claim after false claim. His supporters won't hear that Pennsylvania violated their constitution, they will hear that Dominion voting software was switching votes. This is a uniquely different electoral process than any other year given the widespread disinformation out there.

 

[IrishLax]

What exactly did he do? I may not be up to speed. And don't say he didn't condemn them and tell them to stop and leave because I saw that already.

He also praised them and encouraged them to keep going, which is why they had to remove those videos and shut down his social media presence on all platforms.

He and his cohorts have been calling for this for a month. They've asked for a use of force, repeatedly. Yesterday morning Giuliani got on stage and called for action and a "trial by combat." Etc. etc. And then when it was happening, he refused to send in the National Guard to stop it despite a request by DC. Ultimately, the order reportedly came from Pence... which who knows if that's even constitutional, but it was the only way to get things under control.

So what did he do? If the argument is "he let it happen", not only Joe Biden but the entire left was dead SILENT for 3 months and they never tried to stop it until it was obvious that it was hurting their approval.

So let me know what he did that Biden hasn't already did. Then I'll answer your question and ask you if Biden should be removed from consideration as well.

This is an outright lie. Biden repeatedly and publicly condemned violence, and did so immediately. In May he penned a long essay condemning violence -- https://medium.com/@JoeBiden/we-are-a-nation-furious-at-injustice-9dcffd81978f -- and gave public statements on Twitter and elsewhere calling for a stop to violence.

In early June, he gave a speech where he said in part:

here’s no place for violence, no place for looting or destroying property or burning churches or destroying businesses […] we need to distinguish between legitimate peaceful protest and opportunistic violent destruction

And he continued giving speeches and statements to this effect all throughout the summer. I don't know what news you are consuming where they don't show you these facts, but don't believe everything you read from liars and grifters.

I'd like you to acknowledge that you were misinformed on Biden and the BLM protests or if you're just trolling.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

The @GOP is at a crossroads IMO. They have to decide is Trumpism the way forward or is there a centrist non-fascist position that is feasible.

IMO its a split party right now where the moderate Rs will have to choose to go independent or join the Trumpers. I dont think what a Republican actually is now is even very clear anymore. The dead horses they like to kick while Dems are in control have ALL been exposed as bullshit by Trump. They do have one thing in common... they arent interested in governing.

The GOP as presently constituted is totally incoherent. It was already coming apart at the seams four years ago, which is how Trump got elected in the first place. It's going to have to die and be replaced by something else before we return to some semblance of political stability again. I have no idea how long that'll take, but it's likely to be a painful transition. Things will get worse before they get better.

 

[Legacy]

The entire Michigan Representatives subject to threats to their safety ondemned the mob with some saying this:

U.S. Rep. Bill Huizenga, R-Zeeland (2nd District):

“We were ready, people were grabbing stuff getting ready to defend ourselves,” Huizenga said in an interview. “The irony is is that most of the people that were lining up, standing there ready to do that are supporters of the president, ready to try to battle back supporters of the president. That was a sad irony right there.”

U.S. Rep. Peter Meijer, R-Grand Rapid (3rd District):

“I share concerns about election integrity, but we have a legal process to deal with disputes,” Meijer said in an interview. “What we saw today was a subversion of that legal process, and it was an attempt to overthrow the workings of the U.S. government, the legislative branch. His comments to date have been woefully inadequate. He needs to not just strongly condemn the violence, not just tell people go home, but also recognize and acknowledge Biden as president-elect.”

“Like Hell, if I’m going to be intimidated by a bunch of violent mobs,” Meijer said.

U.S. Rep. John Moolenaar, R-Midland (4th District)

“Today’s violent and disgraceful demonstrations at the Capitol have no place in our society,” Moolenaar said in a statement. “The protesters who breached the Capitol today violated the rule of law and brought violence to a place where we have gathered for centuries to peacefully debate the issues facing our nation.”

“This was a direct attack on the free society we are blessed to live in and all those who participated in unlawful activities should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.”

U.S. Rep. Dan Kildee, D-Flint (5th District)

“This is today’s Republican Party—the party that professes “law and order” and claims to support our men and women in law enforcement. Congress will not be intimidated by mob rule. The 2020 election is over—and we will do our job today to certify the electoral votes.”

U.S. Rep. Fred Upton, R-St. Joseph (6th District):

“We are the beacon of democracy; we are known for a peaceful transition of power from one administration to the next, and this is going to be Trump’s legacy,” Upton said in an interview. “It’s not going to be the economy. It’s going to be how he passed the torch, and it’s not going to be good.”

Upton appealed to Trump, “for the sake of our nation and safety of our people,” to tell his supporters to leave Washington D.C.

“Horrified and shell-shocked by the violence of rioters trying to undo the constitutional transfer of power,” Upton said in a statement.

U.S. Rep. Tim Walberg, R-Tipton (7th District):

“Today, the symbolic foundation of our country was attacked by violent and destructive actions,” Walberg said in a statement. “I strongly condemn this reprehensible behavior and call for all violence to cease immediately.”

“Everyone who illegally breached U.S. Capitol grounds should be held fully accountable for their lawlessness. In a free society, we must debate our differences peacefully and through legal channels, just as was taking place on the floor of the House—never resorting to threats of violence. I am deeply grateful to the men and women of law enforcement who protect the U.S. Capitol and kept us safe from danger.”

U.S. Rep. Elissa Slotkin, D-Holly (8th District):

“I think it takes, unfortunately, an egregious act like this for many people to realize that you have to make the call, you have to make a decision on how you want your country to proceed,” she said. “And that what we’re seeing right now is not what anyone wants for the United States of America.”

U.S. Rep. Lisa McClain, R-Bruce Township (10th District):

“These vile acts are a slap in the face to peace-loving Americans. As the sun sets in Washington, I truly hope that we awaken tomorrow as a more unified nation that will never again allow such darkness to rear its ugly head. We are all Americans – first and foremost. A sincere thank you to all law enforcement officers, they are the heroes of today. God Bless America.”

U.S. Rep. Haley Stevens, D-Rochester Hills (11th District):

“It was nothing short of an attack on our democracy, and it was a result of failed leadership,” Stevens said. “So many lives were out in danger today because of the president’s words, stoking hatred and violence. This must be a wake-up call. We must find a way to overcome this and unite.”

U.S. Rep. Debbie Dingell, D-Dearborn (12th District)
:

“This isn’t the America I know,” she said in a statement. “Shots have been fired. Bombs have been found. Tear gas has been used in the Capitol. And people, including Capitol Police, have been hurt.”

U.S. Rep. Brenda Lawrence, D-Southfield (14th District):

Lawrence issued a statement condemning Trump and his allies “for enabling this dangerous, disgraceful behavior. She said Congress will not be stopped from upholding its constitutional duty.

“We will rise above this, and democracy will win,” she said.

And Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer:

“What is unfolding today in our nation’s capital is truly appalling. Violence, vandalism, and insurrection have no place in this great country of ours. We are a nation of laws, not mobs,” Whitmer said in a statement.

From: Michigan representatives denounce attack on U.S. Capitol by pro-Trump mob

 

[BleedBlueGold]

The GOP as presently constituted is totally incoherent. It was already coming apart at the seams four years ago, which is how Trump got elected in the first place. It's going to have to die and be replaced by something else before we return to some semblance of political stability again. I have no idea how long that'll take, but it's likely to be a painful transition. Things will get worse before they get better.

Birth of a four party system perhaps? Trump's party vs Romney's party vs Biden's party vs The Squad's party.

Not to discredit any other formal party, but the overwhelming majority of voters in this country choose Republican or Democrat. Neither of those parties truly exist anymore as a majority, imo.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Birth of a four party system perhaps? Trump's party vs Romney's party vs Biden's party vs The Squad's party.

Not to discredit any other formal party, but the overwhelming majority of voters in this country choose Republican or Democrat. Neither of those parties truly exist anymore as a majority, imo.

Our "first past the post" voting system ensures that only two major parties can exist. We'd have to change the way we vote in order to get something closer to a parliamentary system; and I honestly don't think most Americans would want one anyway.

 

[NorthDakota]

https://thedispatch.com/p/impeach-donald-trump-remove-him-and

Impeach, convict, remove, bar this mother F*cker. Arrest the assholes who stormed the Capital building (many of whom stole shit).

This news isn't about BLM so STFU about that topic.

This type of overtaking of a DC Federal building hasn't happened in over 200 years. We spend hundreds of millions of dollars per year on defense and trillions on ridiculous wars, but these jackasses were allowed to waltz into the Capital building during a confirmation vote and disrupt it without any pushback or harsh consequences!? Are you kidding me?!

A-N-Y-O-N-E who supports Trump or any other GOP hack who stood along beside him before/during/after this mess is a problem to this country. Period. If you have a problem with that, get bent.

Can argue it's very much so related. The overall message people received this summer was that political rioting is tolerated.

We don't know what the consequences will be, there is an awful lot of video and i imagine the Feds are going to be trying to put down a marker here letting folks know they aren't going to just let it go.

Because it gives credence to the lie that there was widespread election fraud. It doesn't matter if every senator or congressman says it is because so and so state violated their constitution or whatever, when the president continues to perpetuate false claim after false claim. His supporters won't hear that Pennsylvania violated their constitution, they will hear that Dominion voting software was switching votes. This is a uniquely different electoral process than any other year given the widespread disinformation out there.

It sounds like you are saying "its okay when Democrat senators do it because i agree with the concerns but the Republican senators shouldn't be allowed to do a similar thing when they have concerns." Thats again, too easy to get around.

 

[TorontoGold]

Not sure on the numbers, but this is something that happens. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/think/amp/ncna1252873

So yeah, it's pretty silly overall, but I don't see how it's really a problem beyond being kinda dumb.

Wait, so two Dem senators did this 20 years ago, one of those senators actually represented the state and not just the swing states needed for Trumps victory AND this is supposed to be the equivalent? Must have missed Barbara Boxer (tremendous in Curb Your Enthusiasm btw) saying it was a stolen election. Dude it's not even close.

 

[notredomer23]

It sounds like you are saying "its okay when Democrat senators do it because i agree with the concerns but the Republican senators shouldn't be allowed to do a similar thing when they have concerns." Thats again, too easy to get around.

Is there no difference between 1 or 2 members doing it as your example shows, compared to yesterday there was well over 100?

 

[Ndaccountant]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">45 percent of Republican voters support storming of Capitol building: poll <a href="https://t.co/oaInLL1PaH">https://t.co/oaInLL1PaH</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Newsweek?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Newsweek</a></p>— Jason Lemon (@JasonLemon) <a href="https://twitter.com/JasonLemon/status/1347181987455512576?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 7, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It's not the vast majority, but it's a shockingly large percentage. The hardcore Trump flank of the Republican party has embraced misinformation and a win-by-any-cost mentality. All they care about is their guy retaining power.

I am probably naïve here, but I actually wonder how much the emotional reaction this is having across the media makes people answer the question the way that they did. To wit, if the media thinks it's bad, then it must be good and vice versa.

I also think many on the right prefer small government not just because they want to pay lower taxes, but they have a fundamental distrust and loathe career politicians. So, to "take it to em and make'em hide" might not be such a bad thing in their eyes.

Not saying that is the right approach, but I don't think the issue is as black and white across party lines as what it really should be.

 

[mango4]

https://thedispatch.com/p/impeach-donald-trump-remove-him-and

Impeach, convict, remove, bar this mother F*cker. Arrest the assholes who stormed the Capital building (many of whom stole shit).

This news isn't about BLM so STFU about that topic.

This type of overtaking of a DC Federal building hasn't happened in over 200 years. We spend hundreds of millions of dollars per year on defense and trillions on ridiculous wars, but these jackasses were allowed to waltz into the Capital building during a confirmation vote and disrupt it without any pushback or harsh consequences!? Are you kidding me?!

A-N-Y-O-N-E who supports Trump or any other GOP hack who stood along beside him before/during/after this mess is a problem to this country. Period. If you have a problem with that, get bent.

There was 26 arrests on the Capitol grounds yesterday, 52 overall. How is that even possible? People broke into the office of Pelosi and walked out with items from her office. People were bragging about it, the New York Times has an article about a guy being let go after being photographed with an item from Pelosi's office. A guy walked out with the podium from the House and they just let him go! 400 BLM protestors were arrested in one night in DC this summer.

Everyone knew this was going to happen and they weren't prepared. How? Why did it take 3-4 hours to get support there?

What an utter failure.

 

[RDU Irish]

https://thedispatch.com/p/impeach-donald-trump-remove-him-and

Impeach, convict, remove, bar this mother F*cker. Arrest the assholes who stormed the Capital building (many of whom stole shit).

This news isn't about BLM so STFU about that topic.

This type of overtaking of a DC Federal building hasn't happened in over 200 years. We spend hundreds of millions of dollars per year on defense and trillions on ridiculous wars, but these jackasses were allowed to waltz into the Capital building during a confirmation vote and disrupt it without any pushback or harsh consequences!? Are you kidding me?!

A-N-Y-O-N-E who supports Trump or any other GOP hack who stood along beside him before/during/after this mess is a problem to this country. Period. If you have a problem with that, get bent.

Wait? Was it a violent siege or were they allowed to waltz right in? Which party was actively bailing out rioters again? I mean after so much of this clown show https://twitter.com/R0yalewcheese/status/1346921864963219456/photo/1 now riots are bad, m'kay? Reap what you sow.

And a quick history lesson - https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1047935416182235136

 

[RDU Irish]

He also praised them and encouraged them to keep going, which is why they had to remove those videos and shut down his social media presence on all platforms.

He and his cohorts have been calling for this for a month. They've asked for a use of force, repeatedly. Yesterday morning Giuliani got on stage and called for action and a "trial by combat." Etc. etc. And then when it was happening, he refused to send in the National Guard to stop it despite a request by DC. Ultimately, the order reportedly came from Pence... which who knows if that's even constitutional, but it was the only way to get things under control.



This is an outright lie. Biden repeatedly and publicly condemned violence, and did so immediately. In May he penned a long essay condemning violence -- https://medium.com/@JoeBiden/we-are-a-nation-furious-at-injustice-9dcffd81978f -- and gave public statements on Twitter and elsewhere calling for a stop to violence.

In early June, he gave a speech where he said in part:
And he continued giving speeches and statements to this effect all throughout the summer. I don't know what news you are consuming where they don't show you these facts, but don't believe everything you read from liars and grifters.

I'd like you to acknowledge that you were misinformed on Biden and the BLM protests or if you're just trolling.

Not Biden's fault nobody listens to him. If a tree falls in the woods and all.

Did Kamala raise money to bail out rioters/protesters or not?

 

[Rogue219]

Catching a Nazi feel kind of vibe from this photo.

 

[Rogue219]

This gem might be my favorite.

 

[mango4]

Hey the police actually did arrest someone last night! Oh, it was a member of the press and not someone that stormed the Capitol?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">...for those saying the police did nothing yesterday. Not entirely true : they arrested Washington Post journalists for filming protests <a href="https://t.co/AcX2sWBdrp">https://t.co/AcX2sWBdrp</a></p>— emily bell (@emilybell) <a href="https://twitter.com/emilybell/status/1347167998398885891?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 7, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Rogue219]

I guess no more class trips to DC for tours of the Capitol, right?

Talk about a soft target. I still have to take my fucking shoes off every time I go to get on an airplane.

So much to love about this country, yet so much to simply shake your head at and wonder "how fucking stupid is this?"

 

[drayer54]

I guess no more class trips to DC for tours of the Capitol, right?

Talk about a soft target. I still have to take my fucking shoes off every time I go to get on an airplane.

So much to love about this country, yet so much to simply shake your head at and wonder "how fucking stupid is this?"

I have a feeling whoever is in charge of the Capitol police has had a few meetings since yesterday and just got a sweet new budget.

 

[ab2cmiller]

A desecration of our democracy
By Jonathan Turley

https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/533084-a-desecration-of-our-democracy

The images of protesters scaling the walls of the Capitol and briefly occupying Congress will remain seared in our collective memories for decades. Some called it a riot. Others called it an insurrection. Whatever you call it, first and foremost it was a desecration.

The rioters desecrated the most sacred moment of our constitutional system: the moment when a nation of different parties, faiths and backgrounds comes together to recognize the next president — our next president. That is why it is too easy to treat this as an “insurrection” crisis. It is far, far more dangerous. It is a crisis of faith.

There were some truly dangerous people in this mix, agitators bringing pipe bombs and ropes. Groups like the Proud Boys and antifa have fulfilled these roles in violent riots on the left and right for years. However, the vast majority of protesters on Wednesday were nonviolent and nonthreatening. Indeed, if this was a real effort at insurrection, we can take great comfort that many of our homegrown revolutionaries came across as more Groucho Marx than Karl Marx. Those in the Capitol were spread across the spectrum, from mocking to menacing; you had various costumed characters but then guys in camo with suspicious backpacks. Yet the guy photographing himself with his feet on the desk of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi seemed more interested in Instagram than insurrection.

The ease with which protesters entered the Capitol was the most shocking aspect of an overwhelmingly shocking day. Despite reports in advance of plans to march on Capitol Hill, the Capitol police seemed undermanned and unprepared. Once inside, protesters seemed to have the run of the building. Many of them seemed as shocked as the members of Congress fleeing the House and Senate floors. This has happened before, although not to this extent. When I was a young congressional page, a protest by truckers led to one of the ornate Capitol doors being broken down, followed by a rampage through the halls of Congress.

The media immediately framed Wednesday’s disgraceful riot as unprecedented and unimaginable. Yet it was entirely all too imaginable. We have had four years of violent protests, including attacks on government buildings, members of Congress and symbols of our democracy. Former Attorney General William Barr was heavily criticized for clearing Lafayette Square last year after protesters seriously injured dozens of law enforcement officers, were injured or hospitalized themselves, burned a historic building, caused widespread property damage, and threatened to breach the White House complex. There were violent riots during the Trump inauguration, and a lethal attack on Republican congressmen playing softball. Indeed, this year began as last year ended, with attacks on federal buildings in Portland and other cities.

Many people viewed those violent protests against the police and the White House as “sedition,” including former Barr. I wrote previous columns criticizing such labeling of Black Lives Matter or antifa riots as sedition or terrorism. I view those labels as undermining free speech activities.

As with the Black Lives Matter protests, I do not believe most of Wednesday’s protesters were rioters, let alone part of an insurrection. As with the protests last year, some instigators clearly pushed for confrontations. Most, however, were there to express opposition to Congress’s certification of electoral votes in a presidential election they believe was stolen. I do not share that view — but it is the view of roughly 40 percent of Americans.

So if all of these people are not insurgents or terrorists, what are they? The answer is: They are faithless. We face a crisis of faith, not a crisis of revolution. Our Constitution is an article of faith. Indeed, this Republic was a leap of faith taken together by people of widely different backgrounds and beliefs. Yet a constitution, no matter how well crafted, is ineffectual if people lose faith in it or, equally important, in each other.

Our Madisonian system is designed to give everyone “skin in the game.” It is meant to bring factional interests to the surface. Unlike other systems that ignore such divisions, the Madisonian system forces those out into the open, in Congress, where they can be expressed and addressed. Systems that ignore such divisions explode from within, like so many of the earlier constitutions of France. Our system is based on a type of implosion in which those pressures are directed inwardly to Congress, where disparate factional interests can be converted into majoritarian compromises.

Wednesday’s violence is not what James Madison hoped for in the expression of factional interests in Congress; it was a bit too direct for a system based on representational democracy. However, that is precisely the point: The direct action taken reflects the same crisis of faith that was evident in Lafayette Park or on the streets of Portland. That is far more dangerous than a few agitators using a protest to commit mayhem. It is not anarchy but, rather, alienation that we should fear in our population.

For years, the public has shown a lack of trust and faith in our political system. There also is widespread rejection of the media, which once was a shared resource for information; the media has destroyed its credibility with years of openly biased coverage, including blackouts on stories deemed harmful to Democrats or the Biden family. And without faith in political leaders or the media, more than half of this country appears untethered from the political system. That detachment is a dangerous state for a participatory democracy.

We need to hold accountable those who committed violence in our Capitol. However, after we determine who stormed Congress and how they so easily succeeded in doing it, we have a far more difficult task to address. After all, an insurrection can simply be put down — but a desecration reveals something far more insidious and dangerous to a democracy.

 

[mango4]

Yep, not a cult at all

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/01/among-insurrectionists/617580/

What I do know, after spending hours sponging up Trumpist paranoia, conspiracism, and cultishness, is that this gathering was not merely an attempted coup but also a mass-delusion event, not something that can be explained adequately through the prism of politics. Its chaos was rooted in psychological and theological phenomena, intensified by eschatological anxiety. One man I interviewed this morning, a resident of Texas who said his name was Don Johnson (I did not trust this to be his name), told me that the country was coming apart, and that this dissolution presaged the End Times. “It’s all in the Bible,” he said. “Everything is predicted. Donald Trump is in the Bible. Get yourself ready.”

The conflation of Trump and Jesus was a common theme at the rally. “Give it up if you believe in Jesus!” a man yelled near me. People cheered. “Give it up if you believe in Donald Trump!” Louder cheers.

 

[Legacy]

A couple of opinion pieces from National Review authors:

A Dark Day in America
By JIM GERAGHTY
January 7, 2021 9:28 AM

The Trump Presidency’s Inevitable, Wretched End
By KEVIN D. WILLIAMSON
January 7, 2021 6:30 AM

More from the "enemies of the people" in MSM as are all our previous Presidents with their statements.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Can argue it's very much so related. The overall message people received this summer was that political rioting is tolerated.

We don't know what the consequences will be, there is an awful lot of video and i imagine the Feds are going to be trying to put down a marker here letting folks know they aren't going to just let it go.

No. The mainstream media "tolerated" the rioting on the premise of ratings (money) and it was clear as day that it was also tolerated because they believe their political ends justified the means. (They're wrong.) It doesn't make it right.

All I've heard the last 24 hours from Trump supporters is "yeah, but." You're all just as cowardice as the Dems who can't stand up to (and publicly support) the assholes on their side.

Wait? Was it a violent siege or were they allowed to waltz right in? Which party was actively bailing out rioters again? I mean after so much of this clown show https://twitter.com/R0yalewcheese/status/1346921864963219456/photo/1 now riots are bad, m'kay? Reap what you sow.

And a quick history lesson - https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1047935416182235136

All I hear is, "yeah, but" from this post.

And I didn't say "violent siege." The cops, to my surprise and chagrin, held strong until they couldn't. Once the barrier was broken, there are numerous videos of the police standing by, taking selfies, allowing this shit to happen.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I have a feeling whoever is in charge of the Capitol police has had a few meetings since yesterday and just got a sweet new budget.

I saw quip yesterday that made me laugh and sad at the same time. It was essentially:

"The most well-funded and supposedly secure building in DC minus the WH was taken within 2 hours by essentially moronic neandethals with spears. God help us if a legitimately trained force attempted to secure the building."

 

[Rogue219]

I have a feeling whoever is in charge of the Capitol police has had a few meetings since yesterday and just got a sweet new budget.

I was kind of hoping that person got fired.

 

[Rogue219]

My 88 year old grandmother told my mom last night they were not Trump supporters. Those were members of Antifa that stormed the building.

There's no going back from this. A large swab of our population now gets their information from talking raccoons that live behind the Walmart. Batshit craziness born of internet conspiracy theories. If some lady tries to sell you essential oils, run.

And if you are thinking of impeachment, here is a harsh reality for you:

The House isn't coming back into session until after the inauguration.

The Senate has adjourned until Jan. 19.

I guess they all need to go and fundraise more for the midterms.